plantbeaners
Member
I hope the price goes down, i mean realisticly its a plant and having to spend 500 on a ounce of a plant is ridiucluous, but its all about supply and demand,
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socioecologist
After all the shit talking, name calling, and a retracted Saturday morning cartoon of an explanation, you've delivered nothing Foolmaker. To those of you who parroted the phrase "supply and demand" throughout this thread, take note: it means nothing without examples of causal forces acting on "supply" and "demand". More importantly, it is meaningless if you don't need to explain price fluctuations. But whoever yells loudest wins, right?
Thanks for starting this thread jipedestran, and to those of you who constructively participated--I'll do some more work on it in my off-time.
Thanks for starting this thread jipedestran, and to those of you who constructively participated--I'll do some more work on it in my off-time.
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socioecologist said:
What you need to do, is work on getting that education; because whatever it is you're faking with now doesn't cut the mustard.
socioecologist said:
I answered when you asked for more information; left it up a week, there was no response. I deleted it thinking interest was lost and someone else might want to pitch in.
Since you're clapping your loon bill again, I'm going to put the answer up again and leave it: you can take that to the jr. college, and impress the kids with how smart you are, too.
The internet is what stabilized the price.
Once the architecture of pot media on the internet took shape with consumers, suppliers, and activists all posting in the same place, the old trick of salting price-per-area columns in High Times and on pot sites by pot peddlers was no longer possible: because activists were posting evidence of drug war victories: DEA whining about massive pot getting through the borders, jails filling up making risk for domestic growers and smugglers much less over time; decriminalization in various states.
All that meant more supply. Domestic suppliers on those same website pages, could also be seen laughing at how easy it was to make a killing on selling illegal weed.
The above- coupled with further D.E.A. whining about the 'exorbitant & tax-free sums' being made selling dope cemented it: there was more pot than ever before, the suppliers were making a killing while smoking for free, and the consumers started refusing to pay more.
Media savvy consumers could easily throw in the supplier's faces that supplier & drug activist pages pointed out clearly- there was no way the price of pot should be going up: there was more supply than ever before being smuggled, the stuff's dirt cheap to grow, and over time, the combination of filling jails which meant reduced sentences, and decriminalization all spelled increased supply, and less risk; so there was absolutely no justification for any price rise from any quarter.
The price didn't go down because of the need for consumers to bid on unsteady, yet-limited supply chains caused by illegal markets. Simple Supply & Demand Economics, like all economics is.
You're dismissed now.
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socioecologist
You don't even realize how outlandish that shit sounds, do you? The internet has caused prices to remain stable? A lot of people using the internet in 1991, huh? Nice try.
I guess the political economist at a major research university (not jr. college--that's where you earned your vocational certificate, remember?--BTW: why the self-hate?--nevermind, I don't care) can't compete with the electrician.
I'm disappointed that more people haven't called you on your attitude and lack of substance. WTF ever--I'm done.
I guess the political economist at a major research university (not jr. college--that's where you earned your vocational certificate, remember?--BTW: why the self-hate?--nevermind, I don't care) can't compete with the electrician.
I'm disappointed that more people haven't called you on your attitude and lack of substance. WTF ever--I'm done.
Vermonster
Active member
price of good diesel..and diesel only no other strains...is $800 and oz, if you sell it by the gram well over $1200 this is specific to my region i think....so maybe we aint to far off, but then again i am in the taxation capitable of the world....i would assume that since marijuana does not suffer huge rise and fall in supply and demand that the price remains stable....if there is a huge marijuana shortage maybe price will go up...but then again just about anyone can plant a seed and grow a plant unlike gold that can only be mined and found in ceartin areas....nor do we have some corporate asshole setting the price of ganja as we do w/ gold....lets hope jim cramers doesn't try and make us go public! ha.
Cannabinofil
Member
agreed ... it's sickening ... and those prices are for good herb too!!! ... it's heaven on earth out here, and everyone grows some herb, brings the prices super low, almost not worth trying to make a living at it, if it wasn't for the beauty of a growing canopy of Cannabis and the love feed-back the plants give their caregiver, it would not be worth it, heck I'd even get a job ... if they legelize it, I'll quit the comercial thing and just garden for personal and find some job to pay the rent... maby join some union for dental/medical ... heck outdoor here(wich is absolutly delicious) goes for no more than 900 ducks. Not worth all the work, blod'n sweat involved ... after you concord the blackflys and 'skiters, if the deer or rabits or mice or slugs havn't eaten yout plants, if thieves didn't find your "patches" or bears didn't lie down on the girls, if cops didn't catch you or the plants, if this year rippening beat the mold, after you've trimed for days(or weeks) ... you can't get more than 900$ a lbs, is it good? no shit it's good! awsome genetiks, pungent flavors, oozing THC ... so is every one elses and every one grew 100+lbs !!! the market is saturated, brokers sit back and chooses the best 5lbs of your 20 and looks next to you to some other guyses 20lbs, piks 3 to 8 of the best he's got and looks around ... it's a fuckin' shoppin' center experiance and we are all forced to wallmart it down to feed our respective dogs and trucks(every ones truck is from the last millennium )nano said:
prohibition is a lie, there's no money in it ...
Cannabinofil
Member
pricing anser in the mist of rant
pricing anser in the mist of rant
prices are dictated by "brokers" , smugglers and the local wholesalers ...
as where is used to be a gardners market, where supply to the brokers of exquisite shit was low, the gardner of said exquisit shit would get what ever he asked for ... now it's a brokers market, where they sit and pik'n choose with a lot of coldness, I meen they dont even bargain anymore ... one feels like what is said is "if you dont like it, it's okay, I just wont call you next time around" ... they'll leave you sitting there, on the side lines till your starving and offer you less!! it's unreal ... come to think of it, I've realy had my fill!!
pricing anser in the mist of rant
prices are dictated by "brokers" , smugglers and the local wholesalers ...
as where is used to be a gardners market, where supply to the brokers of exquisite shit was low, the gardner of said exquisit shit would get what ever he asked for ... now it's a brokers market, where they sit and pik'n choose with a lot of coldness, I meen they dont even bargain anymore ... one feels like what is said is "if you dont like it, it's okay, I just wont call you next time around" ... they'll leave you sitting there, on the side lines till your starving and offer you less!! it's unreal ... come to think of it, I've realy had my fill!!
Vermonster
Active member
Sounds like you guys need a friend by me.....too bad we could never.......
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THCV
Vermonster said:
who do you think can pay for $800/z diesel, thereby setting the market price in NYC? Corporate assholes! A few more Bear Stearns style collapses and NYC might be seeing a collapse in diesel prices...with all the bankers out of jobs, money won't be flowing like it did during the financial booms. And those booms are the only reason people are stupid enough to buy an ounce for $800!!
Cannabinofil
Member
I pay about 25cent per galon of Diesel ... but it's bio-diesel and I make it my self ... hehehe ...
on the subject of cost of production one can make 400L of bio-diesel per day with just a pump and women nylons, which can lower the production cost of big diesel generator sustained(off the grid) gardens wich often have 40+ lights and produce the lion share(85%) of exported herb. the remaining 15% is fished out of an ocean of small 10light gardens, wich are in direct competition with decades long established farms who have heavy harvests every month, year round and turn over at wholesale prices that are bare bone in comparison to a micro 5K urban. becuz the cost of production goes way up for smaler scale enthusiasts
on the subject of cost of production one can make 400L of bio-diesel per day with just a pump and women nylons, which can lower the production cost of big diesel generator sustained(off the grid) gardens wich often have 40+ lights and produce the lion share(85%) of exported herb. the remaining 15% is fished out of an ocean of small 10light gardens, wich are in direct competition with decades long established farms who have heavy harvests every month, year round and turn over at wholesale prices that are bare bone in comparison to a micro 5K urban. becuz the cost of production goes way up for smaler scale enthusiasts
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THCV
look cannabinofil and nano, if you know how to grow and grow hard, then you could always leave canada (or wherever you live) and move to, hmm, say New Jersey and get your "micro" 5K urban on. Grow some ECSD (shit, probably any Rez SD or even NYCD) and, apparently, you'll be pulling $12,800 a LB from the rich bastards in NYC! Your "micro" grow just got you at least 75 grand in one cycle. So quit complaining. You just live in the wrong place. Buy a ticket out--on credit, you'll pay it back in about 4 months. And then some. 
Gold just dropped, but at $919 it's still only $119 over ESCD in NYC.
Even with the massive rise in gold prices, if you grow diesel for nyc, you are pretty much growing gold. It takes 30 tons of ore to mine 1 ounce of gold. So, herb is a waaay more environmentally kind commodity, even with all the power we burn.
Gold just dropped, but at $919 it's still only $119 over ESCD in NYC.
Even with the massive rise in gold prices, if you grow diesel for nyc, you are pretty much growing gold. It takes 30 tons of ore to mine 1 ounce of gold. So, herb is a waaay more environmentally kind commodity, even with all the power we burn.
Cannabinofil
Member
THCV said:look cannabinofil and nano, if you know how to grow and grow hard, then you could always leave canada (or wherever you live) and move to, hmm, say New Jersey and get your "micro" 5K urban on. Grow some ECSD (shit, probably any Rez SD or even NYCD) and, apparently, you'll be pulling $12,800 a LB from the rich bastards in NYC! Your "micro" grow just got you at least 75 grand in one cycle. So quit complaining. You just live in the wrong place. Buy a ticket out--on credit, you'll pay it back in about 4 months. And then some.
Gold just dropped, but at $919 it's still only $119 over ESCD in NYC.
LOL I even know a guy in new jersy who'd let me move in this brand new "palace" like place ...LOL
I'm not a criminal, and can't think like one to cover my ass as much as one needs to in the states, geeesh, it's a war against herb enthusiasts down there(btw, major respect for every herb gardner in usa, you guys'n gals have some serious balls ... I got poped twice in 17 years of gardening and any one of those 2 busts would have sent me and my tender virgin ass in the slamer for 5 life times in the states ... here, I got asked not to do it again, but the cops here know there is no work, everyone and everyones grandma survives thanks to Cannabis, that goes for all the restaurant owners, car dealerships, furniture store owner, and everyone working for them as well ... my life is not based on money(or I'd already be in new jersey, or St louis or any where else herb brings cash, or sell some diferent stuff all together), nop I am a lover of Cannabis canopy, essence, smell, tastes, looks, response, vibration, delicateness ... I am but a lover stuk in the whirlwind of love
thank you THCV for reminding me that I dont have it so-o-o-o bad ... I could be risking my freedom for gardening but nakid every day ... hard to fathom
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for most pot is purchased out of discretionary income. you make do with what you can get and afford. it is a luxury to many. it falls off the list of priorities quickly.
difficult for many (majority) of smokers to compare price and quality. the desire to minimize connections for security reasons restricts comparison shopping.
middle-class pot consumer pays whatever is asked for for the few choices to be had. when things get tight for middle-america, income prioritization means demand for commersh goes down, and prices drop in order to dump a spoilable, bulky, illegal commodity. is that high price elasticity? weed really is a commidity, isn't it?
it's fcuking snake-oil city out there ... a totally unregulated underground indistry, who knows what you're getting, bottom line is the smoke you have to choose from at what price.
rich are richer, poor are poorer...hi-end smoke probably still sells premium, but that may change. anybody seen this? the "cannaseurs" will have boutique to choose from but the budweiser bunch supply the economic punch.
what happened to the price of booze during the depression / prohibition?
more growing going on than ever before. everybody is growing weed. that means lots of alternate supplies; bc/us bud-NAFTA reigns supreme, drop in us dollar plus border hassles = boon for us growers servicing the domestic market SEE free trade works for the us working man LOL peace
for most pot is purchased out of discretionary income. you make do with what you can get and afford. it is a luxury to many. it falls off the list of priorities quickly.
difficult for many (majority) of smokers to compare price and quality. the desire to minimize connections for security reasons restricts comparison shopping.
middle-class pot consumer pays whatever is asked for for the few choices to be had. when things get tight for middle-america, income prioritization means demand for commersh goes down, and prices drop in order to dump a spoilable, bulky, illegal commodity. is that high price elasticity? weed really is a commidity, isn't it?
it's fcuking snake-oil city out there ... a totally unregulated underground indistry, who knows what you're getting, bottom line is the smoke you have to choose from at what price.
rich are richer, poor are poorer...hi-end smoke probably still sells premium, but that may change. anybody seen this? the "cannaseurs" will have boutique to choose from but the budweiser bunch supply the economic punch.
what happened to the price of booze during the depression / prohibition?
more growing going on than ever before. everybody is growing weed. that means lots of alternate supplies; bc/us bud-NAFTA reigns supreme, drop in us dollar plus border hassles = boon for us growers servicing the domestic market SEE free trade works for the us working man LOL peace
THCV said:look cannabinofil and nano, if you know how to grow and grow hard, then you could always leave canada (or wherever you live) and move to, hmm, say New Jersey and get your "micro" 5K urban on. Grow some ECSD (shit, probably any Rez SD or even NYCD) and, apparently, you'll be pulling $12,800 a LB from the rich bastards in NYC! Your "micro" grow just got you at least 75 grand in one cycle. So quit complaining. You just live in the wrong place. Buy a ticket out--on credit, you'll pay it back in about 4 months. And then some.
Gold just dropped, but at $919 it's still only $119 over ESCD in NYC.
Like cannabinol said, you guys have balls for growing in the states
. And just like he said, the only reason I still grow in Canada is because when you get caught, because with big setups you will eventually get caught(obviously, big means you can't run this alone), you will only get a slap on the fingers lol and they'll tell you not to do it again and let you go.Right now I have too much things keeping me here in Canada, but maybe in a couple of years who knows, I might just have grown the balls it takes to move the big setup across the border
