Cannatraders
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I was wondering if anyone could help me out with the best stock to use if I was to start a breeding program? What would be the best way to get one started?
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Best Stock for Breeding Programs?
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skar
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it all depend of you and the way you want to go but...
find some good IBL's...some landraces..and some stock you selected for qualities you're after can be a good starting point.
what's your goals in breeding ? Producing F1 hybrids...? Polyhybrids ? Landraces based hybrids ? Create an IBL of your favorite plant ?
all these questions so you can see more details are needed to help you out
peace
find some good IBL's...some landraces..and some stock you selected for qualities you're after can be a good starting point.
what's your goals in breeding ? Producing F1 hybrids...? Polyhybrids ? Landraces based hybrids ? Create an IBL of your favorite plant ?
all these questions so you can see more details are needed to help you out
peace
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acidnI_livE
Member
for such a general question i see you just want a simple answer.
mandalas seeds are really good stock to have if youd like to breed and good pure afghanis like afghani #1 from sensi or ibl's as said above.
mandala uses landraces in all thier planst and they are very good and uniform from seed and that tells you that they are pretty damn stabel and they are qhat im using for my breeding project im using speed queen wappa and a speed queen male
i dont want to get into exact detail in what im doing as it woudl take up a lot of space here
mandala , sensi and paradise are good places to find good plants to use for breeding siwth and maaking your own, but pleez for the sake of the breeders hard work dont be a "pollen chucking hack and cross two known strains and give it a special name and a mysterious story, stuff like this just fucks up stuff in the cannabis gene pool just look at cali with all the kush cuts floating aroun and purple plants from what i hear they have like 10 different names for each strain and each person that give it the differnt name swears up and down he made this and etc.
my $.02
mandalas seeds are really good stock to have if youd like to breed and good pure afghanis like afghani #1 from sensi or ibl's as said above.
mandala uses landraces in all thier planst and they are very good and uniform from seed and that tells you that they are pretty damn stabel and they are qhat im using for my breeding project im using speed queen wappa and a speed queen male
i dont want to get into exact detail in what im doing as it woudl take up a lot of space here
mandala , sensi and paradise are good places to find good plants to use for breeding siwth and maaking your own, but pleez for the sake of the breeders hard work dont be a "pollen chucking hack and cross two known strains and give it a special name and a mysterious story, stuff like this just fucks up stuff in the cannabis gene pool just look at cali with all the kush cuts floating aroun and purple plants from what i hear they have like 10 different names for each strain and each person that give it the differnt name swears up and down he made this and etc.
my $.02
Cannatraders
New member
Thanks for your help everyone. I guess what I would like to know is where I can find seeds to start with. Should I travel to get these seeds and if so where do I start. Can I buy F1's from dealers or are those not good to use for breeding?
I have read the breeding sticky above and it was super helpful. Thank you to whoever created it.
I have read the breeding sticky above and it was super helpful. Thank you to whoever created it.
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You could buy an f1 strain then make f2's to start the selection process. After a few generations you may have something that is nothing like the original strain. It is all up to your selections.
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ElectroSticky
It depends if you want to have backcross programs , or you are looking to stabilize a ´´new hybrid´´ , or even if it is a Heirloom....
I believe a Good Stock would be DEEP CHUNK....
I believe a Good Stock would be DEEP CHUNK....
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ElectroSticky
backcrossing 101...
if you want to have a seedstock that is gonna ´´look´´ like the kickass clone you want to hold on to ....
then you cross that kickass clone with any male.....
you will have a first seed stock .. let´s call it f1 ... grow that stock and you will get many variations depending on the original clones genetics .... you need to find a male from this (f1)stock...
then .. you cross that male with the Original clone you are trying to ´´preserve´´....
this ´´second´´ stock still made using the original kick ass clone is gonna have more genes from the ´´kickass´´ clone ........
take a look into backcrossing....
if you want to have a seedstock that is gonna ´´look´´ like the kickass clone you want to hold on to ....
then you cross that kickass clone with any male.....
you will have a first seed stock .. let´s call it f1 ... grow that stock and you will get many variations depending on the original clones genetics .... you need to find a male from this (f1)stock...
then .. you cross that male with the Original clone you are trying to ´´preserve´´....
this ´´second´´ stock still made using the original kick ass clone is gonna have more genes from the ´´kickass´´ clone ........
take a look into backcrossing....
Canna you have to have a goal. Like Skar said your question is just to general. are you wanting indica, sativa, fast flower, what kind of high, yield taste and so on and so on. once you set your goals you look for what is out there that suits what you want to start with that and start testing, hopefully you have friends to help test them as its a time consuming process and the more you test and find what your looking for the closer you get to achiving your goal. good luck.
Cuzin_Dave
Active member
Semi stabilised F1's or economy priced F2 seeds seem to work fine in most instances.
HTC Skunk IBL is extremely stable. DeepChunk is stable, Sunshine is stable.. there are a good few things from other breeders out there that is stable..
if you just want something good, to make crosses with, n dont overly-care about stability.. there are TONS of lines available on and off the market, you can start with..
good grows!
Peace, bub.
if you just want something good, to make crosses with, n dont overly-care about stability.. there are TONS of lines available on and off the market, you can start with..
good grows!
Peace, bub.
muddy waters
Active member
The best way to start a breeding program is to start pollinating with what you already have. Refine your technique and learn something about selection before you drop $$$ on commercial lines.
Cuzin_Dave
Active member
You will need to start with enough plants to make selections and find desirable phenotypes. If you use only two plants it could be really tough to improve your line down the road in future generations.
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ElectroSticky
Cuzin_Dave said:
Not Really ....
You just need to pollinate a low branch ..... and find a male ...
unless you want to Sh1t in your crop and get 100"s of seeds ...jejeje
But then again .. it depends what you are looking for (?) ... and what you are deling with ( Hairlooms vs Hybrids )
G
Guest
start with skunk#1 or northern lights or DeepChunk or something from the kush region.finda100% sativa
I'd start with a plant that is spectacularly stable and indestructible-basically an IBL that has been proven over time- or a clone line that is known to be impossible to kill. For examples of these, Power Plant or Island Sweet Skunk would be sturdy IBLs, and Mass Super Skunk would be a clone-line plant with very good traits and a resistance to herming even under adverse conditions (if you wanted to use this as the 'male' in your cross you'd have to resort to chemical herming but there IS a seed line of it called Critical Mass that would provide you a male). These will help you find individuals in your first generation with good vigor and structure.
Then take your list of breeding goals and look for something that is already heading in the direction that you want to take. If you want a stellar commercial producer, you;d choose something like a NL or BigBud. If you want something uniquely boutique-y, you've got a huge menu of clone-onlies to choose from.
IMVHO, it is going to be easier for a n00b breeder to make the first generation cross looking for structure and vigor in the male you use, rather than other traits- choose him carefully. Most of us would not be all that comfortable deciding on males based upon flower traits, and would prefer to use a female of the line that we like the PRODUCT of. With the males, you don't have the luxury of buds to smoke and decide which to stud out, although I've heard of breeders smoking their males to see if they bear noticeable levels of psychoactives. At least in a male, anyone with a halfway decent eye can say, 'yes that individual has excellent structure and the pests seem to leave it alone'- traits that you can see in veg. Get what I'm saying?
That initial cross gives you the gene pool to work with. Don't try to build a square house on an off-kilter foundation- make it strong right from the start. Once you have that initial cross (make LOTS of seeds on that one if you can), you can just keep growing out bunches of them hunting for individuals, both male and female, that display the traits you prefer. The population size should be as large as you dare, and don't be afraid to cull plants that appear sickly or of poor structure. They are useless to your ultimate goal. You can then go to a backcross generation or make F2s. But that's where the complication sets in and it's worth doing your research on stabilization techniques. I think the Greg Green breeding book is really a well-written and informative resource. *shameless plug* lol
Then take your list of breeding goals and look for something that is already heading in the direction that you want to take. If you want a stellar commercial producer, you;d choose something like a NL or BigBud. If you want something uniquely boutique-y, you've got a huge menu of clone-onlies to choose from.
IMVHO, it is going to be easier for a n00b breeder to make the first generation cross looking for structure and vigor in the male you use, rather than other traits- choose him carefully. Most of us would not be all that comfortable deciding on males based upon flower traits, and would prefer to use a female of the line that we like the PRODUCT of. With the males, you don't have the luxury of buds to smoke and decide which to stud out, although I've heard of breeders smoking their males to see if they bear noticeable levels of psychoactives. At least in a male, anyone with a halfway decent eye can say, 'yes that individual has excellent structure and the pests seem to leave it alone'- traits that you can see in veg. Get what I'm saying?
That initial cross gives you the gene pool to work with. Don't try to build a square house on an off-kilter foundation- make it strong right from the start. Once you have that initial cross (make LOTS of seeds on that one if you can), you can just keep growing out bunches of them hunting for individuals, both male and female, that display the traits you prefer. The population size should be as large as you dare, and don't be afraid to cull plants that appear sickly or of poor structure. They are useless to your ultimate goal. You can then go to a backcross generation or make F2s. But that's where the complication sets in and it's worth doing your research on stabilization techniques. I think the Greg Green breeding book is really a well-written and informative resource. *shameless plug* lol
acidnI_livE
Member
i can see you just want an answer that is simple and you dont want to be "grilled" onwhat you want to do etc. so her it is
either get some madala seeds, they are true deluxe quality f-1's created with landrace gentics.
get any of this breeders gear and start there.
or sensi seeds afghani #1 is also good breeding stock.
cant go wrong at all with these 2 recomendations.
mandal is the closest you are going to get to actual landrace genetics aside from traveling the world yourself.
either get some madala seeds, they are true deluxe quality f-1's created with landrace gentics.
get any of this breeders gear and start there.
or sensi seeds afghani #1 is also good breeding stock.
cant go wrong at all with these 2 recomendations.
mandal is the closest you are going to get to actual landrace genetics aside from traveling the world yourself.
what about starting with uk cheese clone..!!
