Dog dies after drinking organic runoff

[pico]

BTW, the dog's mom lives in the same house and is still alive. I don't think it was just an age related death.

 

[RetroGrow]

Bottom line is: you really have to watch you dogs carefully. They will eat anything. Chicken bones can kill, as can chocolate. I once had a small dog who ate an entire terrycloth towel. Don't know how she got it down, especially dry! A couple days later, it came out. At least the tip. I pulled the rest of it out, and still can't believe it 'till this day. What made her do that, I'll never know.

 

[Big Bud Bear]

very sorry for him,

i lost my girl a little over too months ago, and i've still upset with her loss daily. I had her for 12 years. actually before i read this thread i was pretty upset and thinking about her.. such a shame

Send him my regards, it will take him a long time to get better

I'm a lot worse now then i was a month ago, when the shock of the losesets it, it is hideous continuous feeling

 

[ixnay007]

I'm not stuck on "organic can do no harm", I didn't even imply that. I'm simply saying that the grand assumption being made here is done so without enough information.

Here's one. A man ate breakfast and then died the next day. Was his eating breakfast the cause of his death? Would he have not died had he not eaten breakfast the day before? There's simply too little information to draw a reasonable conclusion. Especially considering that if the garden in question is truly organic, there's nothing in the run-off that would kill a large dog overnight as described. Why try to force ill-matched puzzle pieces to fit together? What does that solve?

I've got some amazing land for sale in Florida, but you have to act fast because it won't last long!

Well, if said man had never eaten breakfast before in his life, or if it was breakfast for his houseplants, yeah I'd say there was more than a slightly tenuous connection between the two events.

The fact is, the dog didn't drink runoff every day, the dog got into the room, drank the water, became ill the same night (coincidence possibly, but being as this was the only out of the norm thing this dog had done that day...) then died later that night, making a connection between the two is not trying to jam wrong fitting puzzle pieces together.

There are substances in foods we eat without any side effects which are quite toxic for dogs, grapes and raisins, chocolate, coffee, the list goes on.

The things in organic plant food and runoff are not for mammalian consumption, at all. Most will probably pass through without issue, but some are quite possibly toxic.

BTW, I really don't want any land in florida, unless you'd like to trade for this nice bridge up in the NY area I happen to have the rights to.

 

[eskimo-ranger]

ouch, i wouldn't of ever thought drinking some organic nutrients would have that effect, send my condolences to your friend, i'll be sure to remember this information thanks for sharing your friends story...

 

[guest3589]

I am so sorry to hear of your friends loss.

Last year I brought home some new nutrients that I had not used before (fish emulsion) and my dog got into the bottle and consumed some. I got lucky that time, she was ok. I now keep everything locked up like there are little children around.

If I had seen this email first, I could have been spared the first hand lesson. Thank you for sharing this so others can avoid the potential tragedy.

 

[RealSupreme]

oohhhh ddaammmnnn , i love dogs ...What a bad luck!! I feel sorry for the loss of your friend! life...

 

[Pig-Pen]

There really was no conclusion made on my part I don't think. I just said that my friends dog drank some runoff in the grow room which it had never done before. Then the dog died the next day. I will let everyone draw their own conclusion but basically since the majority of the rooms in this house are dedicated to growing there really wasn't anything else for the dog to get in to except grow related equipment. My friend happened to leave one of the doors open and saw that the dog drank the water in the drain bucket. The dog got sick and died in the night.

Draw your own conclusion. My only purpose was to share a series of events and draw some awareness to dangers for animals in the grow room. The dog had been living in this house for a year and the only thing that changed was a grow room door was left open and the dog drank some runoff. Sure there is the slight chance that it could have ate something else unrelated, but that is a small chance.

The point was not to point fingers at organic nutrients or to make a blanket statement that organic nutrients will kill your animal. If that is the conclusion you see then you drew that yourself.

We know for a fact the dog drank the runoff. We don't see anything else it could have got in to. Now the dog obviously wasn't a puppy, but it wasn't sick or feeling especially old either. I know plenty of you have older dogs and if there is even the slightest chance that some runoff from the plants could cause harm I think I would want to know that.

Actually you did make a conclusion and it was:

This is just to let everyone know that dogs and nutrients don't mix. Even organic nutrients can kill an animal. Watch your dogs and keep them away from your nutrients.

Now there's a bunch of people needlessly scared that their nutes will kill their dog. Way to go!

 

[tacitocastillo]

I think the point here is take care of life and don't take it for granted, not to make people "needlessly scared" as you put it.

Personally I doubt the original poster or anyone else who has posted regards this story as a de facto indictment against organic nutrients, but the story still serves a very important purpose for those whom it can reach.

This reminds me of a family member who "died from drinking spoiled orange juice." It made them violently ill, the vomiting made their stomach bleed, and the stress of the stomach bleeding gave them a stroke which ultimately killed them. Now do we say the orange juice killed them? No. Do we sometimes keep ourselves up at night wishing we threw out that orange juice? Absolutely.

-TC

 

[eskimo-ranger]

i don't think people are needlessly scared... i think people needed to be educated....

its kinda like antifreeze if a dog drinks it... it will die... we all know that... my self and a lot of other people didn't know nutrients could kill a pet.... maybe not all of them will, but this is still some great food for thought IMOV... there is the chance this could save someone else dog... / pet from dieing the same way...

 

[guest3589]

Now there's a bunch of people needlessly scared that their nutes will kill their dog. Way to go!

Lets not take this under the microscope any longer as the point is to be a responsible grower and store chemicals in safe places & control access to those places. From my view always a good practice.

It's never a good idea to make leaps in logic, you are right about that. However in this case, lets just let the words of caution help those who can benefit from it. Somehow I don't get the feeling that there is a problem with people being more cautious with chemicals at home.

With respect to all,
-=+ES+=-

 

[Mr Celsius]

There really was no conclusion made on my part I don't think. I just said that my friends dog drank some runoff in the grow room which it had never done before. Then the dog died the next day. I will let everyone draw their own conclusion but basically since the majority of the rooms in this house are dedicated to growing there really wasn't anything else for the dog to get in to except grow related equipment. My friend happened to leave one of the doors open and saw that the dog drank the water in the drain bucket. The dog got sick and died in the night.

Draw your own conclusion. My only purpose was to share a series of events and draw some awareness to dangers for animals in the grow room. The dog had been living in this house for a year and the only thing that changed was a grow room door was left open and the dog drank some runoff. Sure there is the slight chance that it could have ate something else unrelated, but that is a small chance.

The point was not to point fingers at organic nutrients or to make a blanket statement that organic nutrients will kill your animal. If that is the conclusion you see then you drew that yourself.

We know for a fact the dog drank the runoff. We don't see anything else it could have got in to. Now the dog obviously wasn't a puppy, but it wasn't sick or feeling especially old either. I know plenty of you have older dogs and if there is even the slightest chance that some runoff from the plants could cause harm I think I would want to know that.

I realize where you're coming from and again am sorry that happened to your friend. But you still have not explained to us what organic nutrients he was using.

Petroleum is organic... so that phrase really doesn't count for what true organic growers see as organic.

BTW to the guy who said organics kill things all the time is well... for lack of a better word dumb; organic gardening is about decomposing and making nutrients available. Things like E. Coli come from non-composted products or anaerobic conditions; which is deadly, just like petroleum.

If you look at the most common organic ingredients, I doubt they will kill anything. Blood meal, Bone meal, Kelp meal and earthworm castings... not going to be killing anything.

 

[pico]

I found the name of the stuff. It is made by Nature’s Nectar and there is 3 bottles.

 

[The Pet]

You can spray some cayenne pepper mixed in water on and around your plants to keep dogs and cats away. Their highly powerful sense of smell really prevents them from being in contact with it very long. I've been doing this on my vegetable garden for years to keep outside animals away. My cat loves to eat my "indoor garden" so I had to spray down my plants with cayenne to make him stop.

The most important thing is that you have to remember that pets are like small kids. If they can get into something they're going to, and they don't have the sense to know its possibly lethal. Keep your chemicals elevated and don't allow pets in the grow environment.

I'm sorry for your friend's loss