rckymtnthuglife
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This is what I heard from the owner of my grow store. He also said the jacked up his wholesale price 27%...I haven't bought their shit in years...just thought I'd pass the piece. 
AN to be made in China
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maryj315
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I thought the whole reason for companies having their stuff made in China was, so they could have their product made cheaper. So they could remain competitive in a global market. So they are going to up the price and you don't get the quality that goes into it. I do not use it. But I would not mind using it if the price goes down
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Use some crap from china LOL. The only organic thing about that is there will be human feces inside. Mercury is organic and a whopping dose of lead. Lets Hope the store owner is wrong.
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Why is this posted in the organic forum? its all hersay untill i see a sticker on the bottle that says made in china .
fwiw
i just got 2.25 lbs off a 1k using just the iguana juice
fwiw
i just got 2.25 lbs off a 1k using just the iguana juice
OriginalyPosted said:
why not? would you want to be kept in the dark about your nute? i think it needs further research and conclusions can not be drawn by a label. just because it doesnt say "made in china" doesnt mean it isnt made in china.
i like the fact that homemade black gold compost and ewc are really made in america. at leastfor me. in my quest to leave bottled ferts i have a huge savings and now its even cheaper to grow my meds.
i still dont know why AN is so expensive. maybe it has to do with the label design of something. for some reason i just dont believe that every product they have is better than anything else on the market. people claim larger yields with these products but at what cost?
i have seen alot of misinformation with AN already so this step wouldnt suprise me. it just makes me cringe to think of herb loaded up with that line of nutes. if we went by the AN nute schedule, the cost would be outrageous.
sorry you had to learn the hard way mr.c. but at least you learned from your mistakes. i will take note from your expiriences and others. put my funds elsewhere.
sorry you had to learn the hard way mr.c. but at least you learned from your mistakes. i will take note from your expiriences and others. put my funds elsewhere.
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AN ftl.
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jdubz206
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If AN does go to China, I will stop using their products. Until then, I'm really digging their whole deal. I think the advertising and testimonials on their site are a bit overkill, but hey this is a business and they're taking a different approach then many others. I didn't use any AN products during my 1st grow mainly because I heard so much crap about them on this site and how expensive their products are. I just recently picked up a few of their additives and I'm extremely happy with the results so far. Honestly, AN makes a great product. All of their products are\were designed specifically for use with cannabis. Their research was done in Canada WITH medical marijuana. In my opinion, that means a lot. When I went and decided to pick up a few AN products, I was surprised because they really weren't that expensive at all. I grabbed Sweet Leaf for $21.99\liter. Sweet goes for $19.99. The ingredients are pretty similar except Sweet Leaf has some b vitamins, ash, and uses 4 types of carbohydrate sources instead of 1. You only use 8-12 ml\gallon of Sweet Leaf during flower, with Sweet I believe it was 15-20. The guy at the grow shop was showing me how concentrated the AN products are. That's why I think they are more expensive. You only need to use 1-2 tsp per gallon of most of their products compared to 1-2 tablespoons that is used with competitors. This local group of growers uses strictly Iguana Juice and their bud is the top notch. It's the best you can find in town and the best I've ever smoked. I'm finishing up a round of PBP, next grow I'm using FF nutes just because I have them lying around and want to use them up. After that, I'm going to try mainly AN products and see what type of results I get. The most expensive thing I would have to buy from AN would be about $35\liter. A bit more expensive but with the quality of the product, the research that went into it, and the highly concentrated formulas, it doesn't seem too bad.
i just dont believe it takes that much stuff to grow good ganja. i mean, we are talking about a weed. in every industry there is a company that charges more saying the product is superior but i just dont see the reason to invest so much money into a garden. i see the point if a commercial grower is tryin to boost yields by a few percent because that small amount is valuable.
but i garden organically and part of the attraction(for me) is not having a bunch of nute bottles and fertilizer purchases. a box of guano and a few meals and im not applying nearly as much ferts period. just a few shots of compost tea and they are happy. An AN organic line seems like cheating to me.
now i must admit that i have used AN products in the past but my results didnt offset the cost.
but i garden organically and part of the attraction(for me) is not having a bunch of nute bottles and fertilizer purchases. a box of guano and a few meals and im not applying nearly as much ferts period. just a few shots of compost tea and they are happy. An AN organic line seems like cheating to me.
now i must admit that i have used AN products in the past but my results didnt offset the cost.
rckymtnthuglife
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OriginalyPosted said:
In the organic forum...I believe it is our goal to produce quality marijuana using the purest organic methods available. IMO, nothing you buy in a bottle can be guaranteed organic...I don't care what company or what sticker it has on it. With that being said, I posted this spread as an attempt to find the truth about the matter, I never declared it to be the truth. This is simply what I heard from a grow store owner I have known for years...we were simply shooting the shit... after he resolved an issue I was having with a new ballast. Gotta couple questions for ya...Do they put made in China on dog food bags? Do they put a sticker on a package of meat that has been injected with hormones...milk? chickens? Hmmm, maybe I'll touch my stove when it's red hot...there's not a sticker on it telling me not to. Lastly, I grow for quality...not so much for quantity....but I've found with quality comes quantity, not always true the other way around.
AN took normal nutrients and broke them into multiple,overpriced bottles.
I don't know anybody that's ever got great results from AN,but I can note quite a few people that have fucked up their gardens with it.
I've been offered AN,gratis,and I could barely stop laughing to decline.
Imo it's absolute garbage,but it's well-marketed garbage,and we all know that a pretty (lame,airbrushed) picture of a skeletal pirhana on a bottle must grow killer pot,right?
Two things are for sure: If they do source nutes in China,they won't be up to spec (probably lead and mercury-laden!) and AN won't ever own it in print.
I don't know anybody that's ever got great results from AN,but I can note quite a few people that have fucked up their gardens with it.
I've been offered AN,gratis,and I could barely stop laughing to decline.
Imo it's absolute garbage,but it's well-marketed garbage,and we all know that a pretty (lame,airbrushed) picture of a skeletal pirhana on a bottle must grow killer pot,right?
Two things are for sure: If they do source nutes in China,they won't be up to spec (probably lead and mercury-laden!) and AN won't ever own it in print.
maryj315
Member
hey rez you have a pretty cool logo as a matter of fact. I own five pit bulls myself blue, white American pitbull's father is registered blue blonde only reason why I am telling you this. The first pack of seeds I bought from here was from you sour diesels, and it was because of your logo. So I agree with you a cool logo does help marketing product.
yep. the business gets shadier everyday. i think mr celsius is right, go with GH if you want quality nutes. i mean, NASA does use the stuff in space. and no that isnt just a marketing scheme(although they use ut as such). i have a few family members employed at johnsons and they attest. there is a reason why one of the better funded orginizatons uses the product. As for AN, nah.
My local hydro shop owner friend and I where having this conversation, he said there are increases in prices for both GH and AN and that GH has cut back in quality since last year, they have a new cheaper to make formulation.
I don't put alot of trust in what any nute line says of does, if I had to pick I would go GH just because the Lucac/pH formula worked well in bubblers, the most amazing growers on this site do it with NO additives.
I think there is some clout to some hydroponic nute lines being "pure" even more so than some organic nute lines, there are some bad organic nutes out there high in mercury, arsenic, moslty due to fish content or unpure organic food sources.
Quality is at the top of everyone's priority list, even hydro growers can mix their own nutes from refined mineral, if hydro was my thing I would take that direction, maybe for once I wouldn't need 2 bottles of storebought to do what I can make in 1 bucket.
Organics are hard to beat if your cheap, mix some soil, brew some tea, make some castings, you start and stop and go as far as you want, but it's hypocritical for me to say organic nutes in a bottle are better than hydro nutes in a bottle...
You have to check them out online, there is a listing site for mineral content, it's up to us to check it regualrly and chose something safe,
Peace
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I don't put alot of trust in what any nute line says of does, if I had to pick I would go GH just because the Lucac/pH formula worked well in bubblers, the most amazing growers on this site do it with NO additives.
I think there is some clout to some hydroponic nute lines being "pure" even more so than some organic nute lines, there are some bad organic nutes out there high in mercury, arsenic, moslty due to fish content or unpure organic food sources.
Quality is at the top of everyone's priority list, even hydro growers can mix their own nutes from refined mineral, if hydro was my thing I would take that direction, maybe for once I wouldn't need 2 bottles of storebought to do what I can make in 1 bucket.
Organics are hard to beat if your cheap, mix some soil, brew some tea, make some castings, you start and stop and go as far as you want, but it's hypocritical for me to say organic nutes in a bottle are better than hydro nutes in a bottle...
You have to check them out online, there is a listing site for mineral content, it's up to us to check it regualrly and chose something safe,
Peace
S
Suby said:
I know your hydro guy lays down a lot of good information and knows what he's talking about most of the time. But, GH hasn't changed their formula and its the exact same NPK's and nutrient sources.
Flora Bloom:
Magnesium Phosphate, Phosphoric Acid, Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Potassium Sulfate, Magnesium Carbonate, Magnesium Sulfate
Flora Grow:
Ammonium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Phosphate, Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Potassium Sulfate, Magnesium Carbonate, Magnesium Sulfate
Flora Micro:
Ammonium Molybdate, Calcium Nitrate, Cobalt Nitrate, Copper Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Calcium Carbonate, Manganese EDTA, Iron EDDHA, Iron DPTA
Same as they've always been. AN uses the same ingredients for their base nutrients, they just happen to be horribly expensive.
Reading all those ingredients makes me happy I'm an organic grower
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swampdank said:
Its just like throwing a stake to a bunch of wolves is all of course no one
in the ORGANIC forum is gonna like AN get yer bash on i dont care .
im just saying i get good results with what i use so to me its worth it the labels didnt sell me the finished product did
lots of people using the i grow for quality not quantity line these days and thats cool i like quality as much as the next guy where i live im surrounded
by organic freaks who do there own little custum mixs so ive heard it all before ive smoked plenty of weed grown with just about every kind of fert out there . iguana just does the job for me buds taste how i like them to
dont really care if its popular in hydrostores or on the net i will keep using it
untill somthing "better" comes along.
mabye its hard to find a list of stuff on the net but theres a pretty long list of ingredients on the side of the bottle and its got most of the stuff in it that people tell me to go out and buy like alfalfa ,yucca krill and what not .Mr Celsius said:
I dont nothing about the tech parts not a book smart guy but i do know swag from dank .
PS ya know browndirtwarrior used advanced nutrients to grow the plants in all his videos .
pps i was joking about the lable thing kinda since ya dont buy an you probably havent seen the made in usa stickers they put on over the made in canada ones that used to be on thier bottles .
