Bug ID Please

[Capt. Crip]

I have a small colony(getting bigger) of bugs in my mother /clone room...

They can leave a leaf with little tiny black specks on the upper surface...The critters stay below...
They are more long than short and fat like a mite..They seem to have 2 body parts the rear being the biggest and in the shape of a long triangle....The front portion holds the head and legs of the critter....They start off basically clear and soon turn white as they grow...Then turn to a darker color cfor the adult stage looking kinda like a tiny knat...But I have not seen a flier,they can kinda hop though..

What the Fuck is my Critter?????

Thanks in advance....................................CC

Also,will NPStrips knock em' out???

 

[southwind]

a pic?

a pic?

Greetings;
As they say, a picture speaks a thousand words..
this could be a lot of insects, a positive ID almost requires a photo.
SW

 

[Core]

yea a pic would be great...got a link in my sig ..maybe you can find it there..take a look Capt.....you never know...

 

[southwind]

PRAISE THE POWER!

PRAISE THE POWER!

CORE!!!

WOW. WOW. WOW.

Now I have to say and praise you to the Nth degree ..THAT WAS ALOT OF FRIGGIN WORK YOU DID!!

Each and every one of those had to be edited to [insert hyperlink] didnt they?

Not only generous, but patient, knowing, and meticulous.

In the event someone has not thanked you for that much work before, I am taking the opportunity to thank you in advance now.

THANK YOU.

SW

yea a pic would be great...got a link in my sig ..maybe you can find it there..take a look Capt.....you never know...

 

[Core]

don't make me blush Southwind :smile:....but thanks for the appreciation !!....i should of done that along time ago with you, when you started the BOG reservation project.....you realy deserve kudo's for that !!
and yes i inserted them hyperlinks one by one...but with a nice joint in my hand it was not a 'BIG' efford :smile:
Thanks again Soutwind...and Congrazt again on being a HTC testgrower

 

[Whatever]

I have a small colony(getting bigger) of bugs in my mother /clone room...

They can leave a leaf with little tiny black specks on the upper surface...The critters stay below...
They are more long than short and fat like a mite..

What the Fuck is my Critter?????

Also,will NPStrips knock em' out???

They are thrips and yes the strips will knock em out very easily especially compared to mites. After 24 hours you should not see any more but I would do another strip treatment in about a week to kill any possible new hatchlings. Mainly they will drop into the soil/medium at a particular point, pupate then hatch mature with little wings. Much less often they will complete their life cycle above ground.

EDIT - they can be knocked back very easily with something simple like a pyrethrium spray or probably Organicide maybe? They are not very hardy and a weak natural insecticide will do serious damage to em. Back that up with a strip treatment and absolutely for sure they're toast...may not even need the strips but when it comes to pests I never mess around. Hit em hard and fast with at least 2 different treatments back-to-back.

 

[Whatever]

Oh yeah...forgot to mention spinosad, a natural insecticide derived from a particular bacteria is supposedly great for thrips. Reading anudder thread jogged me memory.

 

[BigMo]

Yuk Organicide stinks and did not get rid of my thrips if that is what they truly are. The Monterey Garden Spray with spinoside/Spinosad worked for me very quickly.

Good luck on your problem.

Mo,

 

[Whatever]

Yeah the Organocide stinks...lol. I've never used on plants but have organic grower friends that swear by the stuff..even for mites. I've heard others say not very effective.

 

[Capt. Crip]

Thanks for the responses fellas!!I do agree with the thrips call...Core,getting ready to check your bug thread and props to you for doing the thread...I'm sure it's helped a lot of people!!
Take care..............................CC

 

[DoobieDuck]

Captin...if you use sticky strips place them as close to the plants as possible but where the fan blows the least...they like less air flow area and will stick better. Wing of Thrip on resins..keep in mind this is a macro and thier wings are tiny..good luck....DD

 

[Whatever]

Also forgot about the sticky traps...doh! Supposedly you want the blue ones. Maybe has nothing to do with the yellow fuggus gnat strips but know EDIT-INSECTS (and not plants) see in infrared and are attracted to certain flowers due to their color. Doesn't really matter though cause the yellow and blues are the same price.

Doh...can't believe I said plants see in infrared...I get the moron of the day award...lol.

 

[buzzmobile]

Captin...if you use sticky strips place them as close to the plants as possible but where the fan blows the least...they like less air flow area and will stick better. Wing of Thrip on resins..keep in mind this is a macro and thier wings are tiny..good luck....DD

That is not a thrip wing. Looks more like a fungus gnat wing. Thrips have feathery bristle-like filaments for wings.

Spinosad is very effective at controlling them. Be sure to get thorough spray coverage for best results.

 

[DoobieDuck]

Thrip?

Thrip?

Well Buzz if that image of mine is not a Thrip wing then this is not a Thrip. You are so very correct..I looked up the Fungus Gnat and 100% positive ID...........So I have been wrong all this time...I hate being wrong! But the critters I have fly like gnats..very irradic flight..they are very small like gnats...the best part. if there is such a thing, the sticky fly paper roll strips I get at ACE work very well for them. Below is my now known fungus gnat critter on fly paper. Good luck again Captin...just trying to help...DD

 

[Whatever]

Regardless of what it is, the wing, that picture was great Doobieduck! For sure buds can also act like sticky traps collecting all kinds of stuff...lol.

FWIW I don't think that's a thrip. The wing is way too big in relation to the body size for one.

 

[southwind]

Whatever

Whatever

Whatever is most likely right as he is astute.

Those No Pest Strips are a GOD SEND!

SW

 

[Whatever]

Whatever is most likely right as he is astute.

Thanx...honestly it's just that I've dealt with thrips a lot...LOL. Lot's of thrips...they're wussies compared to mites IME ...and have dealt with mites more often actually.

I hate being wrong!

I just hate giving another grower bad/incorrect/misleading advice...and for sure have done that ...but I try

 

[sunnyside]

capt...my friend. Don't use nasty NPS. Go down and get some spinosad.



http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=61807&highlight=spinosad+kokua

I did this a year or so back...i had a bad problem with thrips at one point. It took me over a year to try find something that worked. I tried it all really. Pyrethrins, neem, soap, no pest strips (which didn't work at all, and are completely horrible for you), bombs, sprays, clove oils, etc...I even tried several (expensive) sets of beneficial insects...trying to stay organic. Nothing worked until I found spinosad. Two applications later, and I have still not seen a single thrips since.

 

[DoobieDuck]

Thanks sunnyside I'm going to try it as well. My sticky strips work but the hatches keep comming back. I'm next to be using it....DD

 

[Whatever]

no pest strips (which didn't work at all, and are completely horrible for you)

They can be nasty if not handled/used properly but have seen nothing but them totally wipe out thrips. One dose of Avid will pretty much do the same thing, unless you have larvae pupating in the medium, but that's like using a sledehammer to kill and ant. Considering the life cycle of thrips on the leaves is like 14+ days you're not paying attention if you don't catch em by the time they drop down into the medium.

I looked into Spinosad awhile back and seemed like good stuff. Here's basically a little info for peeps interested. Never used it thought but everyone seems to rave about it and thrips. It's a natural toxin as opposed to a synthetic toxin.

Spinosad (spinosyn A and spinosyn D) are a new chemical class of insecticides that are registered by the EPA to control a variety of insects. The active ingredient is derived from a naturally occurring soil dwelling bacterium called Saccharopolyspora spinosa, a rare actinomycete reportedly collected from soil in an abandoned rum distillery on a Caribbean Island in 1982 by a scientist on vacation[1] . It has not been found in nature since that time, and was subsequently described as a new species. The bacteria produces compounds (metabolites) while in a fermentation broth. The first fermentation-derived compound was formulated in 1988. Spinosad has since been formulated into insecticides that combine the efficacy of a synthetic insecticide with the benefits of a biological pest control organism.

Spinosad kills susceptible species by causing rapid excitation of the insect nervous system. Due to this unique mode of action, Spinosad is valued in resistance management programs. Spinosad must be ingested by the insect, therefore it has little effect on sucking insects and non-target predatory insects. Spinosad is relatively fast acting. The insect dies within 1 to 2 days after ingesting the active ingredient and there appears to be no recovery.