Your opnion is needed about ethics

[420247]

How can my opinion be anything but personal?
That's what makes it my personal opinion, right?
I can only speak about my own reasons and ethics, it is useless for me to speculate about someone else's.

I'm sorry I mean your personal business, selling your seed, Grat3fulh3ad Seed co. or whatever...

And no I have not looked into your vendor forum until today or yesterday, not much time to read yet...

Raco you never seemed to think I was an ass or a troll back on OG in the S&H forum there at least you never posted anything and were always nice to me... I was 420247101...

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

In retrospect, I guess you had no idea of any of the background info, and when I was responding to things hubcap said directly to me and about me, you assumed I was 'making it about me'... That seemed to be the post that pissed you off... your bad jumping to assumptions about my post, and my bad for jumping to assumptions about your obvious attitude toward me.

 

[420247]

I apologize...
You picked up hammering me so quickly after I posted my response to HUBCAP's personal attack, that I got it in my stoned mind that you had said one of the things he had said...
Sorry... mistaken identity due to chemdog inhalation...

No worries it happens

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

I'm sorry I mean your personal business, selling your seed, Grat3fulh3ad Seed co. or whatever....

But if the question is about seed company ethics, how I run my business and why have to come into play in my answers... Especially when I am responding to a post which made references to my business/business practices.

 

[420247]

In retrospect, I guess you had no idea of any of the background info, and when I was responding to things hubcap said directly to me and about me, you assumed I was 'making it about me'... That seemed to be the post that pissed you off... your bad jumping to assumptions about my post, and my bad for jumping to assumptions about your obvious attitude toward me.

I dont have an attitude with you, I just dont want the personal shit and my thread locked, ya dig?

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

I can assure you that no thread will be locked over any of my comments.

 

[420247]

I can assure you that no thread will be locked over any of my comments.

All you can do is control your words, and thats all I can ask, thank you for your posts, some, maybe not all, but some are a great help to me (in this thread I have not read all your posts), thank you...

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

I dont have an attitude with you, I just dont want the personal shit and my thread locked, ya dig?

I interpreted this as attitude...

Okay lets make the thread about you

Do you think you’re on the same level as the corn breeding bioengineers?

Sorry if I was mistaken.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

All you can do is control your words, and thats all I can ask, thank you for your posts, some, maybe not all, but some are a great help to me (in this thread I have not read all your posts), thank you...

Well... actually, I can Guarantee you that admin will not take any action over anything I've posted or am going to post.
Thank you as well.

 

[420247]

I interpreted this as attitude...
Sorry if I was mistaken.

Only because I interpreted you were making the thread about you... I dont want to do this dance anymore...

 

[Raco]

...

Raco you never seemed to think I was an ass or a troll back on OG in the S&H forum there at least you never posted anything and were always nice to me... I was 420247101...

I remember you for you & head
no offence intended at all
my last 0.02:
I´m working with genetics donated by my 2 favourite breeders and good friends,charlie garcia & TomHill
What I do with them is up to me
Living in a place such as Spain....
do you really think that I´m going to release a single cut of this plant??

think about it....
money rules,not karma

 

[420247]

I remember you for you & head
no offence intended at all
my last 0.02:
I´m working with genetics donated by my 2 favourite breeders and good friends,charlie garcia & TomHill
What I do with them is up to me
Living in a place such as Spain....
do you really think that I´m going to release a single cut of this plant??

think about it....
money rules,not karma

Beautiful as always

"money rules,not karma"
I'll be hiding in my dream land then LOL

 

[Gert Lush]

The way I see it, the only "ethics" involved here are the ethics of a bunch of monkeys (humans :wink who have seen fit to make a beneficial herb ILLEGAL, reducing our whole species to a bunch of fools Jonathan Swift could only imagine when he described Laputa!

Seeds are contraband in most countries, and even where they're legal, their means of production is not. Even a small-scale hacker is risking quite a lot to produce seeds, never mind a breeder who has to relocate to a different country and even then is still not guaranteed their security... Forget the huge outlay needed to start off... Want to breed real sativas in the tropics? Then you'd best have a sackful of money to bribe corrupt officials and gawdonlyknows what you're going to do about the local (un)friendly guerillas! The TIME, omg... Who's going to breed 16+ week sativas? Seen any on the current market?
Indoors? How many kWh for 10000 plants? How much for the lamps? The extraction? The premises? The lawyer fund?

Add to that the fact that the cannabis community, like any other, has its fair share of fools, bling-worshipers and brand-idolizers. What are they called again? Ah, yes, consumers! Canna may be "sacred" to a few, but for the majority it's just a way to get messed up.

Now, when canna is legal, then we'll see some real breeding! Selection from tens if not hundreds of thousands. Low prices. Real boutique stuff.

As long as it's illegal, it will - by definition - bring the ethics of illegality with it. So long as it stays that way, I'll never judge anyone, no matter how good/crap their product and no matter how low/high the price.

No way round that, that I can see, except the underground canna-connoisseur scene, which, thankfully, is thriving. You never hear any complaints from that sector do you?
I wonder why?

Other than that, it's a consumer scene and the usual laws of supply, demand and perceived value apply.

 

[Gert Lush]

And to summarise all the above rant in a couple of words, 420247, I guess for those people that are intimately involved with canna scene, the "ethical" issue on seed prices just doesn't arise...

 

[DocLeaf]

the market is always reflective of demand!

 

[l33t]

...And demand is unfortunately mostly driven by successful marketing techniques and not product quality

 

[barletta]

Yeah, more people demand that the seed co owner's hang with celebrities and dip their (fem only..)seeds in colored goo. Now it doesn't cost $200 when Arjan bumps over a jar of seeds, cause now we know which is which...

"Franco, might I sheee yoush in heeeere for sha moment???"

Really though, 80% of (all) people buy the sizzle, not the steak. I closed the same percentage (~30) of hyundai buyers as subaru buyers as gmc buyers.....

EDIT - MOST people who purchase veh's w/NAV don't know how to use it. Most salespeople can't show a customer how to use it. People have to have it. $1000 = $20/mo pmt (w/good credit) so nav costs people 20-40/month wo/ even turning it on.... I've seen (and pushed) countless nav units simply descrived to the cust for 3 or 4 minutes, thing never gets turned on, other than as a 'distraction'.

"It will tell you how to get home, and places of interest.....and it can find a dunkin or a 7-eleven..."

That's why American carmakers put SO much into the interior of the car, and so little thought/innovation into the mechanical aspects of the things. 80% of people buy Sizzle 80% of the time, and Steak 20% of the time. 20% of people buy steak 80% of the time and sizzle 20%.....

I love that fukkin 80/20 rule. It holds the mysteries of being....

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

...And demand is unfortunately mostly driven by successful marketing techniques and not product quality

Which is exactly why there are so many info-mercials hucking sub-par products that people don't need that consumers can never get to perform the way the product demonstrator could... And why they are so successful...

I wonder what percentage of our population uses a guide such as 'Consumer Reports' when making product purchases? I'd bet it is similar to the percentage of seed buyers who base their purchace on research/recommendation/experience instead of slick marketing...

 

[barletta]

Prolly ~20% does (and sticks to the conclusions drawn from) real research..

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

We need some sort of 'consumer satisfaction index'. Ultimately if the majority of customers are pleased with their purchase after harvest, then the seeds are priced well... If the majority of customers have buyer's remorse three weeks after harvest, then the seeds are a rip off... If someone could figure a way to spreadsheet the information from all the grow/smoke reports floating around about each different variety into such an index, I wonder what it would show... Probably nothing that savy consumers haven't already seen, but would be nice for the newer growers to reference...