Fungal sources other than mushroom compost?

[NamelessCitizen]

Mushroom compost is not available to me locally and I need a fungal source for teas that I'm going to be feeding with later on in flowering. What can I use in place of mushroom compost? Thanks

Nameless

 

[NamelessCitizen]

This is a copy and paste of the recipe I'm going to use. All of the ingredients and their measurements will stay the same, except for the mushroom compost.

Fungus Dominant (halfway through flowering) Recipe
* 1/2 cup Earthworm Castings *:
Good balance of nutrient (trace and secondary). Also a source for microbes and beneficial elements.
* 1/2 cup Mushroom Compost *:
This is fungus waiting to happen. A rich source of fungal spores and dense organic matter that fungi like to eat.
* Two tablespoons Powdered, 100% Natural rolled oats *:
Fungi love this nutrient and will deliver it to the plant roots.
* Two teaspoons Kelp Meal *:
I use kelp meal for several reasons. It’s organic matter that fungi like to attach themselves to. Fungi love kelp extracts as a primary food source and the rich trace elements and potassium it introduces
* 1/4 teaspoon Micronized (soft) Rock Phosphate *:
Fungus attaches to the rock phosphate and grow on it. Also a prime source of phosphorous, magnesium and sulfur.

The earthworm castings, mushroom compost, oatmeal, and kelp meal are first mixed together and made very wet. After fungus has grown on this blend, place it in your tea bubbler for 24 hours with some additional liquid (or water soluble) kelp/seaweed extract and Micronized (soft) rock phosphate.

Any ideas?

 

[jaykush]

you could collect natural fungi sources from natural lands. ive collected cultures from under some of the local trees with good results. i know theres a guide in the OFC ill have to find or unless you do.

 

[Suby]

Yeah man like my boy JK puts it nature is the best source of fungal and bacterial sampling.
I have tried a few fungal sampling and my best sampling have come from the forest floor as leaf mulch/humus, I've also tried the mulch/soil under evergrees it seems to work fine.
The main difficulty is that you can't be certain it worked unless you have it tested or the plants just seem alot better looking but officially it has to be tested, most EWC are guaranteed and analyzed for quality.
Those recipies will do a fine job but I prefer the alternate ones that are posted in the OFC, Vman has used these and reported great results, check his gallery.

S

 

[vonforne]

I cannot get any MC where I\m at now so I will go into the Wald (forest) and collect my own. We have a great amount of mushrooms that grow here and that is a clear indication on the fungal content of the soil structure.

As JK and Suby says......Nature at its best.

Coffee grounds and oatmeal with water works good or you could just use coffee grounds.

V

 

[jaykush]

ahh i knew some heads would back me up, suby, under natural mulches is a great place to capture cultures. its where ive done a few of mine for sure.

V man damn everytime i look at that it makes me feel weird. the blues, the whites, the brown crap like substances. at least the plants like it.

 

[Scay Beez]

NamelessCitizen: Mushroom compost is an ok soil additive and better for the compost pile, IMO. Mushroom growers use lots of pesticides to grow mushrooms because they have lots of pests problems so be careful where ya source it from. Mushrooms are a seasonal crop naturally and fungus gnats are part of the decomposition process. So when there's a nice wet plot of substrate on a hot dry summer day, you have a fungus gnat magnet. I've grown mushrooms several times and the leftover "mushroom compost" is not high in nutrients at all because the mushrooms have taken up all the goodies. Mushrooms and rubber trees are used to soak up bad things in the soil to restore land. They can both take up nuclear, oil, and other dangerous wastes and make land agriculturally stable again (mushrooms are amazing!).

Culturing local fungi like vonforne is doing is a great addition to compost tea or just to the pitcher after the tea is brewed. Fungi cannot multiply in a tea but just grow in size. Small high pressure bubbles will rip them to shreds so adding them after the brew isn't a bad idea if your compost tea setup is less than perfect.

Some fungal food sources - humic acid, oatmeal, molasses, malt, seaweed, straw, most "meals" (alfalfa, cottonseed), cow and horse dung.

Remember majority of food/medicine crops are bacterial dominant. Everybody is under the impression because phosphorus is fixed by fungi that teas must be fungal during late flowering. This theory needs to be tested.


- sbz

 

[vonforne]

Remember majority of food/medicine crops are bacterial dominant. Everybody is under the impression because phosphorus is fixed by fungi that teas must be fungal during late flowering. This theory needs to be tested.

Good post sbz. That is exactly what I was working on. As soon as I get my grow area rebuilt I will continue my research in that area.

V

 

[Suby]

I agree, so far it's just a theory.
Bacteria are easier to breed and multiply than fungi because they outcompete fungi on almost every level.
Sugar source and other factors will determine which is the dominat species but bacteria consume fungal waste so if you have one then you have the other from my readings.
Even if we brew a full fungal tea it's naturally balanced to have both, it will never be one or the other no matter how and what you brew.

PS Vman great to see you back.

S

 

[NamelessCitizen]

I cannot get any MC where I\m at now so I will go into the Wald (forest) and collect my own. We have a great amount of mushrooms that grow here and that is a clear indication on the fungal content of the soil structure.

As JK and Suby says......Nature at its best.

Coffee grounds and oatmeal with water works good or you could just use coffee grounds.

V

Vonforne! That's your post that inspired me but I was kinda high when I typed my question and forgot about it

I'm smoking on some niiiiccce kb and I can see a little clearer now than on those middies... Oatmeal, coffee grounds and water - how much water? I can definitely do this! You guys ROCK!

Peace, love and nugs...
Nameless

 

[NamelessCitizen]

I agree, so far it's just a theory.
Bacteria are easier to breed and multiply than fungi because they outcompete fungi on almost every level.
Sugar source and other factors will determine which is the dominat species but bacteria consume fungal waste so if you have one then you have the other from my readings.
Even if we brew a full fungal tea it's naturally balanced to have both, it will never be one or the other no matter how and what you brew.

PS Vman great to see you back.

S

Suby! Your input is always welcome in my book. I have a couple recipes for bacterial/fungal teas that I'm going to experiment with as well. Making homemade cultured fungi just gives me one more reason to be hands-on in my grow.

Peace, love and nugs...
Nameless

 

[NamelessCitizen]

NamelessCitizen: Mushroom compost is an ok soil additive and better for the compost pile, IMO. Mushroom growers use lots of pesticides to grow mushrooms because they have lots of pests problems so be careful where ya source it from. Mushrooms are a seasonal crop naturally and fungus gnats are part of the decomposition process. So when there's a nice wet plot of substrate on a hot dry summer day, you have a fungus gnat magnet. I've grown mushrooms several times and the leftover "mushroom compost" is not high in nutrients at all because the mushrooms have taken up all the goodies. Mushrooms and rubber trees are used to soak up bad things in the soil to restore land. They can both take up nuclear, oil, and other dangerous wastes and make land agriculturally stable again (mushrooms are amazing!).

Culturing local fungi like vonforne is doing is a great addition to compost tea or just to the pitcher after the tea is brewed. Fungi cannot multiply in a tea but just grow in size. Small high pressure bubbles will rip them to shreds so adding them after the brew isn't a bad idea if your compost tea setup is less than perfect.

Some fungal food sources - humic acid, oatmeal, molasses, malt, seaweed, straw, most "meals" (alfalfa, cottonseed), cow and horse dung.

Remember majority of food/medicine crops are bacterial dominant. Everybody is under the impression because phosphorus is fixed by fungi that teas must be fungal during late flowering. This theory needs to be tested.


- sbz

My thanks goes out to you as well Scay Beez! Very good advice, very informed. All you guys are a wealth of knowledge. Thanks again!


Nameless

 

[MrFista]

I just get a bit of the soil from in the roots of some healthy lawn - about a teaspoon of it for each seedling. The trials I ran prove this works for me as the seedlings with a tsp of 'root soil' grow better and develop roots faster.

It really is that simple but a lot of people don't trust anything from their yard. And with root aphids etc I understand this.

I also add at this stage, or water in, a neem drench.

 

[Suby]

how come the same ideas are reiterated incessantly

just like my wife I`ll answer a ? with a ?

Why would you bump an old thread just to bitch about it...

If your trying to build you post count them take it somewhere else, contribute positively or STFU.

 

[Frank CadillaK]

Re:Fungal sources other than mushroom compost

Re:Fungal sources other than mushroom compost

If You are trying to add benificial organisms to you soil medium try Bacto ,it's awsome stuff!

Bacto :

This is the product i use in every stage off the cyclus of the plant.A combination off many fungi bacteria an ass a extra addition Trichoderma for young cuttings and seedlings,to protecr them from attacks from outside.Because this product is highly concentraded you can put a injection off usefull fungi bacteria and trichoderma.This combination gives every medium a boost aff usefull micro-organismes!

The majority of fungi and bacteria live in the soil. Bacto has especially been designed to stimulate the soil life that creates the best root environment

Bacto soil improvement bacteria free up phosphor bind nitrogen and recycle minerals from organic waste material. Selected strains of streptomyces bacteria and throchoderma fungi are stimulated by a natural cathalist called myconate. The combined working will enhance the health of your plants and the fertility of the soil.


Ingredienten;


Bascillus licheniformis
bacillus megaterium
bacillus poymyxa
bacillus subtilis
bacillus thuringiensis
actinomyceten:Streptomyces griseovirides
Trichoderma harzianum bodemschimmel


Bacto also contains:

solved humusextract from wich 17% humusacids
sugar(dextrose)
seaweed-extract(Ascophyllum nodosum)
Maltodextrine
gist extract
Myconate(van klaver)

This stuff is easally obtained and easally used.
I hope this could help!?

TC

FC

 

[quadracer]

I like to get my fungus from the backyard, if possible. There's a couple of easy methods to collect fungi, both have worked for me.

1) Pick the fruits. When it rains, it spores. Go collect the mushrooms that pop up around your yard and either throw them in your compost pile or throw them in your garden bed. I've noticed flushes in both my compost/garden bed after it rained and I tarped the piles.

2) Leave a bale of hay directly on the soil to decompose for a couple of months. The fungi will make its way up in the pile and take it over. A couple that have been left on my property has huge brown mushrooms flushing on the inside of the bales, even in the middle of summer.

I really can't wait 'til mushroom season, it's much more exciting than harvest, in many ways, despite the presence of poison oak.

 

[2stoge]

does all types of mushrooms work?

 

[2stoge]

my cousin has a lot of cows on his farm and whenever it rains their dung is always teaming with mushrooms.