spider mite insectaside ?????'s

[billb]

has anyone ever used these
Zeal,Zypher or Oberon? my friend is an antamologist thats specialty is spider mites. he has written many articles on them. he consults for farmers and has never heard of floramite, avid or the hexygon. so i was wondering has anyone ever used the ones above??? if so how does it affect the plant???

 

[inflorescence]

my friend is an antamologist thats specialty is spider mites. he has written many articles on them. he consults for farmers and has never heard of floramite, avid...

That just makes no sense.

Floramite is the industry leader, avid used to be.

Your friend is ignorant.

 

[billb]

i wouldn't call him ignorant. he has a PHD from mississippi state. which is one of the largest schools for antomology other than U of A. he specializes in spidermites mostly in cotton. the guy makes alot of money consulting all over the south. so i think he knows what he's talking about. also i was asking if anyone has ever used these on MJ. not whether my friend is ignorant, which i resent by the way. i thought this forum was to help people, not degrade them.

 

[darkhollo]

floramite is used/mentioned quite often by people on this forum. Just try the search util and it will show up.. and help assure you that it can be used safely.

-dh

 

[billb]

looks like floramite is no where near the leader or avid. do a little research.

Control: When spider mites are a problem during dry periods, irrigation, or timely rainfall, can
help increase plant vigor and tolerance and may affect mite populations. Treatment thresholds
vary among states as well as due to environmental conditions. However, when populations
exceed the economic threshold, treatment with a specific miticide is recommended. Depending
on the material being used, successful control of heavy spider mite infestations may require two
successive applications at approximately five-day intervals. This is because many treatments are
not active against the egg stage and because the residual control provided by most miticides is
relatively short.
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Table 2: Insecticides Recommended for Control of Spider Mites
Insecticide Class Trade Name Lbs ai/acre
Bifenthrin * SyP Capture 0.06 to 0.1
Fenpropathrin * SyP Danitol 0.2 to 0.3
Abamectin Misc. Zephyr 0.00465 – 0.0188
Dicofol Chlor. Hydro. Kelthane 1.00 to 1.50
Propargite Misc. Comite 1.23 to 1.64
* These products require two consecutive applications at 5-day intervals.
http://www.ipmcenters.org/pmsp/pdf/MidsouthCottonPMSP.pdf

you can check out that usda site for reference!!

 

[billb]

floramite is used/mentioned quite often by people on this forum. Just try the search util and it will show up.. and help assure you that it can be used safely.

-dh

thanks, i know it is used alot and works great. my question was has anyone ever used the ones i named above? i can get those free through my friend and not have to pay 300 for floramite or avid.

 

[inflorescence]

Uh, Abamectin Misc. Zephyr 0.00465 – 0.0188 is Avid.

I don't have a phd, but i did stay at a Holiday Inn once.
Oh, and twenty years industry experience.

Did I mention Avid is about a thousand times more toxic than floramite.
Not to mention those other chems you mentioned are about a thousand times more toxic than avid.

I wouldn't ingest ANY of the chems you mentioned.

You sure the usda was taking about chems that could be ingested or just chems that would kill mites. Big difference there.

Do people actually EAT cotton?

 

[billb]

thats why i ws asking if anyone ever used those. i wan't sure. i knew they were used on cotton and other farm crops. then u had to be an asshole, by calling names. i was just trying to get some info on them. cause my buddy doesn't partake in the MJ

 

[inflorescence]

i wouldn't call him ignorant. the guy makes alot of money consulting all over the south. so i think he knows what he's talking about.

yet I can barely scrap enough to pay rent each month and I've heard of (and used) floramite and he's never even heard of it.

Gee, I wonder why I think that's F'uped.

 

[Pistil Whipped]

I was going to say HidHut breaks down floramite into smaller bottles that were like $15, but I just checked and they no longer do. You might email them as maybe they still have the small bottles.

Personally, I love neem. It doesn't eradicate them in one application, but its cheap, it can be used often, kills mutliple pests and when used preventively in veg will keep your plants mite, thrip and mildew free.

Pistil Whipped

 

[billb]

jus sent them an email. thanks alot pistil

 

[Guest]

He has not heard on the products because the economics of putting something that costs $$ per ounce would be silly to put on acres. Also the application for acreage may be environmentally unfriendly.

The water wells through out the south East United states are already contaminated with
multiple insecticides and herbicides.

The federal government would like to hide the fact. The push to provide "city water to rural areas is to hide the biggest health care crisis of all time.
I digress.

 

[Leon Sanders]

billb, a search, just the word mites mights give you a few days of reading. There are many many effective ways to kill the buggers. The eggs are the tough ones.

FWIW, I gave in and tried the no pest strips, and it ENDED my AWFUL infestation. I mean, classic awful. I was far too ashamed to take pics. They might also be the cheapest method as well, as they last around 4 months. The danger of using them applies mostly to us though.

 

[thcbear]

maxi crop works well for mites it cuts their little bodies and they dont work anymore. norweigian seaweed rocks.

 

[inflorescence]

He has not heard on the products because the economics of putting something that costs $$ per ounce would be silly to put on acres. Also the application for acreage may be environmentally unfriendly.

I digress.

Or because he doesn't realize spidermites are only a real problem for greenhouses and interiorscapes.

After being in the industry for over 20 years I can't ever recall a spidermite outbreak outdoors.

But when it comes to greenhouses and interiorscapes floramite is the industry leader.

And when it comes to economics, NO amount of money is worth your health.

There are a gazillon products out there that will kill all kinds of pests but only one or two that I would ever consider putting in my body.

I'm glad this guy makes big bucks consulting people to poison their crops and ultimately poison their customers. Nice.

 

[accessndx]

Uh, Abamectin Misc. Zephyr 0.00465 – 0.0188 is Avid.

Did I mention Avid is about a thousand times more toxic than floramite.
Not to mention those other chems you mentioned are about a thousand times more toxic than avid.

I wouldn't ingest ANY of the chems you mentioned.

You sure the usda was taking about chems that could be ingested or just chems that would kill mites. Big difference there.

I gotta put my 2 cents in here: Yeah Avid and all that jazz is toxic. That's the point...it kills the f*ck outta mites....
I had the worst abdominal cramps and felt like crap when I applied it.....
It definitely turned my insides out.
BUT: IT WORKED LIKE A CHARM.
I didn't flower anything for awhile....I kept things vegative and cloned them....for 2 or 3 cycles.....all the while using plain water to spray down the new growth.
Only when I was rather sure there was no trace of Avid left did I subsequently flower and begin to smoke the fruits of my labor.
I'm sure that Avid is teratogenic, carcinogenic, mutagenic and toxic.......
There's no doubt in my mind that it's all those things....
But there is a way it can be utilized to accomplish the task at hand and at the same time minimize the danger/damage to human physiology. Mites on the other hand can suck my balls.

 

[gusthedog]

avid! (ITS SAFE FOR VEG BUT NOT FLOWERING, THE STREP VIRUS THEY USE IS NATURALLY FOUND IN DIRT BUT TAKES 2 TO 3 WEEKS TO FLUSH IT OUT OF THE PLANTS SYSTEM) is the best!

 

[rootfingers]

Seriously, do a search, find the floramite, bite the bullet and pay up. You WILL NOT be hosting any more mites in the future. And it is safe to use (a week or two) into flowering. Besides a cheaper price tag, what more could one ask for?

 

[southwind]

Greetings

Greetings

Hello all;

I am chiming in also as mites are and continue to hurt all of us.

Here in California we have bothe the red and 2 spotted spider mite and what is sometimes referred to as the 'super mite' which is simply a population that has become resistant to some of the standard miticides.

MITICIDE=Insecticide specifically for MITES

Now , my own brother is an Entomologist [the study of insects] and a Biologist..we all have this kind of degree and nursery/greenhouse experience in my family.

So spider mites have always been something I am aware of..

We used to treat plants with quite a few old fashioned remedies..which I am NOT going into..


What I want to say is this:

A member here mentioned having debilitating cramps after applying either Avid or Floramtie.

In most States as well as California, it is illegal to apply either of those without proper training and equipment.One must be Certified

And for once I AGREE WITH THE GOVERNMENT REASONING.

These 2 miticides [Floramite and Avid] are extremely toxic to mites but also to YOU.

Breathing it
ingesting it
getting on skin
in eyes

IS BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD.

When I have had to use these chemicals I get the .PDF INSTRUCTIONS FOR USE.

Use gloves use mask use goggles.

****************FROM MATERIAL DATA SAFETY SHEET**********
Use PrecautionsAlways read and follow label instructions. Exposure toFloramite can cause moderate eye irritation. Handlers(mixers, loaders and applicators) of Floramite shouldavoid contact with eyes and clothing, and should wearthe required Personal Protective Equipment (PPE).Floramite is not currently labeled for use in chemigation systems and therefore should not beapplied through any type of irrigation system. Do notallow workers to come into contact with treated surfaces during the Restricted Entry Interval (REI) of12 hours without the required early entry PPE.7SummaryIFloramite controls a variety of mite pests, primarily spider mites, red mites and grass mites,in greenhouse, shadehouse, nursery, field, landscape and interiorscape grown ornamentals.IFloramite results in rapid, 3-day knockdown ofmites due to disruption of the nervous system. IFloramite is highly effective, with long residualcontrol of 21 days or more and is economical to use.IFloramite provides control in many mite speciesand in all mite life stages in Tetranychus species.IFloramite reduces handler exposure with singledose, water soluble packaging.IFloramite is safe to predacious/beneficial mitesand insects and fits well into IPM strategies.IFloramite is phyto safe on tested ornamentals upto 4 lbs. per 100 gallons.IFloramite was fast-tracked as a Reduced Risk pesticide by the EPA.IThe unique chemistry of Floramite adds a muchsought-after option in miticides and is ideal for usein current resistance management programs.
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Avid is a registered trademark of Novartis. Sanmite is a registered trademark of Nissan Chemical Industries, Inc. Talstar is a registered trademark of FMC Corporation. Orthene is a registered trademark of Tomen Corporation.Floramite is a registered trademark of Uniroyal Chemical Company, Inc. ©2001 Uniroyal Chemical Company, Inc. Always read and follow label directions.UNI-21200Uniroyal Chemical Company, Inc.Crop Protection DivisionSpecialty ProductsWorld HeadquartersMiddlebury, CT 06749www.uniroyalchemical.comAsk your Uniroyal Chemical representative about effective control of mites with Floramite ornamental miticide.
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its not worth the problems it can cause you.

and believe me, I am NOT a 100% OMRI, natural, organic grower, I do see a NEED to apply more toxic solutions to my garden at times.
But I have learned from experience that its best to use an ounce of prevention [ for myself and plants] than a pound of cure.

and DOCTOR BILLS OR FUTURE CANCER.

This has been a public service message from
SW

 

[The Vermonster]

Hi.........I just had a bad spidermite problem and basically lost or killed my next run of veg and some choice strains..........lost 6 weeks to these bastards!!!!! I bombed my room w/ a product called Dr Doom and they went away(for now)....lol..........anyway i also bought the Dr Doom spray and everything is finally back to normal.......gl friend......Spidermites SUCK!!!!