Sustainable organic ingredients.
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Pimpslapped
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jaykush said:no one likes the hammer and a thick bag, be powder in no time
Oh, I like the idea... I just wanna keep from having my neighbors wondering why I'm pounding bags on the sidewalk. I don't have any good spots to pound on things in my apt, everything is carpeted.
muddy waters
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Pimpslapped, you can tell them you're making your own oyster shell dust to take as a health supplement. They sell powdered oyster shell in pill form you know... expensive as hell though... you could say you're doing that because your doctor recommended it... just a thought
TOW, my answer to your overdose of hydrated lime would be to double pot: start seedlings in a very neutral mix, just worm castings and aeration materials or a standard good potting soil cut with a little perlite or substitute, put them in small containers with ample drainage holes, and when they're at around the 4th or 5th node, iow adulthood, place that container right on top of the 10 gal one you already mixed. I think that the soil in the 10 gal will find an equilibrium by then, and an adult plant has a greater ability to deal with more concentrated minerals in the substrate as well.
TOW, my answer to your overdose of hydrated lime would be to double pot: start seedlings in a very neutral mix, just worm castings and aeration materials or a standard good potting soil cut with a little perlite or substitute, put them in small containers with ample drainage holes, and when they're at around the 4th or 5th node, iow adulthood, place that container right on top of the 10 gal one you already mixed. I think that the soil in the 10 gal will find an equilibrium by then, and an adult plant has a greater ability to deal with more concentrated minerals in the substrate as well.
Dave_the_stoner
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I just read this whole thread, damn it's packed with good info!!!
The only thing I can think of worth adding is back of the subject of coco, and how some folks can't find it locally.
I can't think of brand names right now but it's available in bricks at most pet shops, they sell it as "reptile bedding". I know this from my studies into mycology, it is often used as a casing/ bulk substrate. I'm not sure if it's ideal for planting in, but it's worth looking into.
If your curious about brands you can ask in one of the mushroom growers forums.
Theres my $0.02 in this conversation.
peace
The only thing I can think of worth adding is back of the subject of coco, and how some folks can't find it locally.
I can't think of brand names right now but it's available in bricks at most pet shops, they sell it as "reptile bedding". I know this from my studies into mycology, it is often used as a casing/ bulk substrate. I'm not sure if it's ideal for planting in, but it's worth looking into.
If your curious about brands you can ask in one of the mushroom growers forums.
Theres my $0.02 in this conversation.
peace
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TheOneWill
Thanks, I got seeds in the soil now and they seem pretty fine. I'm just waiting for my kelp meal to come in. Also I got to order my Liquid Karma. Then mix all the nutes in the soil and wet it for a week or two an stir it everyday.muddy waters said:
But when should I transplant the plants into the nuted soil?
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Relik
quadracer said:
Yes I've done it, and it works great! As you said make sure you rinse it well at least a couple of times, then you can either include it in your worm/compost pile or liquify some to use in a tea.
When I am uncertain that is has been rinsed well enough, I just give it a lick (sounds disgusting but I do it
) and then I know. If good to use, you will only taste the seaweed taste (tastes like it smells) and not the salt.Peace
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TheOneWill
I got 2 seedlings they are about 6 days old. Should I top dress them with some kelp meal and bone meal and blood meal. Or should I just wait till I put them in the nuted soil a week from now?
Lambsbreath
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I'm very intresting in using rice husk for aerating my soil mix , as there are rice fields and mills in my area.
Is it better to use rice hush charcoal or unburned one, or do you use it for different purpose ?
Maybe Thaiphoon can answer those questions.
I also wasn't happy with the use of sand in pots and perlite is not sold in my country, dolomitic lime is also hard to find, i use ash wood instead although i don't know the exact quantity to add ( soil are a liitle bit acidic here).
I've also tried to add rotten wood to aerate my soil mix , is it a bad idea ?
Is it better to use rice hush charcoal or unburned one, or do you use it for different purpose ?
Maybe Thaiphoon can answer those questions.
I also wasn't happy with the use of sand in pots and perlite is not sold in my country, dolomitic lime is also hard to find, i use ash wood instead although i don't know the exact quantity to add ( soil are a liitle bit acidic here).
I've also tried to add rotten wood to aerate my soil mix , is it a bad idea ?
ThaiPhoon
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Lambsbreath: I would suggest that you use the rice husk in place of perlite. It has worked alright for me. I use the rice husk charcoal as well. I think it is best used in small quantities - if being used in a soil mix. I think more charcoal could be used in say some type of soilless mix where you are adding nutes, compost teas etc everyday...but I have no experience in that, but I have read that people are experimenting with coco and rice husk charcoal mixes as hydroponic mediums...I hope that helps you out!
a shot of my mix...
a shot of my mix...
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Bump!
I think this is an appropriate time to bring this thread back. Some people have been spouting like they're some hippy liberal douchebags (in the words of Eric Cartman of South Park). I love em, I AM one.
Rant away!!!!
I think this is an appropriate time to bring this thread back. Some people have been spouting like they're some hippy liberal douchebags
(in the words of Eric Cartman of South Park). I love em, I AM one.Rant away!!!!
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phr3d0m2gr0
I'm only on page 3 right now but there are two things i would like to comment on.
The first is rice hulls. Earlier in the thread it was mentioned that using rice hulls in a soil let's the top dry out while leaving the soil below adequately moist. It also mentioned this could help with fungus gnats. I think this is not the only benefit. Having a soil that is dry in the top layer but moist in the bottom layer is closer to what nature provides. It's about the same as ground water, so i think using rice hulls helps to create a more natural environment for the plants.
The second thing is local ingredients. I love organics, but i sometimes think people get to carried away with organic and don't think about sustainable and local. If infrastructure was set-up more on a local scale earth wouldn't be so trashed right now. Focusing on using materials that are native to your area is one of the best things to do as it keeps the ecosystem loop closed and doesn't introduce outside species etc.
-Phr3
EDIT: Finally read the whole thing, lot's of good info...
The first is rice hulls. Earlier in the thread it was mentioned that using rice hulls in a soil let's the top dry out while leaving the soil below adequately moist. It also mentioned this could help with fungus gnats. I think this is not the only benefit. Having a soil that is dry in the top layer but moist in the bottom layer is closer to what nature provides. It's about the same as ground water, so i think using rice hulls helps to create a more natural environment for the plants.
The second thing is local ingredients. I love organics, but i sometimes think people get to carried away with organic and don't think about sustainable and local. If infrastructure was set-up more on a local scale earth wouldn't be so trashed right now. Focusing on using materials that are native to your area is one of the best things to do as it keeps the ecosystem loop closed and doesn't introduce outside species etc.
-Phr3
EDIT: Finally read the whole thing, lot's of good info...
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phr3d0m2gr0 said:
Glad it was of use to you. One of the nice things about what we do, is we're very much recyclers in a sense. Rice may not grow locally where I live, but there are facilities that process them, so I'm able to still attain those. If I could restructure the worlds economic system, I would, but I can't so I might as well try and make one mans trash, my gold. Biodiesel is another example.
Composted cow manure is almost perfect for water retention, nutrients and micro-organisms and is mild for use in a potting medium - you really don't need a lot more added (perhaps bonemeal and comfrey) to get a fine fine crop. I get 5 tonnes of manure delivered every year from a local farmer for about £15 which is mad cheap
jolene said:
I completely agree with you. The only problem I have with any manure, is that herbasides could have been in the grass that the animal ate. Also manure needs to be aged for a very long time (18+ months) to assure there aren't any pathogens.
If you can verify the sources and assure its aged, its one of the best fertilizers out there.
highallthetime
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I have used oyster shells for a long time. Had same shells in my tank for over 6 months. Just add a few every now and then. Best ph buffer's if you ask me. During flowering times. I tend to use more.
Suby said:Hold up, dud I had never though of that...
I use hydroton in the bottom of my pots, I could sub for oyster shells....
Even peeps doing a run to waste system with coco could benefit from this.
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Only problem I see with this, is it may give you an inaccurate reading, if you measure the ph/ppm runoff.
I never trust runoff ph or ppm 
When I water enough to get runoff I do so in the aim of washing salts and buildup out of my substrate.
This being said, how is the water in the waste bucket representative of the environment in the pot after I water?
I trust that watering with something at a given ph will affect the soil conditions towards that ph.
It would be a problem with a recycling system, especially the salts in the shells, they'd have to be rinsed a whole lot or left to soak outside.
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When I water enough to get runoff I do so in the aim of washing salts and buildup out of my substrate.
This being said, how is the water in the waste bucket representative of the environment in the pot after I water?
I trust that watering with something at a given ph will affect the soil conditions towards that ph.
It would be a problem with a recycling system, especially the salts in the shells, they'd have to be rinsed a whole lot or left to soak outside.
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