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pictures uploaded and more detailed description of problem below.
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Hm, can i not upload pictures to my own threads yet because of my low posts? When i click on the pictures i've uploaded to my gallery to insert them into this thread, the page tells me that there are URLs in my thread and therefore cannot be posted.
of course there are URLs in my post, silly internet.
*post-post-post*
of course there are URLs in my post, silly internet.
*post-post-post*
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yea. im sorry to tell you thoes are dead..
did you leave them in the bag opr in water for a while???
they look roted.
did you leave them in the bag opr in water for a while???
they look roted.
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How long has this problem been going on? For two weeks (my last two attempts with mershy bagseeds)
What STRAIN are you growing? Bagseed from some alright mersh.
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?) Seed.
What is the age of your plants? bit longer than a week.
How Tall are the plants? approx. 2 cm, heh.
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? seedling.
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?) Miracle Gro Organic Choice potting soil at ~60%, MG Perlite at ~30%, and ~10% Espoma Plant-Tone organic fertilizer at 5-3-3.
What Nutrient's are you using?How much of each with how much water? How Often? *Knowing the brand is very helpful* No additional nutrients than the one already in the soil.
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? no idea.
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen?
How often are you watering? I watered every 2 days, only to keep them moist.
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?
What size bulb are you using? while the seeds were germinating, i had a 30w daylight CFL on.
What is the distance to the canopy? a foot?
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity) 20% outside the cups, 80-90% under the plastic bags (during germination I kept plastic bags over the pots/containers to keep the moisture up (this could also be my problem, but I only used the plastic on the second germination attempt, the first was without any humidity control, so i believe it's something else...))
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range) stable 78-81 for the babies.
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? no.
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?
Is your water HARD or SOFT? I believe the tap water here to be pretty hard
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water? Top
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? nope.
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? nope.
Are plant's infected with pest's? nope.
Yes, it's quite obvious to me that they're dead. The odd thing is that they're actually a little more than a week old and the taproot only got to that size in that time... it lead me to believe that there might be something wrong with the soil it was in.
All stuff from the Home Depot: Miracle Gro Organic Choice potting soil at ~60%, MG Perlite at ~30%, and ~10% Espoma Plant-Tone organic fertilizer at 5-3-3.
I believe my problem lies in the fact that all of these ingredients were opened more than 6 months ago (even longer for the perlite and organic fert) and have possibly become bad or contaminated in some way... I actually microwaved the first batch of soil that displayed this problem to kill any malicious bacteria and tried again using more of the same bagseeds, but again, same result.
I germinated some mersh bagseeds (i'm just starting.
) using the paper towel method, and as soon as they cracked and showed their taproot, they were placed half an inch to a quarter-inch below the surface with the root down, then squirted upon with tap water to keep them moist, etc.
What STRAIN are you growing? Bagseed from some alright mersh.
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?) Seed.
What is the age of your plants? bit longer than a week.
How Tall are the plants? approx. 2 cm, heh.
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? seedling.
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?) Miracle Gro Organic Choice potting soil at ~60%, MG Perlite at ~30%, and ~10% Espoma Plant-Tone organic fertilizer at 5-3-3.
What Nutrient's are you using?How much of each with how much water? How Often? *Knowing the brand is very helpful* No additional nutrients than the one already in the soil.
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? no idea.
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen?
How often are you watering? I watered every 2 days, only to keep them moist.
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?
What size bulb are you using? while the seeds were germinating, i had a 30w daylight CFL on.
What is the distance to the canopy? a foot?
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity) 20% outside the cups, 80-90% under the plastic bags (during germination I kept plastic bags over the pots/containers to keep the moisture up (this could also be my problem, but I only used the plastic on the second germination attempt, the first was without any humidity control, so i believe it's something else...))
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range) stable 78-81 for the babies.
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? no.
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?
Is your water HARD or SOFT? I believe the tap water here to be pretty hard
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water? Top
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? nope.
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? nope.
Are plant's infected with pest's? nope.
Yes, it's quite obvious to me that they're dead. The odd thing is that they're actually a little more than a week old and the taproot only got to that size in that time... it lead me to believe that there might be something wrong with the soil it was in.
All stuff from the Home Depot: Miracle Gro Organic Choice potting soil at ~60%, MG Perlite at ~30%, and ~10% Espoma Plant-Tone organic fertilizer at 5-3-3.
I believe my problem lies in the fact that all of these ingredients were opened more than 6 months ago (even longer for the perlite and organic fert) and have possibly become bad or contaminated in some way... I actually microwaved the first batch of soil that displayed this problem to kill any malicious bacteria and tried again using more of the same bagseeds, but again, same result.
I germinated some mersh bagseeds (i'm just starting.
) using the paper towel method, and as soon as they cracked and showed their taproot, they were placed half an inch to a quarter-inch below the surface with the root down, then squirted upon with tap water to keep them moist, etc.
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Bump.
Basically, my problem is this: my seedlings only got as far as you can see in the picture above before just completely halting growth and ending up more anemic looking by the day. Could it be a fungus or mold on old soil, or even so far as the seeds being too immature?
glad for any opinions.
Basically, my problem is this: my seedlings only got as far as you can see in the picture above before just completely halting growth and ending up more anemic looking by the day. Could it be a fungus or mold on old soil, or even so far as the seeds being too immature?
glad for any opinions.
Looks like how mine turn out most every time, if mine get past seedling stage (lots of h2o2 to do that) they just rot when put in soil.
I've tried arid conditions but seedlings can only take so much of that and the mold/bacteria or whatever is rotting them seems to be able to weather arid conditions better than the seedlings which really sucks.
I've tried arid conditions but seedlings can only take so much of that and the mold/bacteria or whatever is rotting them seems to be able to weather arid conditions better than the seedlings which really sucks.
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So what can be done to ward this off? sterilization? Would certain indoor environments exhibit/precipitate this problem more voraciously than others?
Both Deft and my cases are very similar, have many other people experienced this problem?
gluck to all.
Both Deft and my cases are very similar, have many other people experienced this problem?
gluck to all.
I started some seeds outside, they were like this at first but they are fighting to be nice and healthy and may yet be. This leads me to believe that they are suffering from some sort of bacteria/mold or both that is in the air/dust inside. I've been circulating more and more air but it doesn't seem to help any yet.. SM-90 is helping established plants send out healthy roots again but the seeds still turn brown and die inside.
ANY tips would be much appreciated, I want to get back on track.
ANY tips would be much appreciated, I want to get back on track.
wishbone420
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specially labeled bag of soil that says seedling starter. wally world would be a good place to start. them are burnt for sure.
some of my planters do that too i think it gets too moist.
They seem to brown and rot even in very dry soil. Funny thing is when I recently started a batch of basil seeds (supposed to be very hard to germ properly I guess because they are poppy seed size) and I got a 85% success rate and have not lost a single one after over a month... but I started them in a different part of my place in a window in public view so I cant start canna there.
gr33nie
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I had a similar problem with seedlings at first - lost almost all of my seedlings every time! Turned out to be damping-off and I simply added some air circulation via an oscillating fan - I know that you're also doing this so this may not be the issue. Also - don't cover the seedlings. Too much humidity is very, very bad for them. It gives pythium an environment to thrive in, leading to damping-off.
I always start seeds directly in the medium so as to reduce the chance of the taproot either getting damaged or infected by an airborne fungus/mold spore when transplanting. Soil, r/w whatever your preference - doesn't matter.
Good air circulation and good humidity 50%-70% and you'll get 100% germination.
I'd try using a 1'' r/w cube (or some other medium - I use r/w as i'm hydro..) to see if it's an environmental issue first. If they take to the r/w, then you know that it's your soil that's causing the probs.
I always start seeds directly in the medium so as to reduce the chance of the taproot either getting damaged or infected by an airborne fungus/mold spore when transplanting. Soil, r/w whatever your preference - doesn't matter.
Good air circulation and good humidity 50%-70% and you'll get 100% germination.
I'd try using a 1'' r/w cube (or some other medium - I use r/w as i'm hydro..) to see if it's an environmental issue first. If they take to the r/w, then you know that it's your soil that's causing the probs.
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Thanks for the reply, I don't have any rockwool or hydro shops anywhere near me but I may drive a ways and get some. Maybe indoor soil is just too much of a breeding ground for whatever is eating my roots, hydro might be for me.
I just put in an air conditioner which circulates and obviously cools the air, maybe that will help some.
I just hope I can get a good outdoor crop going, going to put out my one surviving mom and some seed and not have any plants/soil in my growing room for a while and see if that helps.
I just put in an air conditioner which circulates and obviously cools the air, maybe that will help some.
I just hope I can get a good outdoor crop going, going to put out my one surviving mom and some seed and not have any plants/soil in my growing room for a while and see if that helps.
