Differance in yield between clones and seed plants

[Guest]

Can anybody tell me there experiance in the yield between clones and seed plants of the same strain under the same conditions at the same hieght.


Basicly im asking, if a clone finished at 24" and a seed plant of the same strain finished at 24" would they yield the same?

Laters

 

[acidnI_livE]

probably be damn close in yeild. also would depend on the clones mothers actuall age.

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

Can anybody tell me there experiance in the yield between clones and seed plants of the same strain under the same conditions at the same hieght.


Basicly im asking, if a clone finished at 24" and a seed plant of the same strain finished at 24" would they yield the same?

Laters

You would not really do that, why flower the clone so big, you just have an inefficient garden, wasting a lot of veg time and a lot of vertical rubbish, so ... use clones.

Take 10 female seed plants, fem or sexed, you will find good, bad, tall, short, lanky, fat, weak and potent amongst them, with luck, one day you will find exceptional, but if you just select your winner and flower gardens of her clones, even by your criteria, the clone will win.

 

[skylined]

Overall turnaround on clones is faster. They need less veg time than seed plants because they start from a good size, couple nodes, rather than a tiny seedling with cotyledons. Second, I believe they flower a little faster because the objective age of the plant is greater (clone has same age as mother plant) and a plant that is more sexually mature will kick into flower faster. Clones, imo, are always preferable. I'm 95% sure on both of those things, if anyone has a correction however please do so, I do of course wish to make sure that information being disseminated is correct....

Peace,
~Skylined

[edit] sorry seems I went a lil off topic there...
I think clones do yield better for the following reasons - canopy is even and so you can get the light at optimal distance for every plant in the garden. Also, you have the strain more dialed in and you know it better than you did during the initial seed run.

 

[cobain420]

Clones for all the reasons above, I have experience with both gardens from seed and clones, and clones are better hands down.

 

[Evgeni_Malkin]

There has to be some draw backs if using clones. ANy effect on potency ? What about taking a clone from a clone from a clone and so on this will degrade the Plant or BUd? Or will a 5th generation plant produce better product then a first generatioin clone?

 

[FunkBomb]

My last grow I ran Hashberry from seed as well as from clone. My seed plants yielded much higher than the clones. Even one of the clones that was vegged a month got spanked by the seed plants. It could be genetic or enviroment, but thats how it was for Hashberry.

-Funk

 

[smurfin'herb]

i noticed my legends ultimate indica seed plants yielded about 10-20% more than their clones do at the same amt. of veg time. They also grew faster and taller.

 

[green_grow]

a cuttings potential is no greater (or lesser) than the potential of the mother plant that it came from, while a seed can turn out to be the Hulk Hogan or the Pee Wee Herman of the cannabis world.

 

[friction2k]

it's fairly known plants from seed have vigor that some clones lack(unless given proper root space and dialed in correct). id say any plant from seed(female that is) will out-yield a clone taken from it with the same veg time and pot size.

 

[YwouldntI]

im runnin clones from clones from clones that i been runnin for years and the potency hasnt been lost at all.every once in a while i flower the mom out and start a new mom with my best lookin plant at the time.

 

[TGT]

What I have noticed with some plants is that when from seed and budded, the finished product is sometimes not as potent as the finished product of the same plant started from clone. I think the plant sometimes has to be a little older before potency is at its fullest. This could be the reason why clones are sometimes more potent than from seed. I am not sure if this is the case with all strains, but this has been my experience with the few genetics I have sprouted from seed and then cloned.

About taking a clone from a clone and so on, I have kept the same strain for years this way and nothing had ever changed. It still produces the same yield, vigor and potency as it has all along.

I personally think clone and seed plants produce about the same amount. Sometimes it can seem as though the cloned plant produces more, but I think it is just because it grows differently after being cloned. From seed you usually get one large bud with smaller ones at the sides, but with a clone you get more of an upside-down candleabra shape. I think this is the reason clones seem like they produce more - just because they grow differently.

Just my input on the matter.

TGT

 

[Evgeni_Malkin]

I remember reading somewehere something about the chemical change the plant goes through change when it starts from seed and it is changing to male or female. This change does not occur in clones, thus reducing somethign from the clones. The lack of the chemical hormonal change in the clone may be something to consider.

 

[johnyhash]

Has anyone else noticed a decrease in quality from clone? I have not been able to achieve the same flavor from my romulan diesel clones as the seed mom, maybe its just me but my clones cant compare to when the seed mom was flowered.

 

[TGT]

Johneyhash, I have noticed the exact opposite, but generally the clone should have the same taste, potency and growth structure as the mother from seed. Could it be something you are doing differently? It could be some strains just change as I nor anyone else has grown every strain, so who knows? I guess it's possible to be different. You have to look at every possiblitiy and see if anything, even something seemingly trivial has changed during the grow to make it different.

TGT

 

[Wannabreed]

Btw i heard in some books and forums (dont remember sources) that from seed a plant need few months (1-3) before showing an offset betwen internodes and then would be plenty mature/yelder.
Is that true ?

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

Btw i heard in some books and forums (dont remember sources) that from seed a plant need few months (1-3) before showing an offset betwen internodes and then would be plenty mature/yelder.
Is that true ?

By offset, you mean asymmetric branching, young seedlings show symmetric branching, they only become asymmetric once they are sexually mature..... although there are many differences in expression between varieties.

Immature plants will not fulfil the maximum potency or yield the genetics allow. If you flower a seedling or a clone from a month old "mother" it will be inferior to an older plant. Likewise, if you do not really look after your clones and mums, you can harm your clone stock and it can perform inferior to seed grown stock.

Done properly, a selected clone, well cared for, is going to outperform seed plants by a long shot, you gain a nice percentage yield by selecting a high yield clone and you can flower them happily at a few inches, making a far more efficient garden.

 

[Moleculist]

I've generally heard that you can only clone a plant for about 5-6 generations. I don't mean take 5-6 generations of cuttings, but to turn further clones into moms only works for about 5-6 generations before you start noticing genetic oddities or other funky shit.