Yield, the least favorite topic it seems??

[sophisto]

Alot of the other forums here seem to be much more focused with yield than any other factor of the plant, be it in growth or the final product.

It seems the general concensus here is that quality is more important than quantity. I couldnt agree more.. In this approach we spend alot of time talking about all kinds of topics that have more to do with creating great soil environments, healthy plants, and tasty, top shelf flowers.. The knowledge collected here in this forum is priceless, but let's hear about your yields???

We dont need to make this difficult. We can talk merely from our current experience with our own set-ups and our own strains. No unknown factors to contend with... I hate those threads that say what can you yield with organics.....Uhh yeh...LOL

LEts try it like this:
- Light wattage> 4, 6 or 1000 ????
- Yield per watt : Hypothetical with your biggest yielders? Strains???
- How many plants per sq ft.
- Training, pruning, or any other plant manipulation???
- Veg time?
- Plant height at initiation of 12/12??
- Finished canopy height ?
- Container size??
- Medium ?

Outdoor guys feel free to show off...LOL Big halide in the sky, cant beat it..


Curious as to what the potential is amongst us here...

 

[jaykush]

ive never known organics to be a low yielder. i know for sure outdoors + organic soil = FAT potent nugs. never grown indoors really. maybe when compared to some super fast hydro plants. ive had colas as big as baby's outdoors.

 

[Guest]

Yield is all about limiting factors. If you have everything dialed in with nutes, CO2, container size, etc but your light is too far away or your patch isnt sunny enough. At that time light is the limiting factor. Often with skilled indoor hydro or aero guys you see everything so dialed in that CO2 has to be added as it becomes the limiting factor. That makes it sound really easy to get big yields...jsut keep increasing each factor in increments. WRONG! Too much of anything in the absence of the others can cause problems. A fatal dose of nutes in a normal room could be a typical dose in a room with a sealed room and lights in cooltubes, added co2, and 95 deg temps. Chem ferts are like a sit down restaurant.....you decide exactly what is needed and you provide that and only that. With organics, its like a buffett, you put out everything and let the plant take what it needs. Because organics uses natural processes to provide this "nutrient buffett"(beneficial fungus and bacteria breaking down and making available) there is less risk of burning your plants or damaging them. ....im just rambling stoned, there is no purpose to this post i just wanted to give my opinion...sorry i couldnt answer your survey questions or whatever peace!

 

[toodles]

I grow indoors only and my goal has always been trying to grow healthy plants

I figure the more healthy and vigorous my plants are, the better the smoke will be. Yield is whatever it is.

Lately all I have grown is sativa/haze hybrids. And I believe it's pretty well established that indoor yields from strains like SuperSilverHaze aren't necessarily big under only 400 Watts like I have. And I'm still learning how to grow cannabis so that's another reason I probably don't get big yields. I do think I have this current grow of my SSH x SSH dialed in pretty good. I only have 3 plants again, so yield per watt won't be good. The plants are very healthy though so that's all I can do

SSH x SSH Day 33 of flower

I don't care too much as long as I get enuf to make me and my g/f happy. I don't sell weed. I think I am going to get a 600W light though. I should be able to improve yield considerably as long as I can manage the heat in my hut.

Good topic.

I may be new at this but I see so many new growers who are obsessed with yield And IMO this obsession leads them down the wrong path right from the gitgo. They think about all the wrong things initially. Instead of just keeping things simple and trying to grow healthy plants their first few times...they want someone to tell them a way to get 1-2 grams per watt their 1st grow. How many baseball players hit a home run first time at bat?

Toodles

LEts try it like this:
- Light wattage> 4, 6 or 1000 ???? 400
- Yield per watt : Hypothetical with your biggest yielders? Strains - How many plants per sq ft.[SSH 3 plants in Hydrohut mini ~9 sq ft 140 grams dry]
- Training, pruning, or any other plant manipulation???[lots of topping/pruning/training]
- Veg time? [about 30 days]
- Plant height at initiation of 12/12?? [ about 16"]
- Finished canopy height ? [54"]
- Container size?? [ 3gallon]
- Medium ? [LC#2 mix with slightly different amendmendments and more perlite]

 

[sophisto]

Ok wait a minute I never said or implied organics was low yielding.... I was mainly hoping to create a thread where we as growers could share and compare as to what we are getting as far as yield...
I think this could be a good thread where we could eventually learn from eachothers setups etc.....

For example Jiggy, 2 p's per light from Bubba K...Impressive...what was the veg time ??and how many plants under the light??? Also what size containers ??

Nice work..The colors on that bottom pic are insane....

 

[lilo]

Growing in soil is genrally the slowest method and the most difficult one if you're trying to come closer to even the simpliest of hydro like dwc in terms of yield. Roots will grow slower due to medium restrictions, nutrient uptake won't be as consistent. Coco medium solves much of those problems but then there's its cal/mag and potassium thing. As to the final product I can only see one advantage to organics that's more complex and pronounced bud smell/taste. I think the wining ticket is somewhere in combination of organic teas and mineral nutes with coco.

 

[MrFista]

Gram per watt once when I vegged for 6 weeks. Normally only .65 - .8 according to the external season temps and a 4 week veg.

Never tried for any record except having the best around - that is now a given - I've tried side by side with silver pearl bubblegum white widow and northern lights - not even close to this old sativa cross - more buds more potent and smoother.

Are these 'geneticists' deliberately breeding rubbish as they know no better having not tried a real old school strain?

I find it increasingly disturbing that the so called 'best' is not even close. Are the commercial seed growers polluting the planet with fruity smelling schwag or what?

 

[MrFista]

ps - I aint kidding - The gene pool mst be getting diluted severely with all these 'name brands' getting selected to be grown everywhere. Be ok if they lived up to the hype.

 

[knna]

Yields data offered by growers are notoriously variable and it does very difficult any comparision. Valid to take some references, but nothing else.

Years ago Cannastats did a wide survey about, but they found differences for same yield reported accounted up to 300% (3x more), due to different ways of manicuring and dryness and the tendency of many growers to exaggerate their yields (many times not on purpose).

Apart of it, any yield report should be related to the main limiting factors, light and CO2 used. As there are wide differences in efficiency from different bulbs, the only way to relate yield to light used in a meangliful way is by stating how many mols of photons are throwed to the grow, so differents setups may be comparable. And people are really reluctant to use uE to measure light.

Very difficult task then, but good luck on your survey!
knna

 

[lilo]

jiggywhompus I shall leave picture show pride all to you weather you agree with my views or not

knna, good thinking there

sophisto, it's about 0,7gpw per 1m2 400W organic scrog or sog in two 80l beds of dirt. Less if the strain is a low yielder.
I sometimes run dwc scrog with better results, shorter veg period and about 20%higher yield. Simply better growth rates for me.

I only jar calyxes, no stems or leaves. Takes long to trim, it's almost like separting calyxes one by one from the rest but it pays off with more pleasant smoke. A little less in weight but i don't really know for sure just how much less, never compared... a few percent, perhaps.

My outdoor organic plants grow much faster then anything organic or mineral indoors

 

[BurnOne]

Sophisto-
Great topic.
I guess we as organic growers, after we have found a source of powdered dolomite lime, are very satisfied. Very few problems except for pests like spidermites.
I guess that's why we don't talk much about yield.
I have a 5' X 5' room with 4 - 400W HPS lights. I have about 16 plants flowering in there and get about 2 ozs. from each plant. Not bad.
Burn1

 

[sophisto]

Sophisto-
Great topic.
I guess we as organic growers, after we have found a source of powdered dolomite lime, are very satisfied. Very few problems except for pests like spidermites.
I guess that's why we don't talk much about yield.
I have a 5' X 5' room with 4 - 400W HPS lights. I have about 16 plants flowering in there and get about 2 ozs. from each plant. Not bad.
Burn1

Nice Burn 1....4 plants per 4 hundo they get lots of light.Nice set up...Small and efficient..

thats what my wife tells me all the time it's small but efficient......LOL

 

[chicalyx]

Think a few things contribute to making hydro appear to yield better, and looking at it some ways, it does. First, hydro/chem fed grows faster, giving the illusion of higher yield. Second, hydro plants aren't prone to becoming rootbound, so smaller containers can be used. If you're gonna put a 5 gal. organic soil plant up against a 5 gal DWC plant, than hell yeah hydro is gonna win on yield in a shorter time.

Last, it's harder to get plants perfectly dialed in using an organic soil mix, with ammendments added. I'm starting to move towards coco/hydro after a few years of organic soil,, and I can say for sure the ladies are doing great and I don't have to listen to em bitch at me as much.

 

[lilo]

jiggy, my buds are as fluffy or hard as should be.
Take any bud and see how you can get rid of all the leaves and stems in it.
I just explained why I do that - 1 little leaf will spoil the taste/smoke/smell of any bud to me. Leaf goes qiso. Oh, I would touch them that much and more if I just had enough bud to massacre it into hash and not to smoke any green shit ever again.

 

[lilo]

hey chicalyx, I don't think it's "illusion of higher yield" it IS higher yield. Time MUST be considered. And in flower it produces better regardless of time because nutrient uptake is not limited by water/dry/feed/circles or stress of inorganic matter bumps in rootzone etc. so nutrients are available at any time no swings almost totally stable.

 

[Sammet]

Jiggy knows what he's talking about. Yield becomes irrelevant unless you count veg time. Organics have given me the biggest yields I've ever had, 11L containers, earth juice teas, 5-8 Oz per plant, 600W cooltube, 6 weeks veg.





I'm expecting about 5 off this girl. But I grow perpetually, and for personal use (and some friends) so don't weigh my bud frequently. Quality is the most important, as I'll always have more than enough.

 

[lilo]

jiggy,

manicuring out calyxes is no rocket science, mate. take scissors and cut chunks of calyxes off the stem leaving leaf. do it over a wide bucket to make it easy. tell me leafless bud won't burn better. better yet if shooting fr quality go pure fresh charas or good hash.

my buds are quite perfect, no complains. my room temps are constant during lights on thermostats and humidity is well controlled too. I don't throw out trichomes as I said it goes quck iso. You may not mess with solvents but many other organic growers you probably just haven't come around out there do mess with solvents and it works great. Purest grade alcohol is not too difficult to come by if you imply impurities. Whether it is of a bigger mess then all other hash-making ways is disputable.

i too have a seperate veg/clone/etc are and still I find time is as relevant. i would imagine it to be irrelevant though, if I had unlimited electricity supply and huge space in a secure area. What I am saying about time is practicly relevant to the subject because in reality if one grows constantly for personal consumption on a small scale indoors then yield is not what you get per one single harvest but the ability of your growing methods to constantly keep you supplied. And all this for an acceptable price. Time will measure how many plants you could grow in a given area, not one instance of a grow.

Flipping a freshly rooted clone to 12/12 does produce the same quality smoke to me. Smaller yield, yes. But space and plant features should be considered as well. It works great when done right.

Sammet, thank you I understand what you're saying. One thing though, quality could only be the most important thing if you already produce enough yieldwise, don't you agree? If you're a medical patient and you need X ammount then no taste/smell quality is going to compensate.

I didn't mean to take it into hydro vs organic soil debate. I have shared my exerience take it for what it is.

 

[sophisto]

jiggy,

manicuring out calyxes is no rocket science, mate. take scissors and cut chunks of calyxes off the stem leaving leaf. do it over a wide bucket to make it easy. tell me leafless bud won't burn better. better yet if shooting fr quality go pure fresh charas or good hash.

my buds are quite perfect, no complains. my room temps are constant during lights on thermostats and humidity is well controlled too. I don't throw out trichomes as I said it goes quck iso. You may not mess with solvents but many other organic growers you probably just haven't come around out there do mess with solvents and it works great. Purest grade alcohol is not too difficult to come by if you imply impurities. Whether it is of a bigger mess then all other hash-making ways is disputable.

i too have a seperate veg/clone/etc are and still I find time is as relevant. i would imagine it to be irrelevant though, if I had unlimited electricity supply and huge space in a secure area. What I am saying about time is practicly relevant to the subject because in reality if one grows constantly for personal consumption on a small scale indoors then yield is not what you get per one single harvest but the ability of your growing methods to constantly keep you supplied. And all this for an acceptable price. Time will measure how many plants you could grow in a given area, not one instance of a grow.

Flipping a freshly rooted clone to 12/12 does produce the same quality smoke to me. Smaller yield, yes. But space and plant features should be considered as well. It works great when done right.

Sammet, thank you I understand what you're saying. One thing though, quality could only be the most important thing if you already produce enough yieldwise, don't you agree? If you're a medical patient and you need X ammount then no taste/smell quality is going to compensate.

I didn't mean to take it into hydro vs organic soil debate. I have shared my exerience take it for what it is.

I respect your opinion, but that last comment to Sammet I have to comment on....I dont agree.... I would rather have 10 measly grams per plant of great tasting, organic nuggies, as opposed to having to meet a yield requirement and sacrificing quality.

Sure we all want to push the envelope as to what a strain can do yield wise, but at some point it has to stop...You can only push a strain so far before quality is sacrificed.....

Like I said I respect your opinion . And to each his own....

Back on topic,

What have some of you guys done to help increase your yields over the years, that you overlooked in the beginning???

 

[Sammet]

for me, Fulvic and Humic Acid. Molasses. All chelating agents that make your nutes more efficient.

 

[quadracer]

There needs to be this added to the list of details:

Soil Mixture:
Additional Soil Amendments:
Feeding schedule:
Compost tea?