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Fort Bragg, Cal. Council members split over taking sides on Measure B - Here we go...

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For all you readers of High Times Magazine, who have been brainwashed into thinking that NorCal is Ganja Heaven... Easy as Pie. Unfortunately, not.

Note the below article....

This is REAL. And a potential REAL BUMMER, as a precedent.

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Council members split over taking sides on Measure B

Article Last Updated: 04/03/2008 08:06:48 AM PDT

On March 24, Fort Bragg City Council was the first city government in Mendocino County to go on record supporting Measure B. The marijuana measure, designed to repeal Measure G, the "Personal Use of Marijuana Initiative," was approved by the Board of Supervisors in January to be put on the June ballot.
Police Chief Mark Puthuff opened the presentation by stating the Public Safety Committee had discussed Measure B and had "immense dialog in support" of it. They brought the matter before the council for them to consider adding their support.
Chief Puthuff said he was concerned about the perception that "Mendocino County has become a haven for commercial pot growers." As a result, he listed a litany of problems, including environmental contamination, chemical exposures, costly cleanup, property crimes and home invasions.
Later, he answered Councilwoman Meg Courtney's question, "What does Measure B mean to the chief?"
"It's a step in the right direction for [law] enforcement to take on [marijuana] issues in our own community," Puthuff said. "A lot of grows we're seeing are in the 8,000 number."
Overall, public input was similar, if not identical, to what Fourth District Supervisor Kendall Smith and Fifth District David Colfax have heard repeatedly from inland residents. The stage and the players were different, but the script read the same.
Fort Bragg residents who attended described some of the unintended out-of-control consequences of their vote for Measure G — smelly and clearly visible pot gardens adjacent to their back yards, vicious dog encounters, the potential of young children being exposed to dangerous situations, teenagers employed by growers paying more money than they can make with reputable jobs, transient activities and living in fear of something worse.
Several people voiced the opinion that Measure B, which reduces the number of allowable plants from 25 down to six (the same as the state), would encourage more indoor grows, drive pot prices up, make it more profitable and would not deter commercial growing.
Paula Deeter, co-owner of Fort Bragg's Herban Legend, the remaining medical marijuana dispensary in the county, and candidate for Fourth District supervisor, was one of them. She requested the city remain neutral on the issue.
Measure G was the first voter-approved effort to decriminalize marijuana for medical and personal recreational use and cultivation anywhere in the U.S. It passed with a 58-42 percent margin by voters in November 2000.
The belief by Measure B supporters is that it would begin a reversal of a trend since 2000 towards large production gardens on private lands and increasing public safety problems.
The Board of Supervisors' decision (Fifth District Supervisor David Colfax dissented) to place a repeal Measure G option on the ballot will allow citizens to revisit their feelings about the expansiveness of the original initiative.
For the Dec. 11, 2007 Board of Supervisors meeting, City of Willits Mayor Holly Madrigal wrote, "The Willits City Council supports placing this repeal measure before the voters on the June ballot," to limit marijuana cultivation. Ukiah City Council member Benj Thomas read a letter of support for the repeal initiative from Mayor Douglas Crane.
Fast forward to the Fort Bragg City Council March 24 meeting when representatives from both Ukiah and Willits city councils reported during the public comment period that neither of their cities had yet to vote either way, but they were "personally" lobbying Fort Bragg to go on record in support. A verbal list of elected officials who are personally supporting Measure B was given, but they have not formally endorsed it as governmental bodies.
When the discussion returned to the council table, it was Councilman Jere Melo who advanced the vote with a motion to support that was seconded by Vice Mayor Dave Turner. Mayor Doug Hammerstrom was the sole "no" vote.
Melo explained his position.
"We really have a mess in this county. I'm willing to stand up and say we need to turn this around. We have to stand up for law enforcement," Melo said. "We have a serious public safety enforcement problem we need to address. This is the way at this time."
Turner said, "It [Measure G] was a good idea, almost. It didn't work out. It's time to call an end to that experiment."
Mayor Hammerstrom felt there were many reasonable arguments on both sides, but that individual speakers were addressing problems Measure B will not solve.
"It doesn't seem like our role. I don't feel comfortable being the referee. It's for the people to decide; not for councils to say how to vote," Hammerstrom said.
Courtney said she is very concerned about the public nuisance and environmental disaster.
"I don't understand why it's not legal," Courtney said. "The public should decide."
Councilman Dan Gjerde said, "We're hearing [about] some real problems in our neighborhood tonight. If Measure G loopholes limit the ability of the district attorney and police department to deal with it, I do want to repeal G. The cities need more flexibility in dealing with it in urban areas."
 
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UNforch, they are the majority now.

The town they voted in is a right-wing town. It would be amazing and sad to see what happens to the local economy.... It already is a ghost town, because of the fading (hopefully) logging trade, the lobotomized incestuous local trucker mentality, and the extreme lack of culture.

Very little of NorCal is now comfortable with the laws the way they were (more people oriented, medical-slant, realistic). Mostly because of the media hype regarding private safety where Ganja is being grown.

Almost all Cities are against any pot clubs...

In the Mendo Coastal area, there is only ONE Cannabis Medical Club.... This tells you something about the realities of the scene up there.

420 is not really tolerated as much anymore, and the vote coming up (WHICH WAS PUT ON THE BALLOT WITHOUT THE REQUISITE SIGNATURES BEING OBTAINED - ONLY A UNILATERAL COUNCIL DECISION) may prove to be a precedent, and this worries me.

Plan B....?
 
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The June election will be telling if "they" really are the majority. The there are 2 lawsuits against the measure claiming it's unconstitiuional because it has 2 subject matters. People need to vote to keep out freedom.
 
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Privacy and/or isolation has a lot to do with the large number grows imo, the state is so populated its hard to hide that kind of grow in any area thats less rural. You arent ever going to irradicate large scale grows there so I dont know what they think lowering the plant count will do. Fact is there is a major problem with gangs doing guerilla grows in the forests, and they are the ones causing all they damage and safety concerns. I dont see who its hurting if some guys got a 50 light setup all running on genys or a greeny full of herb on his plot of land. Clearly the people there would be pissed if this passed, the national and local economies are so screwed ppl have to grow just to pay tha bills. I dont see it happening tho. Wish they would make a better state wide guideline along the lines of 99 pcl, 5 lbs dried, no canopy or light restrictions. LOL thatd be the day.
 
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Coconuts has a handle on it.... There are large grows in federal/state land, no secret there. Never nice for hiking tourists to encounter a grow. With all the trimmings.. lol

Weapons, and lots of enviornmental destruction. Other drugs, campers all set up for the season. This being eradicated would be excellent. If that is the focus of LEOs, then I and many others will be happy.

Unforch, it looks like the private grower may suffer.

Local Law enforcement, although seeningly "Gung Ho" about the new control, is not looking forward to having to devote most all of their energy and funds to this - instead of other problems, some rather more dangerous to the community.

Family growers, peaceful citizens, and medical growers do not deserve to suffer for the greed and heinous trespassing that takes place in SOME places, and gives MJ and the "Movement" a bad name.

Oh well, we will adjust.
 

DimeBag65

You will not be forgotten
Veteran
since when was prop 215 the problem... these ass munchers just dont get it...

people have been growing thousands of plants for a long time, if you get caught with that many no medical laws are going to save your ass, so they are beating around a bush, and a very small one at that.

if medical pot was done away with, there would be the same people growing the same huge crops, nothing stops us, EVER, FTF!

they are trying to kill the vibe that medical mj is ok in the community, they cant fight what will never be stopped.

all the county's just need to decriminalize cannabis so the local leo can get onto real problems like violent crime.

this has been a fight from the beginnining, its just finally being pushed into people faces and they dont like it.

Peace and pot
 
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bigbrokush

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Well I wish all of the growers up North good luck when this comes up. Because I think that it would kill of the people up there and that town and all around it would go under. Most of the money come from Marijuana.
 

HerbGlaze

Eugene Oregon
Veteran
Wow.. such a beautiful county, I always stop by that Herben Legend place when I go down there to see my sis
 
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EVERYBODY MUST VOTE THIS OUT.

NO ON MEASURE B.

Tell yr' Boss that on that day, you need to go vote. Tell yr' Boss now. Tell yr' friends in Mendo to vote. It's gonna be close, I surmise.
 
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Thanks for chiming in, but sorry Mr. Celsius, you are mistaken.

Going into someone's thread to quash someone who follows the political scene in their county is pretty lame.. Especially from someone outside of the area....

I am all for exchanging of ideas, but please remember to include the phrase "In My Humble Opinion" before an authoritative statement like that...
& Please have solid information before you quote High Times Magazine....

It is NOT most of the population that grows.. Nice dream.. Not at all like that.

This is a very real threat.

I see absolutely NO reason to be heartened by any past successes. Things are changing.

The post was started for informational reasons.

Let us all remember humility and discussion is the route to all learning.
 
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icysurfer said:
Thanks for chiming in, but sorry Mr. Celsius, you are mistaken.

Going into someone's thread to quash someone who follows the political scene in their county is pretty lame.. Especially from someone outside of the area....

I am all for exchanging of ideas, but please remember to include the phrase "In My Humble Opinion" before an authoritative statement like that...
& Please have solid information before you quote High Times Magazine....

It is NOT most of the population that grows.. Nice dream.. Not at all like that.

This is a very real threat.

I see absolutely NO reason to be heartened by any past successes. Things are changing.

The post was started for informational reasons.

Let us all remember humility and discussion is the route to all learning.
That is the truth. People getting busted everyday up here with grows big and small. The question I'd like to know is how many are convicted?
 
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They are called "Shopping Excursions." Look at the Memo Parker resolution to see how high the profits are for local governments.... Shocking, how obvious it is....

Below, a new development in the above Measure B situation from Ukiah's City Council.
 
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Ukiah City Council to take another look at Measure B

Ukiah City Council to take another look at Measure B

Ukiah City Council to take another look at Measure B


By BEN BROWN The Daily Journal (Ukiah)

Article Last Updated: 04/08/2008 08:37:50 AM PDT

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The Ukiah City Council will once again consider endorsing Measure B at its next meeting on April 16.

The decision to reconsider endorsement comes just weeks after the Fort Bragg City Council voted to endorse Measure B. The Willits City Council is scheduled to discuss endorsing the measure on Wednesday.

Measure B, which was placed on the ballot by the Mendocino County Board of Supervisors in January, would repeal Measure G and set medical marijuana limits in Mendocino County at the state limits of six mature or 12 immature plants and eight ounces of dried marijuana.

Measure G, which was passed by Mendocino County voters in 2000, instructed law enforcement to make the prosecution of marijuana gardens of 25 plants or fewer the lowest possible priority.

Last year, the Board of Supervisors used Measure G as a guide to set county medical marijuana possession limits at 25 plants per parcel and two-pounds of dried marijuana.

Although all five Ukiah council members said they personally support Measure B, the City Council in February put off the decision on whether or not to endorse Measure B in order to organize a forum on the subject.

That forum is set for 6:30 p.m. on April 14. Members of both sides of the argument have been invited to share their arguments and answer questions from the audience.

Supporters of Measure B say it's passage would correct a perception that Mendocino County is a good place to grow marijuana and help put a stop to increasing


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commercial marijuana growing in the county.
Opponents say the passage of Measure B would take law enforcement resources away from more important problems and make anyone in possession of more than six medical marijuana plants a felon.

Opponents also say Measure B will have no impact on large scale commercial marijuana grows.

The election has been scheduled for June 3.
 

kevlar99

New member
B is for bad, G is for good. born and raised in this beautiful place and thing have gotten around here lately. Hope all these people flooding mendo are registering to vote. This is the only economy for this area we must protect it. When people come here to blow it up it ruins it for everyone. lets keep mendo respected place and a place like no other vote to save your rights to sacred herbs. these yes on b idiots are organized assholes, lets shut them down!!!!!!!!
 
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Yes on B is organized. I see a lot of yes on B signs. Of course I don't think anybody would want to put themselves on blast and put a no on B sign in their front yard but I have a bad feeling about the election. The City councils support it and the newspapers as well. Tell your friends to regester to vote or they have no excuse to complain. That goes for all general elections.
 

kevlar99

New member
the daily journal is the worst possible excuse for journalism, the fact that they endorse it is because their the ones who organized measure b. The organization needs to be through forums like this and the events that are set up insupport of no on measure b. Check out the website for noonb.org for a list of upcoming events.
 
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The noonb.org website isn't registered. Is there another link?

edit- found it-- nomeasureb.org
 
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thx a bunch kevlar for running with this - We simply MUST stand against the oldsters.....

VOTE.
 
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