yeild for indoor organics ?

[dontlockmeup]

Yeah SOG just doesn't seem worth all the extra work that it would take growing in soil, and I'm not exactly comfortable with having that many plants in my garden. I'm pushing close to 100 total plants as it is. Most growers understand that 100 plants isn't really a lot but to average Joe watching the news that number might drop some jaws. A Judge wouldn't really understand it either. Going to five gallon pots will take more room and reduce my plant numbers and if the over all yeild goes up I'll be totally cool with that.

here are a couple of strains I'm running now.

JOI's God Bud purple pheno







I'm not sure of the breeder. They are from Canada. I was given two seeds of Blue Hawaiian as freebies. The only female turned out great. She taste like a good blonde hash. pics were taken at 6 1/2 weeks she went 8 1/2.







edit: these were from last harvest and were from seeds.

 

[dontlockmeup]

I totally get what you are saying Mr C. you are talking about little to no veg time. That's cool and all but a pain in the ass to water that many plants every few days. I have to pull about half of my plants out of my garden to get in and water as it is. That and I sort of like not being in jail. I figure that If I keep my plant numbers under 100 I could always get a Lawyer and hopefully get off with probation, and drug classes. Over 100 is just not a good thing to get caught with.

peace

edit: oops you posted while I was typing.

 

[BurnOne]

Two ounces per square foot at least.
Burn1

 

[Dignan]

1 pound per acre or so.

 

[Guest]

1 pound per acre or so.

Soooo...are you expecting like 3 or 4 joints worth out of your outdoor plot this year?

 

[acidnI_livE]

my cuttings go under the 1k MH for about 4 weeks then they get there transplant into there final pots and get around ten days of veg in the bloom room before I change the lights back. They get around six weeks of veg. They get about 24-28" tall before flower.

I'm talking real organics here not PBP&LK. I know people that pull 2lbs per 1k watts with that wannabe organic crap. It's a joke poeple even call that shit organic. It smells horrible and the product is just plain shite.

okay you say that "PBP & LK wannabe organic crap" i agree it IS not truley organic. it is partialy organic as it has calcium bicarbonate and some other chemical. but they all come from natural sources. but still thats not the reason for the reply . i agree it IS NOT organic. period

but then you say you know guys who pull 2lbs per 1k light. so you think that that is not a "good" yield in your opinion?

or do you mean "how could it be organic and be able to yeild that much"?

cuz in my opinion 2lbs per 1k light is the bench mark for growers and it is very hard to eyild above that without having years upon years of xperience at growing.

so if the latter is what you mean then you are also (without realizing it) agreeing with the fact that organics cant yeild like chemical (refined) nutes.

so there it is an organic grower admitting to himself that organics yeilds will always be smaller than if the plants were grown exactly the same way but with chemical/synthetic (refined) nutrients.

dont feel bad though its been pretty much a fiercly debated subject. but i feel that yes chemmy nutes will always yeild more that "ganics" in any side by side situation.

i grow organicaly my self and have not seen the yeilds i used to get using simple chem nutes like the lucas formula and no additives . so that tells you that organics is more of a lifestyle choice. cuz improperly grown herb whether organic or "chem" tastes like shit. and prolperly grown herb whether it is organic or "chem" tastes like it should=good and tastey.

so organics guys say i grow organicly becasue of the taste well you will get the same taste from chem grown herb as long as it is flushed the last days of growing. and organics has to be flushed too.\

so the only thing organics is doing is giving the "eco-minded" grower peice of mind that he is doing things to help the environment. but it is at the expense of final yield. chem grown yeilds more and tastes just the same as organics

 

[cway]

okay you say that "PBP & LK wannabe organic crap" i agree it IS not truley organic. it is partialy organic as it has calcium bicarbonate and some other chemical. but they all come from natural sources. but still thats not the reason for the reply . i agree it IS NOT organic. period

but then you say you know guys who pull 2lbs per 1k light. so you think that that is not a "good" yield in your opinion?

or do you mean "how could it be organic and be able to yeild that much"?

cuz in my opinion 2lbs per 1k light is the bench mark for growers and it is very hard to eyild above that without having years upon years of xperience at growing.

so if the latter is what you mean then you are also (without realizing it) agreeing with the fact that organics cant yeild like chemical (refined) nutes.

so there it is an organic grower admitting to himself that organics yeilds will always be smaller than if the plants were grown exactly the same way but with chemical/synthetic (refined) nutrients.

dont feel bad though its been pretty much a fiercly debated subject. but i feel that yes chemmy nutes will always yeild more that "ganics" in any side by side situation.

i grow organicaly my self and have not seen the yeilds i used to get using simple chem nutes like the lucas formula and no additives . so that tells you that organics is more of a lifestyle choice. cuz improperly grown herb whether organic or "chem" tastes like shit. and prolperly grown herb whether it is organic or "chem" tastes like it should=good and tastey.

so organics guys say i grow organicly becasue of the taste well you will get the same taste from chem grown herb as long as it is flushed the last days of growing. and organics has to be flushed too.\

so the only thing organics is doing is giving the "eco-minded" grower peice of mind that he is doing things to help the environment. but it is at the expense of final yield. chem grown yeilds more and tastes just the same as organics

This will be debated till the end of time. Its better to agree too disagree then to try to convince Organic cultivators that their methods are inferior to Chemm Growers.. I have done both for years and I will say this.. I have not killed any plants growing organically but killed dozens when i was learning Hydroponics with GH Nutes meaning that organics are more forgiving.. I now choose organic methods because it Burns Cleaner, Taste Better, and ALOT LESS MAINTENENCE IMO..

 

[dontlockmeup]

I do think that 2 lbs per 1k watts is pretty good. I was meaning that I would probably be pulling 2lbs per light too with those nutes. Friends of mine use them and I'm sure they could help me dial things in with them. I have ran pbp&lk with a 3 week flush and the herb was shit. Nice big plants but shitty weed and that is not why I grow. I'm not at all admitting that chem fed plants will yeild more than true organics in any way. My opinion is chem fed herb sucks period, no matter how long it is flushed the taste sucks and when you smoke two oz. a week your throat and chest burn from that shit. That is why I grow the way I do, great tatse and no negative side effects from smoking so much. It has nothing to do with being eco friendly.I don't think that any person that is truely concerned about the environment would be growing indoors and consuming the electricity it takes to grow inside.

 

[Guest]

Two ounces per square foot at least.
Burn1

Uh Huh

 

[dontlockmeup]

1 pound per acre or so.

? was about indoor yeilds and 1 lb per acre aint nothin to write home about.

 

[Dignan]

? was about indoor yeilds and 1 lb per acre aint nothin to write home about.

Wow is that what these forums have come to? Being Off-topic Nazis? Are we really supposed to take yet another "what yield should one expect?" thread that seriously anyway?

I am a guerrilla grower. I grow 1-2 plants per spot and my spots are usually miles away from one another. That was my point.

Dig

 

[swampdank]

 

[dontlockmeup]

Wasn't trying to offend you. your post was just sort of irrelevant to anything else in this thread and I just wanted to let you know what my question was about incase you failed to read the thread like a lot of people tend to do before putting in their two cents. Maybe making irrelevant post is how you get you get your count # up, I don't know.

My ? is not really a what type of yeild should I expect question. Like I stated before I have been growing for 4 years now and I already know what to expect. I just wanted to know what other organic growers are yeilding to gauge my own sucess. If you would have read the thread you would have known that. I don't personally know another grower that doesn't use some type of synthetic ferts, so I was hoping there would be others here that could give me some input. I did use the search button and after looking for over an hour with out finding any answers I started this thread, so if I've beaten a dead horse that is why.


You are pretty crazy for growing on someone elses or public property especially if it is federal forest land. I know too many people that have been busted guerilla growing. There are just way to many people(hunters,mushroom pickers, hikers, etc.) in the forest around here to do it safely anymore. Stay safe and keep your eyes out for those game cameras used for taking pictures of elk and other wildlife. The cops used one of those to catch a buddy of mine in the act of watering one of his plants.


Anyhow I've gotten my answer so I'm done here. thanks.
peace

 

[Guest]

Jeez Dig I feel like a dork as totally missed your point but a good one. I agree about the yield question thing. I don't concern myself too much with that as I grow what I like to smoke and not necessarily what other people might want. I do my best to optimize yields but in the end I get what I get and am happy.

 

[Clackamas Coot]

Jeez Dig I feel like a dork as totally missed your point but a good one. I agree about the yield question thing. I don't concern myself too much with that as I grow what I like to smoke and not necessarily what other people might want. I do my best to optimize yields but in the end I get what I get and am happy.

Same here. I'm a medical grower in Oregon and I'm allowed 6 adult plants and 12 seedlings/clones. I'm not real sure about cuttings, per se, but it doesn't concern me regardless.

I'm growing plants that I'm going to either smoke or vaporize (if I can ever figure out how to use this friggin' thing - LOL) and I put as much care in these plants as I do for the vegetables & fruits that we grow, i.e completely organic.

It's simple. It works. Why screw with it?

 

[dontlockmeup]

Jeez Dig I feel like a dork as totally missed your point but a good one. I agree about the yield question thing. I don't concern myself too much with that as I grow what I like to smoke and not necessarily what other people might want. I do my best to optimize yields but in the end I get what I get and am happy.

I never said I was unhappy with what I'm already getting. I think that you are the dork that is missing my point. How would I ever know if I'm optimizing my yeilds without knowing what optimum yeilds are for other organic growers? I couldn't. I would only know what my personal best has been and that's it. I've learned from some of the post here that I seem to be on the right track. I'm growing my own head stash too and I'm not worried about yeilds so I can make money. If my grow was money motivated I'd be on the pbp&lk plan like every other commercial grower I know. It would however be nice to hit that 1 gramm per watt mark. That would mean I would only have to grow half the time that I grow now and be able to go on long vacations without running out of meds.

I can see what this thread is turning into so it's time to just let it die. Thanks to those that offered real input and not just a bunch of flaming bullshit.

peace.

 

[Guest]

I never said I was unhappy with what I'm already getting. I think that you are the dork that is missing my point. How would I ever know if I'm optimizing my yeilds without knowing what optimum yeilds are for other organic growers? I couldn't. I would only know what my personal best has been and that's it. I've learned from some of the post here that I seem to be on the right track. I'm growing my own head stash too and I'm not worried about yeilds so I can make money. If my grow was money motivated I'd be on the pbp&lk plan like every other commercial grower I know. It would however be nice to hit that 1 gramm per watt mark. That would mean I would only have to grow half the time that I grow now and be able to go on long vacations without running out of meds.

I can see what this thread is turning into so it's time to just let it die. Thanks to those that offered real input and not just a bunch of flaming bullshit.

peace.

You won't ever get a satisfactory answer to your original question. The original question is just way too vague.

First, strains make a HUGE difference in yield one can expect.
Second, space
Third, lighting
Fourth, style in growing
Fifth, nutrient regime

and the list goes on.

You need to ask the question specifying as many variables as you can. THEN you can get a more meaningful comparison to see where your grow ranks.


pedro

 

[Guest]

I think that you are the dork that is missing my point. How would I ever know if I'm optimizing my yeilds without knowing what optimum yeilds are for other organic growers?

I really don't think I missed your point but will admit I'm a dork. This forum stuff is silly a lot of times and get a good laugh often. Sure there's some good tips in this thread. While yield is not too important to me it still is. I'm putting a lot of time energy and money into a cycle and you bet your ass I want to get as much as possible. Yield is greatly dependent on genetics. I'm anal about enviro control. I really don't shoot for the best yield...I go for taking care of my plants the best I can and yield follows. I'm also very big on pruning/training and canopy manipulation. I've never got less than 1 lb per 1000w even from the start indoors.

One thing I remember Lucas saying is the common denominator with people getting higher yields is a higher plant density. I usually shoot for 1 plant per square foot and it has served me well.

People are entertaining... so long as am not in the middle off it

We can get you in the middle of it if you want?

 

[Dignan]

My comment was just a simple, jovial one. Me being silly. The fact that someone decided to take offense, like I was taking a dump in his thread, I won't take the blame for. If you're waiting around for me to not be a silly dork, don't hold yer breath. I don't take any of this very seriously. Nondual is a bro of mine and had fun taking a little jab at me... everything beyond that was imagined.

Truly nothing to see here.

Whether it's pole beans, kale or cannabis... you bet yer hiney I'm interested in yields. But me not being able to make a silly comment in the thread like it was a thread about someone's grandma dying of cancer seemed a little over the top, is all.

Peace- (truly!)

Dig

 

[rckymtnthuglife]

MrC already tried to get in the middle of it but no one wants to grow 100 plants in a 4x4 closet. HMMM wonder why....