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Blunted22
if you use regular water instead of RO water will it kill the Mycorrhizal Fungi?
wygram said:
they all do.
thoes dont kill off the benies like the chlorine does.
doesnt mean it the best grow conditions.
just poney up a few bucks for some RO/distileld
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Blunted22
ive had a RO and need to get a new one i havent had ro water for like 3 weeks and need to get a new one i guess m Fungi is amazing...
http://www.growingedge.com/magazine/back_issues/view_article.php3?AID=190127
Don't Kill Your Microbiology
Organic gardeners using bio-extraction solutions or compost teas should use purified water. Anyone gardening with living micro-organisms such as beneficial bacteria, fungi, nematodes, mycorrhizae, and trichoderma must have chlorine-free and contaminant-free water in order for those helpful microbes to survive and flourish. Unfortunately, it's a rare grower who with a water source that's perfect for her prized plants. Letting city water sit out overnight may get rid of some free chlorine, but this technique won't work to reduce levels of chloramines or other contaminants in the water.
What are the applications of chloramines?
Chloramines can be used as bleach, disinfectants and oxidators.
Water disinfection with chloramines
When chloramines are used as a disinfectant, ammonia is added to chlorine treated water. Ammonia is added after chlorine, because this causes CT values to be lower than when ammonia is added primarily.
Chloramines are as effective as chlorine for the deactivation of bacteria and other microorganisms, however the reaction mechanism is slower. Chloramines, like chlorine, are oxidators. Chloramines can kill bacteria by penetration of the cell wall and blockage of the metabolism. Monochloramine is the most effective disinfectant. It reacts directly with amino acids in the bacterial DNA.
Is drinking water disinfected using chloramines?
United States
Chloramines are applied more and more often in the United States as an alternative for chlorine during secundary disinfection of drinking water. in the year 2002, 20% of the US drinking water production companies used chloramines.
Don't Kill Your Microbiology
Organic gardeners using bio-extraction solutions or compost teas should use purified water. Anyone gardening with living micro-organisms such as beneficial bacteria, fungi, nematodes, mycorrhizae, and trichoderma must have chlorine-free and contaminant-free water in order for those helpful microbes to survive and flourish. Unfortunately, it's a rare grower who with a water source that's perfect for her prized plants. Letting city water sit out overnight may get rid of some free chlorine, but this technique won't work to reduce levels of chloramines or other contaminants in the water.
What are the applications of chloramines?
Chloramines can be used as bleach, disinfectants and oxidators.
Water disinfection with chloramines
When chloramines are used as a disinfectant, ammonia is added to chlorine treated water. Ammonia is added after chlorine, because this causes CT values to be lower than when ammonia is added primarily.
Chloramines are as effective as chlorine for the deactivation of bacteria and other microorganisms, however the reaction mechanism is slower. Chloramines, like chlorine, are oxidators. Chloramines can kill bacteria by penetration of the cell wall and blockage of the metabolism. Monochloramine is the most effective disinfectant. It reacts directly with amino acids in the bacterial DNA.
Is drinking water disinfected using chloramines?
United States
Chloramines are applied more and more often in the United States as an alternative for chlorine during secundary disinfection of drinking water. in the year 2002, 20% of the US drinking water production companies used chloramines.
BonsaiBud
Member
Will it kill Mycorrhizal? fo shizzle!
No, seriously, I bet a UV sterilizer will kill it. This is just a baby size model.
Go to www.thatfishplace.com
I don't think I saw it on the website, but in their 2 latest catalogs they have the Current Gamma line of UV sterilzers. Get the big one for $168.99
It uses a 40 watt T5 germicidal (260 nm), has 2 inch input and output, and is rated at 2880 gph max flow. I would just plumb it into your res if you use recirc. You could use glass fish tanks for deep water culture and run the water temp at 80 degrees and not have any root rot or algae. KILL IT WITH UV!
No, seriously, I bet a UV sterilizer will kill it. This is just a baby size model.
Go to www.thatfishplace.com
I don't think I saw it on the website, but in their 2 latest catalogs they have the Current Gamma line of UV sterilzers. Get the big one for $168.99
It uses a 40 watt T5 germicidal (260 nm), has 2 inch input and output, and is rated at 2880 gph max flow. I would just plumb it into your res if you use recirc. You could use glass fish tanks for deep water culture and run the water temp at 80 degrees and not have any root rot or algae. KILL IT WITH UV!
Woody Creek
Member
get a fish tank. great for making teas 
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rule35sub1
My bacteria does fine in tap water.
how can you tell that it is alive?
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rule35sub1
you get a film on the water, or if u add some molasses, there is foam in the res a couple days later.
rule35sub1 said:
LOL@
go back and re-take biology, i think u failed the first time.
then
rule35sub1 said:
ohh maybe its the BAD bacteria u meant when u said;
rule35sub1 said:
thats what the foam is bad bacteria, eating the free carbs in the water.
i bet your res is warms, higher then 80 even, it takes some heat to get foam!
you guys might enjoy the sticky at the top
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=5690
its some light reading on micorizzah alot of info on the who, what, and wheres of it, and things it likes and dosent like, and what it does to help your plant get more food.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=5690
its some light reading on micorizzah alot of info on the who, what, and wheres of it, and things it likes and dosent like, and what it does to help your plant get more food.
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rule35sub1
Hey digi, before you go knocking my words, take a look at my grows, all tap water all the time, complete bio systems, water is 68F at all times, no bad bacteria to speak of. Proof is in the plants baby!
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rule35sub1
Why don't you all go read bigtokes info on bacteria and water sticky in the hydro section.
bongorilla
Member
watch the storage temps on your RO water too. mine hit 80's in thier storage tank and I can see biological growth going on and I guarantee any water at 80f is doomed. I'm pretty sure my filters and everything are contaminated now so i'm gonna gamma filter everything before it goes to the res. which is kept at 64f and has active benefical cultures and enzymes.
I'm gonna have to chill the storage tank or gamma filter it before it hits the res.
true there are active cultures in the res that will probably wipe out the bad bacteria but I'd rather gamma filter it to be on the safe side. gamma filters can go for less than $100 and if you're storing your ro above or at 80f watch out and keep an eye on your filters for biological activity.
I'm gonna clean out my whole system and either chill the stored ro or gamma filter it.
I'm gonna have to chill the storage tank or gamma filter it before it hits the res.
true there are active cultures in the res that will probably wipe out the bad bacteria but I'd rather gamma filter it to be on the safe side. gamma filters can go for less than $100 and if you're storing your ro above or at 80f watch out and keep an eye on your filters for biological activity.
I'm gonna clean out my whole system and either chill the stored ro or gamma filter it.
i read that a year ago.rule35sub1 said:
tap water usualy sucks, especialy in cities, i dont care how well things grow the biology is the heavy metals and other bs in city water isnt helpful in anyway.
whats with the neg attitude this motherfucker was trying to help you, you say your shits cold but you still have foam.
Aaronponic
Member
I have noticed trichoderma bacteria causing my reservoir to foam at cold (68F) temperatures (with good tap water), so I am sure there are many different beneficial bacteria that could do that.
I don't want to speak directly about Mycorrhizal as, I don't have a lot of experience with those specifically, but I know that my tap water does not kill many other beneficials. I live in the Pacific Northwest however, so YMMV, we have real good water from the tap.
I don't want to speak directly about Mycorrhizal as, I don't have a lot of experience with those specifically, but I know that my tap water does not kill many other beneficials. I live in the Pacific Northwest however, so YMMV, we have real good water from the tap.
lucky, ive had foam a few times...always followed by pythium or some form of damping off.... always because my res was too hot/and/or/light getting into the res. it could be a number of things helping cause the foam i suppose. enzymes help break down alot of thoes types of problems IME, along with some fulvic....Aaronponic said:
