Dry nutes.

[sophisto]

How many of you fellow growers out there prefer dry nutes mixed into the soil vs. feeding liquid nutes..

The advantages I see with liquid organic ferts is that maybe they are available quicker, and in a quick fix situation maybe they are the preferred method to get er up and back in the race.

The advantages of dry ferts seem to be that only straight water or mild tea feedings would be needed so long as the dry fert used was a complete nutrient ( FF peace of mind 555 or Dr earth's 444) for example..

The list of advantages or disadvantages could go on a on..




What is your opinions of pot grown in fertilized soil, vs. liquid fertilized soil or any other method of fertilization in soil ( teas, compost, etc...)??

This could get interesting......

 

[rckymtnthuglife]

Here's my flower mix more or less at least what I add as far as dry nutes. 1/2tbs of 8-4-1 Desert Bat Guano, 1tbs of FF POM 0-5-0 Guano, 1/2tbs of kelp powder 1-0-4 per gal of mix which is basically LC's mix. I do feed with ewc,compost, molasses teas at every watering...if they look like they need a boost I'll give em some kelp but not during stretch, or I'll add some of the 0-5-0 to the tea...or both. I don't use as much as Bongaloid's mix cuz I want to make sure...the nutes get used up. Guano ain't cheap...I feel like I get the most bang for my buck this way and the plants seem to love it.
Peace
Rcky

 

[sophisto]

I dont need mixes I need opinions, opinions on which fertilizer method produces better pot......

Recently I have been smoking on my buddies stash that has been grown with dry ferts and I gotta say that it is more tasty, stanky, and potent.

 

[Clackamas Coot]

How many of you fellow growers out there prefer dry nutes mixed into the soil vs. feeding liquid nutes..

What is your opinions of pot grown in fertilized soil, vs. liquid fertilized soil or any other method of fertilization in soil ( teas, compost, etc...)??

This could get interesting......

I mix the dry nutes into the soil mix at first because it was easier and made more sense to me than shaking & pouring something from a jug.

I also use compost teas to move things along.

But you ask an interesting question about the differences in growing methods.

Each year there are 2 different 'cannabis cups' contests in Oregon. One is conducted by the Oregon NORML chapter in Portland and the other is a MMJ group called Oregon Green Free and they're having their awards dinner this Saturday at a big hotel in downtown Portland. Big gala and all - WEE!

In any event in order to participate in the contest you have to provide 2 ounces of bud which they break into 1/2 gram bags and each of the 56 judges get a sample from each grower. There are 3 categories, i.e. Indica/Indica-Dominant, Sativa/Sativa-Dominant and Hash.

The judges get their packets sometime at the beginning of March and they have a form that they fill out for each entry. Taste, effect, how long does it lasts, medicinal value, etc.

Those forms are compiled and calculated. On the submission forms the grower describes what method(s) that were used to grow their buds. The methods used by the various growers is pretty amazing - from the organic purists to the shake a bottle, mix & pour operations. And of course there are the hydro-boys.

I'm not involved in judging either contest this year but I have done a couple over the past 5 years. What's really amazing in judging these entries is that more often than not the entries that wins are the plants which had the least amount of 'stuff' done to them.

Last year's winner of the OGF contest, for example, grows on a 4' x 8' table (almost exactly like the one Soma Seeds describes at their web site) filled with 18-20 cf of Black Gold soil, 3 ea 1000 watt lights and his nutrient of choice is, and always will be, MiracleGrow.

The guy grows fantastic medicine - there is no denying that. Would I want to grow using his soil or nutrients or methodology? Hardly - I wouldn't even waste my time & money on the amount of soil that he uses much less the whole misuse of Soma's table concept.

Even hanging around the MMJ clinics where everyone shows up with a bag of 'bragging rights' to share with others and again the methods used seem to make little difference in the final product.

One could make the argument I suppose that Oregon just doesn't have many professional growers and that is why someone breaking all the rules (so to speak) could grow buds that can win award.

No opinion from me - just an observation. I'm an organic purist mainly for health considerations, i.e. I won't use crab products because of the high levels of mercury in these products. I won't use bloodmeal or bone meal - again out of a personal choice and not because I think necessarily that fish meal is better than blood meal or that choosing one over the other is going to have a great effect on taste, aroma or medicinal value.

HTH

CC

 

[sophisto]

I mix the dry nutes into the soil mix at first because it was easier and made more sense to me than shaking & pouring something from a jug.

I also use compost teas to move things along.

But you ask an interesting question about the differences in growing methods.

Each year there are 2 different 'cannabis cups' contests in Oregon. One is conducted by the Oregon NORML chapter in Portland and the other is a MMJ group called Oregon Green Free and they're having their awards dinner this Saturday at a big hotel in downtown Portland. Big gala and all - WEE!

In any event in order to participate in the contest you have to provide 2 ounces of bud which they break into 1/2 gram bags and each of the 56 judges get a sample from each grower. There are 3 categories, i.e. Indica/Indica-Dominant, Sativa/Sativa-Dominant and Hash.

The judges get their packets sometime at the beginning of March and they have a form that they fill out for each entry. Taste, effect, how long does it lasts, medicinal value, etc.

Those forms are compiled and calculated. On the submission forms the grower describes what method(s) that were used to grow their buds. The methods used by the various growers is pretty amazing - from the organic purists to the shake a bottle, mix & pour operations. And of course there are the hydro-boys.

I'm not involved in judging either contest this year but I have done a couple over the past 5 years. What's really amazing in judging these entries is that more often than not the entries that wins are the plants which had the least amount of 'stuff' done to them.

Last year's winner of the OGF contest, for example, grows on a 4' x 8' table (almost exactly like the one Soma Seeds describes at their web site) filled with 18-20 cf of Black Gold soil, 3 ea 1000 watt lights and his nutrient of choice is, and always will be, MiracleGrow.

The guy grows fantastic medicine - there is no denying that. Would I want to grow using his soil or nutrients or methodology? Hardly - I wouldn't even waste my time & money on the amount of soil that he uses much less the whole misuse of Soma's table concept.

Even hanging around the MMJ clinics where everyone shows up with a bag of 'bragging rights' to share with others and again the methods used seem to make little difference in the final product.

One could make the argument I suppose that Oregon just doesn't have many professional growers and that is why someone breaking all the rules (so to speak) could grow buds that can win award.

No opinion from me - just an observation. I'm an organic purist mainly for health considerations, i.e. I won't use crab products because of the high levels of mercury in these products. I won't use bloodmeal or bone meal - again out of a personal choice and not because I think necessarily that fish meal is better than blood meal or that choosing one over the other is going to have a great effect on taste, aroma or medicinal value.

HTH

CC

Yeh eventually it comes down to the growers way with the plant... And yes no doubt about it the less you f with the plant the better they turn out..IMO

In my buddies case he was hooked on PBP ( non-organic) he only fed 1/2 strength and barely fed every feeding, he used LK almost every watering and also big bloom from fox farm....Oh yeh plus the occasional guano tea.

HE recently switched from that regime to a complete fertilizer 5-7-4 I believe, that contains all kinds of goodies ( alot of meals) and I have to say he grew the dankest you can find in this area but now with the dry ferts he has kicked it up a notch....

 

[Suby]

I am all about dry nutes, I think they are essential to grow the kind of herb I like.
If the plant needs something it's there, they don't need to wait for a feeding it's an all hours buffet graciously provided by the good folks at microherd central.

I find the real mark of a good grower and of a well dialed in setup is consistency.
It's easy to get lucky and have 1 batch of killer herb, trial and error eventually something pulls through perfectly for x and y reasons you can get a great crop of special nugs.
I want to see repeated success with matched taste and potency every time from clones only grows, I've seen a few ops like this and the herb was good all year round, top shelf everytime..but pricey lol.
That's actually what got me growing, the fact that there was so much variety and competition and techniques withing the culture that I was instantly hooked, I like to play around and test stuff out and change things up...the opposite of cosistency really.

S

 

[Clackamas Coot]

What I think would be a 'real grower's competition' would be that every grower would get 6 clones each from the same mother strain, grow that strain out, and then you would have a real test of a grower's ability or lack thereof.

I'll admit that on the 2 occasions that I was a judge that I leaned heavily towards the Indica-dominant strains and probably judged the Sativa strains more critically. I didn't necessarily come to the contest with completely clean hands but I doubt that any judge could. Quality is a pretty subjective thing.

 

[Suby]

The highs vary from strain to strain and pheno to pheno, some like it sleepy and chill others like hyper and psychadelic so yeah it`s subjective for sure.

I`ve had weed that way too "mental" for my liking (saw faces outside the window, HUGE time lapses, OC kind of high lol) I hated it but others might like the more narcotic high if it

I have found dry ferts to fortify the less is more approach to gardening, its a one time thing whereas liquid nutes require repeat mixing and you can fudge the quantities one time over the next etc, eventually you lose track unless you keep a journal.

I also think trich count plays a role in judging proper herb, I've grow and still grow poorly yielding strain because of the high.
They are potent enough for me to get an excellent hash yield, the bubble bags yield alot with just a bit while outdoor projects have been dissapointing in yield, again so many factors to consider.

S

 

[Suby]

What I think would be a 'real grower's competition' would be that every grower would get 6 clones each from the same mother strain, grow that strain out, and then you would have a real test of a grower's ability or lack thereof.

I'll admit that on the 2 occasions that I was a judge that I leaned heavily towards the Indica-dominant strains and probably judged the Sativa strains more critically. I didn't necessarily come to the contest with completely clean hands but I doubt that any judge could. Quality is a pretty subjective thing.

that would be badass, I would sign up for that

 

[Guest]

I recently made the switch from GH hydro to dry nutes in soil and am really happy with the results. I grew the same strain for a year and a half with GH before switching to organics and there's a noticeable difference in quality...to me anyway.

While I mix some stuff globally in the medium I mainly feed via bottom layers, spikes and top dressings. I was amazed how fast the microcritters processed the top dressing for the plant to start using. It was like 2-3 days before seeing some significant changes. I do use a dilute concentration of Liquid Karma and seaweed extract with 2 of 3 waterings and the third gets molasses only. I haven't used teas yet.

Super simple, effective and basically just add water...I'm tired of complicated.

I did pick up a high quality soil pH meter which has helped me understand some things better.

 

[Dignan]

Nice, Nondual. ^^

I've done it a few different ways but I think there's something to be said for a simple dry fertilizer program. In fact, my next go indoors will be nothing but Black Gold, coir, and POM 5-5-5.

My feeling is that a plant will adjust itself to the soil, nutrients, pH, and texture of the root zone. Any plant has the ability to dial itself in perfectly to an imperfect soil mix, as long as the soil mix isn't way off base.

My hunch is that you throw off the plant's/root zone's equillibrium each time you feed with a potent nutrient tea (not compost tea), unless you are feeding a very mild solution each watering.

I'm not saying you throw off the equillibrium significantly or that feeding with nutrient teas doesn't produce healthy plants and top-shelf fruits... it obviously does. I'm just saying I think there's something to be said for a soil mix that requires only water, and supplies the plant with a steady and consistent nutrient supply throughout its life.

What thinketh thee?

 

[Phish Dude]

man do both, use a blood/bone/kelp meal mix, and feed with compost tea or fish emulsions.
can you beat that??

 

[rckymtnthuglife]

I dont need mixes I need opinions, opinions on which fertilizer method produces better pot......

Recently I have been smoking on my buddies stash that has been grown with dry ferts and I gotta say that it is more tasty, stanky, and potent.

I gave you my opinion. The best way to fertilize IMHO is to use both dry ferts in the soil mix and compost teas. Next time you ask for an "opinion" expect an explanation along with it.

 

[rckymtnthuglife]

I mix the dry nutes into the soil mix at first because it was easier and made more sense to me than shaking & pouring something from a jug.........................................................

No opinion from me - just an observation. I'm an organic purist mainly for health considerations, i.e. I won't use crab products because of the high levels of mercury in these products. I won't use bloodmeal or bone meal - again out of a personal choice and not because I think necessarily that fish meal is better than blood meal or that choosing one over the other is going to have a great effect on taste, aroma or medicinal value.

HTH

CC

Exactly man....I use dry ferts because it's easy....and I hate pH meters. It's like making your own FFOF except you know exactly whats in it so it's better. After awhile you can really tailor a soil mix to a specific strains needs...after that all ya gotta do is watch'em grow.


Edit: I have to add you can make your tailored to all stages of growth. I have 3 different batches one for germ/seedling, veg and flower. Can't beat it once you have it dialed in. I like to start "light" on dry nutes and "Heavy" on teas, if need be, until I have a strain dialed in. If the plants needed the teas to be stronger, then I'll add more nutes to the dry mix....until I reach a point where all I have to do is feed with ewc and molasses teas, mostly to nurture the microherd.

 

[Guest]

I like to start "light" on dry nutes and "Heavy" on teas, if need be, until I have a strain dialed in. If the plants needed the teas to be stronger, then I'll add more nutes to the dry mix....until I reach a point where all I have to do is feed with ewc and molasses teas, mostly to nurture the microherd.

Solid advice!

 

[Guest]

I use both. Like above, I tend to go a bit lighter on the dry ferts so I can control things better, especially with long flowering sativas. I don't want a lot of HI nitrogen guano in my mix. Otherwise these sativas won't ever finish. Im still figuring it out though

pedro

 

[Guest]

I got a friend who was using an off the shelf liquid compost extract for his longer flowering sativas and it worked great. Basically that's all he fed em through flower.

 

[Dignan]

I got a friend who was using an off the shelf liquid compost extract for his longer flowering sativas and it worked great. Basically that's all he fed em through flower.

I know the guy you mean and I was surprised because I always scoff at anything bottled that's purported by the manufacturer to be highly bio-active... but... have to admit, that Liquid Compost he uses in conjunction with the Epsoma 5-3-3 did a bang-up job... and that LC is $7 per bottle. Can't beat that with a stick.

Dig

 

[sophisto]

I gave you my opinion. The best way to fertilize IMHO is to use both dry ferts in the soil mix and compost teas. Next time you ask for an "opinion" expect an explanation along with it.

Didnt expect youto take it so personal bro....No harm meant no harm done....

I have just seen threads turn and not come back to the point as have you I am sure.

Your input is appreciated.

 

[sophisto]

HEre a couple dry ferts I am interested in trying out...

Dr earth 5-7-3

Dr earth 4-10-3

Dr earth 4-4-4

They have some really tasty looking complete dry fert mixes...