Choking your plants?

[bighogg]

Respectfully neither smokey or me are confused,

i didn't say you were confused. i said you are conflating two different issues. bud size and trichs, which i am relating to quality of hi.

proper stress techniques increase the quality of hi. now whether this particular technique (binding the stem with wire) works or not, i have no idea. does it have merit? absolutely, cause you are cutting off it's supply nutrients/oxygen/water.

Incedentally techniques like these get big laughs on any other NON pot growing forum.

uh...ok..i'm not sure what other plant out there would be a good comparison. we are TALKING ABOUT INTOXICATION RIGHT????

why would tomato growers have fuck all to do with getting high/quality of hi?? sure they can grow huge tasty tomatoes, but last time i checked, tomatoes don't have resinous glands that can be smoked to get baked? the comparison is even more ridiculous than apples to oranges...at least they are both fruits meant to be eaten for nutrition.

jeezus

 

[Suby]

I love how pot smokers thinks pot is SOOOOO unique, there couldn't possibly be another plant that compares to lol.

Tomatoes are VERY simialr to weed, they require similar nutes in simialr amunts and have a veg and flowering phase, suppercropping is a technique used in the tomato industry

I'm still waiting for the side by side or even a description from any grower let alone an experienced established one.

 

[NorCalFor20]

why does everything have to have a side by side comparision to be true theres still people using HPS and MH lights to grow pot when cmh has better spectrum, weed is a weed and theres more than one way to grow a weed. just because something isn't scientifically proven dosn't mean it isn't true. If his dad has a degree in botony which i believe no one else on this site has i would take his word for it over any member on this site.

IMHO

 

[bighogg]

I love how pot smokers thinks pot is SOOOOO unique, there couldn't possibly be another plant that compares to lol.

<SIGH>

if you are talking about nutritional requirements, yes. but we aren't talking about that.

somewhere along this line, you mistakenly believed that we are talking about the size.

we are not.

we are talking about stress to increase the quality of the hi, which it very much does.

i'm not sure why you would want to stress a tomato plant. i can't think of one single reason.

maybe a better comparison would be cat nip. but then you would have to ask the cat if they got any higher off the stressed cat nip or the non stressed cat nip...LOL!!

 

[James-Bong]

next it'll be "singing to you plant creates more resin"

"Sounds like it would work to me." ..... come off it... because its just stoner bullshit myths.

Get off your high horse, chief.......

This is why the site exists, to answer questions and help each other out.......

The only stupid question, is the one that isn't asked.....



As far as the choking thing goes, ive never heard of it.

 

[accessndx]

Simple and easy way to establish your own opinion....
I'm sure it's evident to everyone in the thread: stress 1/2 of your plants and leave the other 1/2 alone. Compare the results afterwards. Do it a few times. See what follows.

If it's "stoner b.s." or not, you'll be in a position to observe and critique.

 

[OxyMax]

Hi,

I just wanted to add that stressing our plant is in one hand beneficial to resin production but in other hand could be a drawback to the production of green matter.

Indeed the plant uses resin to protect her from attack besides it's the same effect makes by elicitor contained in nuts.

Moreover there are studies(french & dutch) about the subject which prove the positive result.

At last, i'd say 6 days with no light during the flush period is the best method if you can control environment because it damages chlorophyll faster and involves better taste. You can mix it with other methods like water stress and fall of temperature.

++

 

[Ajunta Pall]

I wouldn't choke or push things through the stem, because you might end up severly injuring your plant. A wound that late in the plants life could invite disease or mold. There are other ways to stress a plant w/o maiming it. I primarily grow outdoors and the cooler fall temps, especially at night, signal the plant to produce more resin.

 

[Jon]

I find it funny that advanced growers can’t humble themselves enough to admit that they do not know everything about growing marijuana and that there are possibilities for different results. There are so many unknowns in the world, in the universe, in our bodies, and in our plants.

 

[Jon]

I wouldn't choke or push things through the stem, because you might end up severly injuring your plant. A wound that late in the plants life could invite disease or mold. There are other ways to stress a plant w/o maiming it. I primarily grow outdoors and the cooler fall temps, especially at night, signal the plant to produce more resin.

Seems like choking cuts off the hormonal flow without exposing tissue for bugs and disease to attack.

 

[Suby]

we are talking about stress to increase the quality of the hi, which it very much does.

I'm still waiting for someone to show me something more than anecdotal information.
I'm not hung up on side by sides or even less scientific journals, I want to hear from someone whom I know grows like a pro to confirm this works.

I've been waiting since my first post at OG a grower I respect to acknowledge anything like this or an equivalent stress of any kind improves bud...

My guess is this thread will dissappear and I'll still be waiting

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Do you have information that would show it does not do anything, Suby?
I mean, surely it's fair to ask for backup from any dissension, as well as from those who feel that there is benefit in the practice, yes?

To confirm this either way or the other a study would have to be done using some sort of controls. Wouldn't be too hard really, to get some fairly good data.
Have you conducted such studies and collected such data to back up what you are saying? Or perhaps you could point us to something that backs up your theory?

 

[Jon]

Suby,

Are you also anti medical-marijuana? Let’s be real, anecdotal evidence was the basis of the medical marijuana movement, was it not? Science won’t always have the answers if there aren’t many scientists studying it.

 

[Suby]

I'm not hung up on side by sides or even less scientific journals, I want to hear from someone whom I know grows like a pro to confirm this works.

I've been waiting since my first post at OG a grower I respect to acknowledge anything like this or an equivalent stress of any kind improves bud...

If your going to bait me at least read my posts.

I have 4 patients that I supply for free and have taught to grow so better luck next time.

 

[Jon]

If your going to bait me at least read my posts.

Just "being real" lol.

Historically speaking medical the benefits of marijuana have been know and used culturally before the advent of scientific method.

There is nothing anecdotal about the marijuana movement, I have 4 patients that I supply for free and have taught to grow so better luck next time.

Exactly. So if anecdotal evidence is good enough for our ancestor's health and our own, then it can be considered, to many, good enough for a growing method.

Jorge Cervantes grows like a pro (although he doesn't seem to get much respect by many onliners) and he even said in his indoor/outdoor grow bible that mutilation can increase resin production but he doesn't recommend it because he believes in treating the plant with love to receive love. Many don't want love, they just want to get high.

 

[bighogg]

I've been waiting since my first post at OG a grower I respect to acknowledge anything like this or an equivalent stress of any kind improves bud...

i'm surprised as hell that this is even an argument or myth in the cannabis community. and apparently there are more than just one of your types of thinkers lurking these boards. so i will address all stress non-believers....respectfully, are you that unsophisticated? i'm not trying to be mean or anything but applying stress of varying types changes plant chemistry. it's a fact. what isn't common sense or knowledge are all the ways and types of stress that can be applied. and how they effect health, vigor, and potency of the cannabis plant.

i'm sorry that you either do not understand these complexities or that you are not experienced enough to know that properly applied stress simply helps plants finish.

Let me try another way to explain the mechanism. it's an annual plant and it's going to die...what does it need to do before it dies more than anything else in the world?

do you know the answer?

it's Procreate. the plant needs to reproduce and ensure its own survival. it needs to create seeds.

those resin glands are there to ensure that those seeds survive. they are there to protect the plant from being eaten by other insects. it's a protective mechanism that goes into overdrive when the plant feels threatened and that it's life may be at the end.


TO BOOT stress is always applied eventually because cannabis is an annual. it is GOING to die at the end of the "season"!! the process of dieing is "stressful"

creating stress properly will help your plant finish in the proper amount of time with full potency. i've used it for years, there are dozens of methods, specifically to get plants to finish. that's called...dialing it in. L8r dude.

 

[Jon]

i'm surprised as hell that this is even an argument or myth in the cannabis community. and apparently there are more than just one of your types of thinkers lurking these boards. so i will address all stress non-believers....respectfully, are you that unsophisticated? i'm not trying to be mean or anything but applying stress of varying types changes plant chemistry. it's a fact. what isn't common sense or knowledge are all the ways and types of stress that can be applied. and how they effect health, vigor, and potency of the cannabis plant.

i'm sorry that you either do not understand these complexities or that you are not experienced enough to know that properly applied stress simply helps plants finish.

Let me try another way to explain the mechanism. it's an annual plant and it's going to die...what does it need to do before it dies more than anything else in the world?

do you know the answer?

it's Procreate. the plant needs to reproduce and ensure its own survival. it needs to create seeds.

those resin glands are there to ensure that those seeds survive. they are there to protect the plant from being eaten by other insects. it's a protective mechanism that goes into overdrive when the plant feels threatened and that it's life may be at the end.


TO BOOT stress is always applied eventually because cannabis is an annual. it is GOING to die at the end of the "season"!! the process of dieing is "stressful"

creating stress properly will help your plant finish in the proper amount of time with full potency. i've used it for years, there are dozens of methods, specifically to get plants to finish. that's called...dialing it in. L8r dude.

Yeah but you only have 94 posts so you can't possibly know more than he.

 

[Suby]

Alright well after a few minutes of Googling I'm still without a major article describing how stress has a measurable positive impact on any crop of any type...
I found 1 article describing shorter light cycles helping soy seedlings, that's it.

Jon put the bong down long enough to realize I'm working against disinformation on a daily basis, it's rampant everywhere in the MJ community and if Jorge doesn't get the respect you feel he deserves it's because he bought into alot of this bullshit.

BH I stopped after the first sentence because I've read more inteligent things on a postcard...

 

[bighogg]

are you being deliberately obtuse?

why are you googling soy crops?! wtf?

why would stress help an edible outdoor food crop?? why would one want to stress food?


what is wrong with u?

this discussion is over. u have nothing to contribute and you offer no counter argument.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

But...do you have anything to back up your side of the argument, Suby?
And if not, why is it that your position must be accepted carte blanche? You are doing what you seem to be chastising others for doing.
Making assertions without any backup at all. In fact, you aren't even stating any anecdotal evidence.
Seems the balance of the scales is tipped a bit.