Haze Heaven Grow!

[Guest]

Im trying to grow some Haze Heaven, and its my understanding that sativa dominate strains need alot more root room then indica dominate strains. Anyways my question is if I use a 24" wide by around an 18" high pot if I veg it to the max before flowering is that a big enough pot and can I expect at least an 8oz harvest with a 600w HPS, I plan on maxing my yield as much as possible, of coarse my goal is a kilo if possible, so I have well cured premium bud for hopefully at least a year! Any knowlegable info is greatly appreciated!!!!!

 

[Ulysses]

Alright, let's see if I can straighten your grow out a bit...

First, veg them in a 18oz party cup until slightly rootbound. If you veg under HPS, your male ratio may be higher-veg under a blue spectrum if possible. Try to determine sex looking for pre flowers around the 4th node. Move the suspected females into a 1 gallon or so until confirmed female and a full rootmass develops. Then to a larger pot with a 5 gallon being one of the most common and practical choices indoors. Remember, you may have to move that container!

Keep the nutes to a minimum. A fellow on another site grew a long flowering Thai hybrid with only fortified soil and got stunning results. You are better off growing 4 decent plants than trying for one monster... Umm a kilo from a haze hybrid? Anyway, I'm cheering for you- and please post a smoke report on the finished product at least...

 

[Guest]

I don't know anything about that strain. But I doubt you'll get more than 300 grams(.5g/watt of light), if that, no matter what you do. Haze hybrids aren't generally known for big yields, maybe that strain is a bigger yielder?

How much vertical room do you have? How much floor space?

24" dia 18" high pot thats like 30 gallons, about 6 times too big.

5 Gallon is way big enough. Sativas don't need any more root room than any cannabis strain. I had to restrict plants to 3 gallon pots to help keep the size down. Some haze hybrids can get huge if you give them the space to grow. You're problem is more likely to be: How do I keep these damn plants out of the light!!! So 5 Gallons is plenty big IMO.

I have 5 more in early flower now. The oldest one was 30" on March 10. On the 13th she was 35".

I had to keep my SuperSilverHaze, shown below, and my Skunk Haze below 44" . I have a 400 Watt light and Hydrohut mini to grow in. This plant and the Skunk Haze yielded about 70 grams each. The Skunk Haze was about the same size as this SSH...44" Grown in a 11Liter(3gallon) black nursery pot. I used FF Tiger Bloom and BeastieBloom in flower.

Good luck in any case.

pedro

SSH at harvest

SSH same as above


here's the Skunk Haze on day 95 of flower

 

[Guest]

Alright, let's see if I can straighten your grow out a bit...

First, veg them in a 18oz party cup until slightly rootbound. If you veg under HPS, your male ratio may be higher-veg under a blue spectrum if possible. Try to determine sex looking for pre flowers around the 4th node. Move the suspected females into a 1 gallon or so until confirmed female and a full rootmass develops. Then to a larger pot with a 5 gallon being one of the most common and practical choices indoors. Remember, you may have to move that container!

Keep the nutes to a minimum. A fellow on another site grew a long flowering Thai hybrid with only fortified soil and got stunning results. You are better off growing 4 decent plants than trying for one monster... Umm a kilo from a haze hybrid? Anyway, I'm cheering for you- and please post a smoke report on the finished product at least...

I will post a smoke report as well as pics, if I ever figure out whats not allowing me to upload pics onto here. The smoke report wont be for several months though, it sprouted on the 7th of this month.

 

[Guest]

I don't know anything about that strain. But I doubt you'll get more than 300 grams(.5g/watt of light), if that, no matter what you do. Haze hybrids aren't generally known for big yields, maybe that strain is a bigger yielder?

How much vertical room do you have? How much floor space?

24" dia 18" high pot thats like 30 gallons, about 6 times too big.

5 Gallon is way big enough. Sativas don't need any more root room than any cannabis strain. I had to restrict plants to 3 gallon pots to help keep the size down. Some haze hybrids can get huge if you give them the space to grow. You're problem is more likely to be: How do I keep these damn plants out of the light!!! So 5 Gallons is plenty big IMO.

I have 5 more in early flower now. The oldest one was 30" on March 10. On the 13th she was 35".

I had to keep my SuperSilverHaze, shown below, and my Skunk Haze below 44" . I have a 400 Watt light and Hydrohut mini to grow in. This plant and the Skunk Haze yielded about 70 grams each. The Skunk Haze was about the same size as this SSH...44" Grown in a 11Liter(3gallon) black nursery pot. I used FF Tiger Bloom and BeastieBloom in flower.

Good luck in any case.

pedro

SSH at harvest

SSH same as above


here's the Skunk Haze on day 95 of flower

I should have around 3-4 ft verticle space, and 16 sq ft of growing space. You mentioned you used 3 gallon pots to keep the size down, but doesnt a larger plant equal a larger yield provided you have the floor space and verticle space as well as adequate light intensity?

Nice plants by the way, sure wish I could get a hit or two of the two strains combined!

 

[Guest]

Well it looks as though this is going to be my first grow thread that I document my Haze Heaven grow from young seedling to harvest and finally a smoke report! Anyone interested subscribe to this thread, Im sure Ill need advice along the way from more experienced growers then myself.
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Right now its 8 days old from seed and the 3rd node is just starting to show, internodal spacing is so close so far I cant make out any spacing with the naked eye, I currently have it in a 4.5" pot using organic seed starting soil under a 200 watt CFL with a kelvin of 6500.

 

[Guest]

You say you have 3-4 feet of vertical space. Have you subtracted 9"-10" for pot height and 12" for light to canopy distance? If not, then your max plant height can be only about 24". I'm no expert but a Scrog is the only way I see that working. If that's the case, you'll need advice from the Scroggers on here. I have never done one.

If 3-4 feet is max plant height, accounting for pot height and L/C distance, then you might want to try topping twice and shaping a bush type plant....something like I am doing with my current grow.

Again, I'm no expert, and I am unfamiliar with Haze Heaven. Maybe someone who is familiar with Haze Heaven will help you out here.

You may want to also want to spend some time reading through "The Ultimate Sativa Thread" The whole thing will take you hours. So do it when you have some time. I think it's well worth reading. There are some VERY knowledgable, true experts posting over there. I know I have learned a lot from those guys. Check it out. Someoneone over there is bound to know something about Haze Heaven.

pedro


PS

About pot size...Your space is limited. I think 3 gallons would be perfect for your space. That said...if you go bigger, make sure the soil drains really well. If soil remains wet too long, it tends to raise pH, and create nutrient uptake problems....The higher acidity being harmful to the beneficial bacteria.

 

[Guest]

You say you have 3-4 feet of vertical space. Have you subtracted 9"-10" for pot height and 12" for light to canopy distance? If not, then your max plant height can be only about 24". I'm no expert but a Scrog is the only way I see that working. If that's the case, you'll need advice from the Scroggers on here. I have never done one.

If 3-4 feet is max plant height, accounting for pot height and L/C distance, then you might want to try topping twice and shaping a bush type plant....something like I am doing with my current grow.

Again, I'm no expert, and I am unfamiliar with Haze Heaven. Maybe someone who is familiar with Haze Heaven will help you out here.

You may want to also want to spend some time reading through "The Ultimate Sativa Thread" The whole thing will take you hours. So do it when you have some time. I think it's well worth reading. There are some VERY knowledgable, true experts posting over there. I know I have learned a lot from those guys. Check it out. Someoneone over there is bound to know something about Haze Heaven.

pedro


PS

About pot size...Your space is limited. I think 3 gallons would be perfect for your space. That said...if you go bigger, make sure the soil drains really well. If soil remains wet too long, it tends to raise pH, and create nutrient uptake problems....The higher acidity being harmful to the beneficial bacteria.

Yes that verticle space is after accounting for pot height and canopy and light height, I was planning on creating a bushy plant, gonna PM Soma first though to see if topping or super cropping works well with HH. I didnt know that larger pots could end up with pH and nutrient uptake problems, thanks for the info. I have some I think 3 gallon square pots, so maybe Ill do a SOG grow, keep a mother plant and next time try a monster sized plant and then compare the results from the two methods. Too bad America isnt like Amsterdam so I could give you at least a huge joint when its ready to smoke!!

 

[Guest]

I don't want to mislead you. larger pots only cause problems IF,IF the soil doesn't drain properly OR, the plant is too small, not having a good enough root system to uptake all that moisture in a big pot, and therefore same effect. What happens is the lower parts of the pot stay wet too long. This excessive moisture over time causes all sorts of problems, ONE of which could be nutrient uptake problems from the soil becoming too acidic.

If you have room for a 4 foot plant you have more options. SOG would not be my choice because I don't think hazes, or heavily sativa phenos lend themselves to SOG. SOG suits the more compact growing strains. You need to check with smarter people than me though on that opinion.

Your challenge will always be:

How to keep your plants from getting into your light.

Many, if not all hazes have the genes to grow very large. You see how big mine got under 400W. You have more light and therefore more potential for bigger plants all else being equal.

You can LST your plants but that has its own issues. You need room to bend them over. How much room you have to LST them depends on how many plants you have in that 4x4 space. The more plants, the less room to LST.

I opt for fewer plants and growing them "bush style". It's still a challenge to keep the height down. My oldest girl(of three) is growing at 2"+ per day right now. She is now 40"....and no sign yet of slowing down One of the younger ones is showing signs of being quite stretchy too....and is beginning to grow vigorously. The third seems to be a shorter, more compact pheno of SSH. Maybe I won't have to torture her to keep her in line

Talk to Soma. You need a plan before you get too far down any one path.

pedro

 

[Guest]

That bigger pot and too much moisture for too long must be the reason why so far I havent been completely satisfied with the health of any of my prior plants or felt I yielded as much as I could have. Going to write that info down and plaster copies around my grow area so I never forget it at the time of watering or mixing perlite into the soil, just in case!

LST is just bending and tying down to do a scrog of sorts right?

By the way whats SSH like, effect wise?

 

[swampdank]

i djs book, he describes special sativa rooms. here, read this. it should help you on your way to the best sat dom. if you are hoping for big yields, you might be dissappointed.

The sweet sativa room

I recommend the creation of a special "sativa room" for indoor breeding of such strains. This room needs to consider and satisfy the unique needs of the sativa variety. The goal is to replicate the equatorial conditions of the world’s various "sweet spots". Some of these conditions include: a different light cycle than the standard 18/6 vegetative 12/12 bud cycles, a higher angle of light (using a straight track shuttle instead of a circular one), humidity control set on low for the highland and high for the lowland, and variations in soil composition and depth.

Light cycle is one of the key considerations for those wishing to breed truly fine quality cannabis indoors under lights. The 18/6 veggie and 12/12 bud cycles are perhaps the main influence towards the indica dominant strains and generic blandness of the indoor commercial product. A true equatorial sativa will require closer to a 13/11 vegetative and a long (four to six month) 11/13 flower cycle. Different variations may be tried, such as 15/9 veggie and 10/14 flowering cycle. Be prepared for much fine tuning.

Equatorial strains also experience a higher arch of sunlight than those grown beyond 38° north or south – with a sunrise almost due east and sunset nearly due west. Therefore the sativa room will edintense overhead lighting with a straight track mover. Keeping the plant in a stationary position, especially through the bud cycle, may positively influence the outcome of the finished product.

As jungle (lowland) herb requires only a thin layer of nutrient soil, perhaps a four-to-eight inch layer of soil over clay or concrete (with some form of drain system) would encourage lateral root growth, stationary plants, and a more lowland sativa-friendly environment.

by DJ Short (01 Sept, 1999)

 

[Guest]

Hey Lucky:

Yes LST, Low Stress Training, is bending the stem over and tying it down. I use that green plant ribbon. It's wide so it won't cut into the plant. I also put those 4 foot bamboo stakes in my pots to tie the ribbon too. I use "Bulldog" paper clamps to hold the ribbon to the stakes too. Easier to move than tying/untying knots. You should tie the stems when they are still flexible enough to bend without breaking.

LST is quite different from a Scrog grow. In a scrog, you let the plant grow up through a mesh of some kind. As the plant grows through, you bend the stem over and tie to the mesh. The new growth then grows vertically from the laid over stem on the mesh. This makes for a very even plant canopy with many smaller buds. A Scrog grow is a very efficient way to utilize a limited space.

You need to check to see if Haze Heaven lends itself to a Scrog. I just don't know.

As for pot size....Cannabis does not like soils that stay wet too long. And as I said, if the pot is too big for the plant, it will stay wet too long. The root system of a too small a plant for the container will not be able to take up the moisture fast enough. I like to water every 3-4 days once my plants are established in 11 liter pots.

I believe it is critically important to make a good well draining soil It really saves you from having problems later on. Check out soils in BurnOne's Sticky...Organics for beginners. LC soil recipes are good ones and easy to make.

My SSH is still curing. Only been in jars a month. It smells wonderful and is VERY potent. It'll taste better when it cures more. It is in the top jars in this picture. Skunk Haze is in bottom jars




pedro


Click on pics to enlarge

Here is my Skunk Haze from last grow. I had only 2 plants so I had room to mess around a bit. I wanted to open up the canopy on theis plant so you see I tied the four main stems down to the pot edge.I Melted holes in the pot edge for one end of the tape, looped the tape over the branch, pulled it down and secured it with a bulldog clamp. This makes it easy to adjust. I put bammboo stakes in this pot later on.




Here is my SSH early in flowering. You can see(maybe LOL) how I have used the green tape to bend the branches over a little to the side and tie them off to the stakes. You need to do it in a way that doesn't block light and allows free air movement. That's why I said that you need room to LST plants.

 

[Guest]

i djs book, he describes special sativa rooms. here, read this. it should help you on your way to the best sat dom. if you are hoping for big yields, you might be dissappointed.

The sweet sativa room

I recommend the creation of a special "sativa room" for indoor breeding of such strains. This room needs to consider and satisfy the unique needs of the sativa variety. The goal is to replicate the equatorial conditions of the world’s various "sweet spots". Some of these conditions include: a different light cycle than the standard 18/6 vegetative 12/12 bud cycles, a higher angle of light (using a straight track shuttle instead of a circular one), humidity control set on low for the highland and high for the lowland, and variations in soil composition and depth.

Light cycle is one of the key considerations for those wishing to breed truly fine quality cannabis indoors under lights. The 18/6 veggie and 12/12 bud cycles are perhaps the main influence towards the indica dominant strains and generic blandness of the indoor commercial product. A true equatorial sativa will require closer to a 13/11 vegetative and a long (four to six month) 11/13 flower cycle. Different variations may be tried, such as 15/9 veggie and 10/14 flowering cycle. Be prepared for much fine tuning.

Equatorial strains also experience a higher arch of sunlight than those grown beyond 38° north or south – with a sunrise almost due east and sunset nearly due west. Therefore the sativa room will edintense overhead lighting with a straight track mover. Keeping the plant in a stationary position, especially through the bud cycle, may positively influence the outcome of the finished product.

As jungle (lowland) herb requires only a thin layer of nutrient soil, perhaps a four-to-eight inch layer of soil over clay or concrete (with some form of drain system) would encourage lateral root growth, stationary plants, and a more lowland sativa-friendly environment.

by DJ Short (01 Sept, 1999)

Thanks for that info! Is that from DJ Shorts book on how to create strains by any chance? Im not sure how equatorial HH is though, the genetics consist of Northern Lights #5 X Haze X Afghani Hawaiian. I also intend on keeping a mother plant, which would eventually start to flower on its own if the period of light it gets each day isnt adequate enough, so with that being said isnt a photoperiod of 18/6 idea for mother plants regardless of how equatorial they may or may not be?

 

[dkmonk]

Pedro and others what was your final dry yield?

I am going to be flowering 2 plants under 250 watt and veging them and using LST to get bushy what would i expect to yield from a sativa dominant hybrid?

 

[Guest]

Pedro, those plants and jars are looking good! Think Im going to use some of my 3 gallon pots when its time to flower and keep a mother plant of it in really well draining soil in my 16 inch or so pot. But Im starting to get way ahead of myself now. If Im able to get some pics on here, I plan on putting up a new 1 or 2 every 7 days. Lets hope it turns out to be a female, otherwise it'll be back to square one. Who knows, maybe Ill be the first person on here to take a year or two before Ive finished a grow and smoke report from seed!

 

[Guest]

Pedro and others what was your final dry yield?

I am going to be flowering 2 plants under 250 watt and veging them and using LST to get bushy what would i expect to yield from a sativa dominant hybrid?

dkmonk!

Hey!! My final yield was a lil over 70 grams(2.5 oz) DRY for each of those plants. My g/f and I smoked a little bit before jarring, but not much.

Keep in mind that I had only those two plants in my space....39"x39"x78" I could easily have done 3...as I'm doing this grow. Three plants like SSH are ideal for my space I think. I had a difficult time keeping both of them under 4 feet.

Sativas do not typically yield like indicas do, especially the pure, or near 100% sativas and the haze dominant phenos of the haze hybrids. The buds from both of my plants were "airey", not dense nugs like on the inidcas I grew. You might think that this is somehow bad. The thing is the potentcy makes up some for the weight. I can cut an airey lil piece that I can barely weigh...and 2hits later I'm buzzing

The honest answer is I really don't know how much you can get from a 250W light. I would think .5 grams per watt would be really good for a really sativa dominate pheno, regardless of what strain it would be. That's just the nature of sativas.

Now I grew Satori and Thaitanic the grow before the SSH grow. These are sativa hybrids. Their bud structure was more indica like but still didn't have the "weight" like you might think looking at them. The buds were "compact" like and indica, but were somewhat "airey" like a sativa. It was pretty good smoke after curing 2-3 months. I wasn't impressed with them right after harvest. Curing can make a difference sometimes.

I haven't seen him posting recently, but there's a guy on the Ultimate Sativa thread with the nick of : Hardhat He has grow a lot of sativas under 250W. If you can get hold of him and ask nicely, he can probably help you a lot on what a 250 will do growing sativas.

Anyhow Good luck!!!

I'm currently sweating out my 3 plants while they stretch. The biggest one(oldest by a week) went from 15" on day 1 (2/26)of 12/12 ....to 46" today day 21 of 12/12. That's a 3X stetch in 3 weeks. I fnally had to put in stakes and tie her tallest branches over so she is now under 38" again.

pedro

 

[Guest]

My Haze Heaven seedling at 11 days old.

 

[Guest]

Pedro whered you go?

 

[Guest]

I'm here.

It's ok to bury stems, but be very careful of moisture remaining around/near the leaves for any period of time. Things might happen; none of them good.

pedro

 

[HerbGlaze]

If you bury your stem its fine it actually makes root growth better just like any other plant.. they look really healthy so all looks good wish you the best man.