FF Cha Ching vs. Schultz Bloom Plus

[brodus24]

After a disastrous initial run with Miracle Grow years ago I swore off cheapo commercial ferts.

I currently use the full line of Technaflora Nutes in CoCo, including CalMag+, Sugar Daddy, ThriveAlive, and Awesome Blossoms.

I've been doing very well with this setup--then I saw the Fox Farms 3-part blossom pack (Open Sesame, Beastie Bloomz, Cha Ching), and started wondering if I'd maximize my yield with them.

But the COST....ouch.

Then I noticed Schultz Bloom Plus has virtually the same numbers as Cha Ching: 10-54-10 vs. 9-50-10.

Couldn't I use the Schultz just like Cha Ching in the last few weeks of flowering?

I can't imaging there's a $30 difference in the products--in other words, the Fox Farms would have to increase yield 600-800% better than the Schultz product to justify the cost, and I don't see that happening.

Thoughts?

 

[brodus24]

30 views an no opinions?

To reiterate: Does Fox Farm Cha Ching impart 600-800% better yield than Shultz Bloom Plus to justify the cost?

 

[Guest]

Probably not. The absorption rate is the only difference and that depends on the quality of base products.

If Schultz is more concentrated and cheaper than that would be the better deal. If it's equal in concentration, just get the cheaper one. I have ChaChing but have not used it yet.;

 

[brodus24]

That's what I think I'm going to do.

I just can't see how the Cha Ching would be that much better. Basically you're giving the plant a massive boost of Phosphorous right before harvest, and both products would do the same thing.

And yes, they're both ultra-concentrated--1/4 TSP. per gallon!

So I think I'm going to go w/ the Shultz on 2 plants and then none on 2 other plants to compare differences.

Side note: I never use Superthrive in Flowering, but someone told me it has similar effects in late bloom as some of the Humboldt products (Gravity I believe).

 

[brodus24]

Has anyone else ever used Shultz Bloom Plus in this manner? As a late-flowering additive?

 

[Daemon]

No, but after reading this I'm going to give it a try. I was planning on purchasing the Cha Ching but I saw this and thought I'd give it a try. I just picked up the Bloom Plus and will report back with my results. I have 4 girls in flower with about 3.5 weeks to go. I'll try it on 2 of them and see what happens!

 

[brodus24]

Cool man--I'm going to do the same thing.

It seems like a good alternative to a very expensive additive.

 

[Skrappie]

I use Fert.lome or whatever as a substitute for Cha Ching. Salt is salt, and a high dose "shot" of P is the same no mater how you slice it. I Would recommend bubbling if you're going to use salt based ferts though. ( I only use them as Shots though, some girls are just too hungry for the basic food I feed the herd)

I do it with organic just to make sure everything is mixed evenly and the microbes have a head start.with salts you kind of kill most of your mikes, but mixing is the key.


Keep it green

 

[brodus24]

Exactly my thoughts Skrappie.

My grows these days are dialed in in COCO, and nearly organic.

I only look at something like Cha Ching as a "shot" as well...and after a night of drinking top shelf, if that final shot of Cuervo and Patron Private Stock do the same thing in the end, I'm reachin for the cheap shot

 

[Pig-Pen]

30 views an no opinions?

To reiterate: Does Fox Farm Cha Ching impart 600-800% better yield than Shultz Bloom Plus to justify the cost?

No. Marketing hype. FF makes great stuff, but there's only so much nutes can do, the rest is entirely up to you.

I think you should stick with what you have and learn how to listen to the plants.

It's easy for a newer grower to be caught up in the marketing frenzy because your results are not what you think they should be; then you get stuck in "I need XXX, that will solve my XXX growing problem." ....but it won't.

Listen to your plants, not advertisements.

 

[Guest]

Pig Pen speaks the truth. Just how long have you been using the BC Product Line ? Because you saw something somewhere or someone told you whatever is no reason to add things to a nicely balanced nutrient regime ... and coco is prone to do what ?? Retain Salts ... I smell someone possibly fuckin up the sauce ... I guess if you have 2 "spare" plants go with this plan but if you need the weed I'd stick to what's already getting dialed in. I didn't catch this hype ... is it contagious ? No product can replace solid growing practices and consistency.

 

[brodus24]

Thanks for the input guys.

I've been growing since 1997, and I've been using BC nutes (+additional MAG, mychrozzial fungi, humic, and Succanat) for the past 5 years. My family are medical growers in Mendocino county, and they have large indoor and outdoor fields. I'm very happy with the BC product line in both handwatering to waste and drain/flood COCO grows. I belong to a medical collective, and we've been working on our own strains for awhile now. My work includes a Grapefruit/Sour Diesel/Herijuana cross and a Panama Red/Neville's Haze/OG Kush cross as well as a strain called Peppercorn Ranch, which is a stout Indica with overwhelming Garlic and Pepper overtones and a narcotic, couchlock pain-killing effect. No I don't sell them, so don't ask.

I read my plants and adjust daily. I have a strong grasp on the needs of probably 13 different strains, and haven't had any issues in the past 4 years.

This isn't my first day at the races and I didn't fall for any hype. Hell, I don't even spend money on cloning gel or powder any more since I learned how to clone in water years ago.

I've just noticed a lot of additive-users on this board claiming a lot of improvements, and I thought I'd throw this idea out there.

To clarify, I'm not looking for a fix to any problem--I don't have a problem. I can pull 4oz./plant+ off 1/2 gallon bags of COCO all day. Outdoors we've done absolutely monsterous plants.

I'm simply wondering what the effects of a shot of Bloom would do at the end of veg would do...FF users make some pretty outrageous claims about their 3-part soluble bloom booster line, and I'm interested.

I appreciate your sentiment but I'm hardly a victim of marketing.

 

[Daemon]

To clarify, I'm not looking for a fix to any problem--I don't have a problem. I can pull 4oz./plant+ off 1/2 gallon bags of COCO all day. Outdoors we've done absolutely monsterous plants.

I'm simply wondering what the effects of a shot of Bloom would do at the end of veg would do...FF users make some pretty outrageous claims about their 3-part soluble bloom booster line, and I'm interested.

I appreciate your sentiment but I'm hardly a victim of marketing.

Indeed. I've seen the claims made by FF users, and since I've always used FF's soil/basic nutes I thought it might be worth a try. No way in hell I will pay for the Cha-Ching now.....

 

[Pig-Pen]

Thanks for the input guys.

I've been growing since 1997, and I've been using BC nutes (+additional MAG, mychrozzial fungi, humic, and Succanat) for the past 5 years. My family are medical growers in Mendocino county, and they have large indoor and outdoor fields. I'm very happy with the BC product line in both handwatering to waste and drain/flood COCO grows. I belong to a medical collective, and we've been working on our own strains for awhile now. My work includes a Grapefruit/Sour Diesel/Herijuana cross and a Panama Red/Neville's Haze/OG Kush cross as well as a strain called Peppercorn Ranch, which is a stout Indica with overwhelming Garlic and Pepper overtones and a narcotic, couchlock pain-killing effect. No I don't sell them, so don't ask.

I read my plants and adjust daily. I have a strong grasp on the needs of probably 13 different strains, and haven't had any issues in the past 4 years.

This isn't my first day at the races and I didn't fall for any hype. Hell, I don't even spend money on cloning gel or powder any more since I learned how to clone in water years ago.

I've just noticed a lot of additive-users on this board claiming a lot of improvements, and I thought I'd throw this idea out there.

To clarify, I'm not looking for a fix to any problem--I don't have a problem. I can pull 4oz./plant+ off 1/2 gallon bags of COCO all day. Outdoors we've done absolutely monsterous plants.

I'm simply wondering what the effects of a shot of Bloom would do at the end of veg would do...FF users make some pretty outrageous claims about their 3-part soluble bloom booster line, and I'm interested.

I appreciate your sentiment but I'm hardly a victim of marketing.

Word. I didn't mean to imply that you were a new grower, I was just speaking generally. I expect, if used as a supplement, similar results will come from both, all other factors being equal. Synth's are Synth's.

It seems product raves are rarely from established growers who have done at least an A-B, if not more scientific comparison; that makes it difficult to actually gauge the effectiveness of a product.

If you have everything dialed and are yielding so well as it is, adding anything else would likely result in diminishing returns. If it ain't broke, don't fix it etc....

 

[Guest]

Yeah Yeah Yeah ... everyone asking if they should put something on top of a bunch of other stuff has 10-20 years experience and roots in Northern Cali ... Step Up son and Take 1 for the team ... then come back to tell us what happens ... Someone has got to be First and I elect YOU ...

 

[brodus24]

I intend to try it out and let you know what happens.

I'd also love for you get rid of that chip on your shoulder that you hold onto--I know it gives you validation for your career as a 20-something net-jockey, but honestly, it makes you look foolish.

I'd also love to know what kind of breeding and growing experience you have, since you're calling mine into question. I'd love for you to tell me about the scene in Ukiah and the land along the Russian River above--since you seem to know a lot about it--we can compare notes and see who's bullshitting who. I'd love for you to tell me what kind of nutes were available in 1997, and what strains were being passed around.

In my world, people who invest as much energy as you bitching are really just bitches who parrot back what bitches before them bitched about.

Its kind of a infinite bitch circle jerk, and I elect YOU to leave the circle and smoke and grow more weed...you'd be amazed at how little time you have left to post disparaging on internet forums!

 

[Pig-Pen]

I intend to try it out and let you know what happens.

I'd also love for you get rid of that chip on your shoulder that you hold onto--I know it gives you validation for your career as a 20-something net-jockey, but honestly, it makes you look foolish.

I'd also love to know what kind of breeding and growing experience you have, since you're calling mine into question. I'd love for you to tell me about the scene in Ukiah and the land along the Russian River above--since you seem to know a lot about it--we can compare notes and see who's bullshitting who. I'd love for you to tell me what kind of nutes were available in 1997, and what strains were being passed around.

In my world, people who invest as much energy as you bitching are really just bitches who parrot back what bitches before them bitched about.

Its kind of a infinite bitch circle jerk, and I elect YOU to leave the circle and smoke and grow more weed...you'd be amazed at how little time you have left to post disparaging on internet forums!

You asked for opinions......well you got 'em.

4 paragraphs of bitching about bitchy bitching bitches? Wow. That's a good-sized chip.....

 

[Guest]

Hmmm ... I guess with the response I got Something I said rang true ... You can make up what you want and I'll know what I know ...

 

[Bubble Puppy]

cha-ching

cha-ching

One jar of Cha-Ching lasts quite a long time unless you doing tons of plants per run ,i like this product.How much better is it? Who knows .Also like the BioBizz Bio-Bloom and Topmax fertilizers,whatever works for ya ..

 

[brodus24]

I just pulled two of my test plants--one w/ the Schultz Bloom, one w/o--same cutting, same everything.

I'll post photos in a bit.

Final proof will be after its dry, but the Shultz plant does look fuller and more dense. The Shultz was applied just like ChaChing would be applied (i.e. just twice in the last few weeks of flower).