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bopper
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Hey terran2,
It is my understanding that the PK clones all originated with a single mom. Is that correct? If so, what would be the mechanism by which a few would differ so markedly from the norm? It sounds more likely that the four were a different variety entirely, does it not?
Wouldn't clone mix-up be a more likely explanation than spontaneous genetic mutation? Perhaps the fact that the unusual type "just reeks of the grape/blueberry floral scents" might indicate that a block of Blueberry might have accidently gotten in with the PK.
Best,
bopper
It is my understanding that the PK clones all originated with a single mom. Is that correct? If so, what would be the mechanism by which a few would differ so markedly from the norm? It sounds more likely that the four were a different variety entirely, does it not?
Wouldn't clone mix-up be a more likely explanation than spontaneous genetic mutation? Perhaps the fact that the unusual type "just reeks of the grape/blueberry floral scents" might indicate that a block of Blueberry might have accidently gotten in with the PK.
Best,
bopper
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terran2
bopper said:Hey terran2,
It is my understanding that the PK clones all originated with a single mom. Is that correct? If so, what would be the mechanism by which a few would differ so markedly from the norm? It sounds more likely that the four were a different variety entirely, does it not?
Wouldn't clone mix-up be a more likely explanation than spontaneous genetic mutation? Perhaps the fact that the unusual type "just reeks of the grape/blueberry floral scents" might indicate that a block of Blueberry might have accidently gotten in with the PK.
Best,
bopper
Just one of my strongest instinctive traits to always be looking for variations of phenos having been making my own crosses for well over 10yrs . Have a pretty good eye & started back then using the original Sensi sativa dom NL . Sure was a nice strain to work from w/ lots fof red hairs & resinous ...was a good yielder & extremely easy to trim plus a breeze to grow in or outdoors . Needed to tone down the stretch so mated with some shorter indeginous N Cali Mendo Indicas & got some shorter well behaved indoor profiles going that really worked well for that time . Sure wished i still had those original Sensi NL seeds ...almost all the strains that they created back then were from that NL .
Anyways , if in fact there was only one original clone of the PK that SR/BS started with, then we would have to only consider something reaching into the "spontaneous genetic mutation" area (pretty heady & mystical stuff , lol) . But do we know that to be true ? I posted the pic to show that this selected plant has still the same PK look & leaf structure only taller (longer internodes) and there's always been a floral/grape undertone to the PK but this one really is pronounced , which for me is a very good thing .
(no one doesn' like grapes ...especially the sweetest concord ones !;o)
Really not too interested in growing out the PK that much but as long as i'm working with it i cannot supress /escape my strongest drive to see if there are variants . Its just my nature . Its possible they could have been given several cuts at the beginning perhaps from two different moms etc ? A boy can hope & observe ....
In any case i have chosen to go with only cuttings from this select plant for any future PK grows and looking forward to vegging them out for further study as well as see that mom above finish . You can certainly tell that the height & spread is much more than you normally see with the pk pic above ...plus pronounced difference i've observed so far in the way cuttings mature when vegged out .
(will post pics of them in 2wks , just transplanted today )
regards
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t2
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Neptune
I've been MIA, but to summarize the previous 10 pages of woes,
sr71 does not make bad or diseased clones, but there are a lot of bad growers that like to blame their pest infestations or shortcomings on anything/one but themselves.
I've been buying and growing thier clones during all this time, and have not encountered any real problems that a simple neeming couldn't cure. And if you neem folks, go light and turn off your lights until they are totally DRY... DUH!!
Glad to see SR71 charging more, they deserve it as the only respectable clone shop in the bay. This will teach those comercial farmers a lesson... not that hard to mother and clone
Buy a 6 or 12 pack early in advance, and make backups!! Duno about you, but I cut about 4x as many clones as I need each crop, only taking the best and most vigerous.
T2 your pure coco is looking purrrrfect, I just love pure coco as a medium. Really amazing results so far @ 2lbs per light with various strains... just have to veg them up proper. short on time, gotta run. main thing is, the PK is a single origin clone and very unlikely that it did any weird hippy transmutations on you. Could be explaned by some weird environmental conditions that "switched" it to a diff mode or something... but I'm with Bopper on this one
gotta run, ttyl all
sr71 does not make bad or diseased clones, but there are a lot of bad growers that like to blame their pest infestations or shortcomings on anything/one but themselves.
I've been buying and growing thier clones during all this time, and have not encountered any real problems that a simple neeming couldn't cure. And if you neem folks, go light and turn off your lights until they are totally DRY... DUH!!
Glad to see SR71 charging more, they deserve it as the only respectable clone shop in the bay. This will teach those comercial farmers a lesson... not that hard to mother and clone
Buy a 6 or 12 pack early in advance, and make backups!! Duno about you, but I cut about 4x as many clones as I need each crop, only taking the best and most vigerous.T2 your pure coco is looking purrrrfect, I just love pure coco as a medium. Really amazing results so far @ 2lbs per light with various strains... just have to veg them up proper. short on time, gotta run. main thing is, the PK is a single origin clone and very unlikely that it did any weird hippy transmutations on you. Could be explaned by some weird environmental conditions that "switched" it to a diff mode or something... but I'm with Bopper on this one
gotta run, ttyl all
Neptune - good to see you around again.
Also, I was going to inquire about the Candy Shiva (aka Shiva Skunk pheno B) Anybody else out there grown this beautiful delight? I would like to know if it is a hungry feeder or not. Is it prone to mildew? Max yeild under say... 600 watts?Things of this nature, any help would be great.
Also, I was going to inquire about the Candy Shiva (aka Shiva Skunk pheno B) Anybody else out there grown this beautiful delight? I would like to know if it is a hungry feeder or not. Is it prone to mildew? Max yeild under say... 600 watts?Things of this nature, any help would be great.
she picked up some PM during my grow, and like i said with all the pictures, she liked her N in early flowering ( which i didnt give her much of) so i would work with that. This was in soil 1gal pots so if you are looking for hydro advice in PPM's/EC's at different stages of growth i cant help you there!
bopper
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If memory serves, Bluesky (SR71) got the PK from a single clone of Ultraviolet. If that is the case, then your instincts may be misleading you. The simple explanation is that you have four clones of a different variety (different form, different smell). Occam's Razor would probably be preferred over instinct in this case.
Your instincts, developed as they were by breeding with seed, may not apply in this case. Wouldn't it just be easier to ask at Bluesky and to avoid substituting one's instinct, however well-trusted or long-refined, for factual information.
If I'm wrong, then we'll both be pleased to find an improved PK clone circulating. If I'm right, then you can avoid spreading misinformation perpetuating an error at Bluesky.
Best,
bopper
Your instincts, developed as they were by breeding with seed, may not apply in this case. Wouldn't it just be easier to ask at Bluesky and to avoid substituting one's instinct, however well-trusted or long-refined, for factual information.
If I'm wrong, then we'll both be pleased to find an improved PK clone circulating. If I'm right, then you can avoid spreading misinformation perpetuating an error at Bluesky.
Best,
bopper
Krakatoa
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Forsooth, Bopper, perchance when we inquire as to the provenance of the Purple Kush, might we employ a somewhat less risible and concocted manner of diction? For it is in accordance with the facts that your contrived ornate phraseology makes you come across as quite the douchebag.
worst,
krakatoa
worst,
krakatoa
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terran2
bopper said:If memory serves, Bluesky (SR71) got the PK from a single clone of Ultraviolet. If that is the case, then your instincts may be misleading you. The simple explanation is that you have four clones of a different variety (different form, different smell). Occam's Razor would probably be preferred over instinct in this case.
Your instincts, developed as they were by breeding with seed, may not apply in this case. Wouldn't it just be easier to ask at Bluesky and to avoid substituting one's instinct, however well-trusted or long-refined, for factual information.
If I'm wrong, then we'll both be pleased to find an improved PK clone circulating. If I'm right, then you can avoid spreading misinformation perpetuating an error at Bluesky.
Best,
bopper
I'll leave all that info gathering from Bluesky to others bopper ...for have always found them pretty tight-lipped as a rule , not very "talkative' about specifics(understandable) & generally won't be going down there that often again using myself & selected others to keep clone stock going . I might have missed here on IC that conversation with Scrappy (or other BS rep here) that verified that the PK line originated from one cut only from Trich . If thats true then all my hopes are dashed , alas , lol....you think that Trichome would have been a little more generous in giving them more than only one clone originally .
The cut i posted the pic of is definitetely a PK ....of taller stature & more grape scent than others ...and the one i have isolated my cloning from exclusively too. As well , pollenated that PK just the other night & crossed her to a SSHXC99XGDP male . Will also be seeding her again tonight crossing with a POG derivative male.
So up up & away , (excelsior!!)
lol
regards
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PK Cutting
PK Cutting
No disrespect 2 anyone, but you can only clone a mother and its cuttings so many times before its genetics start 2 alter. I actually had one of those cuttings that grow taller and smell awesome so Grapey!!!!
PK Cutting
No disrespect 2 anyone, but you can only clone a mother and its cuttings so many times before its genetics start 2 alter. I actually had one of those cuttings that grow taller and smell awesome so Grapey!!!!
Neptune said:I've been MIA, but to summarize the previous 10 pages of woes,
sr71 does not make bad or diseased clones, but there are a lot of bad growers that like to blame their pest infestations or shortcomings on anything/one but themselves.
I've been buying and growing thier clones during all this time, and have not encountered any real problems that a simple neeming couldn't cure. And if you neem folks, go light and turn off your lights until they are totally DRY... DUH!!
Glad to see SR71 charging more, they deserve it as the only respectable clone shop in the bay. This will teach those comercial farmers a lesson... not that hard to mother and clone
T2 your pure coco is looking purrrrfect, I just love pure coco as a medium. Really amazing results so far @ 2lbs per light with various strains... just have to veg them up proper. short on time, gotta run. main thing is, the PK is a single origin clone and very unlikely that it did any weird hippy transmutations on you. Could be explaned by some weird environmental conditions that "switched" it to a diff mode or something... but I'm with Bopper on this one
gotta run, ttyl all
Pk Pheno
Pk Pheno
Sorry Bopper but Im going to have to disagree with you because I got that PK Pheno that grows taller and has a grape
fruity ass smell. Definatly related to Pk, and definatly a pheno-type. You should read some books on how gentics work when cloning then, clones can only be cloned for so many years before its genetics alter that's why its always good to have a seed stock for years later.. I know strains that are dead because of things like that!!
Pk Pheno
Sorry Bopper but Im going to have to disagree with you because I got that PK Pheno that grows taller and has a grape
fruity ass smell. Definatly related to Pk, and definatly a pheno-type. You should read some books on how gentics work when cloning then, clones can only be cloned for so many years before its genetics alter that's why its always good to have a seed stock for years later.. I know strains that are dead because of things like that!!bopper said:If memory serves, Bluesky (SR71) got the PK from a single clone of Ultraviolet. If that is the case, then your instincts may be misleading you. The simple explanation is that you have four clones of a different variety (different form, different smell). Occam's Razor would probably be preferred over instinct in this case.
Your instincts, developed as they were by breeding with seed, may not apply in this case. Wouldn't it just be easier to ask at Bluesky and to avoid substituting one's instinct, however well-trusted or long-refined, for factual information.
If I'm wrong, then we'll both be pleased to find an improved PK clone circulating. If I'm right, then you can avoid spreading misinformation perpetuating an error at Bluesky.
Best,
bopper
bopper
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Hey clark420,
No offense, but shouldn't we consult with someone with a bit of botanical or genetic knowledge before we go off the deep end. As I recall, Chimera, among others thoroughly debunked that myth some time ago. Clone mothers do not run down (viruses might however be the cause of apparent genetic changes).
I have no interest in disputing the topic further. Enjoy your plants. If the medicine is good, that is the main thing.
Best,
bopper
No offense, but shouldn't we consult with someone with a bit of botanical or genetic knowledge before we go off the deep end. As I recall, Chimera, among others thoroughly debunked that myth some time ago. Clone mothers do not run down (viruses might however be the cause of apparent genetic changes).
I have no interest in disputing the topic further. Enjoy your plants. If the medicine is good, that is the main thing.
Best,
bopper
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terran2
Bud Porn ....
Bud Porn ....
reliable old HK,
the shaggy dog getting ripe ....and
getting the molassass treatment;o)
Bud Porn ....
reliable old HK,
the shaggy dog getting ripe ....and
getting the molassass treatment;o)
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Neptune
lol @ krakatoa, very well very well, now can we all get a bong?
clark420, if memory serves me it was you, more or less, who started the "bluesky is losing it" hysteria. As Boper says, please be careful with jumping to conclusions and stating 'facts' that are probably not acurate. In this case, it is well understood that clones of clones of clones behave about the same as the batch before them. There are many 20 year old genetics circulating that still retain all the atributes they were origionaly selected for, vigor, yeild, etc. I hold a number of 10+ year old mommas.
ok and moving along,
bulldog, I ended up with an early batch of SS (shuga shiva?), labeled SS#6 when I purchased it. I am not sure how many total Shivas have been released, but it's possible quite a few becuase I know they were working with seed plants and having a hard time picking keepers. Many good phenos in that batch, I reckon. So far, we know there is: Big Shiva, Candy Shiva, Shuga Shiva, and whatever mine was SS#6. I assumed mine was Shuga Shiva...but Shuga and Candy shivas may be the same cut, just with different names. (??) Wish someone could clear this up. Anyway, the one I had was super vigerous, stretched strongly and yeilded big. Vegged 7 days, bloomed for 58, yeilded 2.5z per plant and never exceeded 2.0EC.
T2, just harvested a lone HKSK in my room, corner of the 1kw footprint and it was a healthy 2.2 ounces. totally fantastic pot, indestructable. Pot of Gold for life
Purple Kush is the slowest purple of all the purps I have grown: Granddaddy, Erkle, PK, and even a few S1s... just soooo slow. I have much patience with purple pot usually, but this one is just very hard to work with. Veg from clone on my previous crops was nearing 4 weeks, whereas clones like the HKSK, AK47, SS, BG need only 7-10 days veg from clone.
clark420, if memory serves me it was you, more or less, who started the "bluesky is losing it" hysteria. As Boper says, please be careful with jumping to conclusions and stating 'facts' that are probably not acurate. In this case, it is well understood that clones of clones of clones behave about the same as the batch before them. There are many 20 year old genetics circulating that still retain all the atributes they were origionaly selected for, vigor, yeild, etc. I hold a number of 10+ year old mommas.
ok and moving along,
bulldog, I ended up with an early batch of SS (shuga shiva?), labeled SS#6 when I purchased it. I am not sure how many total Shivas have been released, but it's possible quite a few becuase I know they were working with seed plants and having a hard time picking keepers. Many good phenos in that batch, I reckon. So far, we know there is: Big Shiva, Candy Shiva, Shuga Shiva, and whatever mine was SS#6. I assumed mine was Shuga Shiva...but Shuga and Candy shivas may be the same cut, just with different names. (??) Wish someone could clear this up. Anyway, the one I had was super vigerous, stretched strongly and yeilded big. Vegged 7 days, bloomed for 58, yeilded 2.5z per plant and never exceeded 2.0EC.
T2, just harvested a lone HKSK in my room, corner of the 1kw footprint and it was a healthy 2.2 ounces. totally fantastic pot, indestructable. Pot of Gold for life
Purple Kush is the slowest purple of all the purps I have grown: Granddaddy, Erkle, PK, and even a few S1s... just soooo slow. I have much patience with purple pot usually, but this one is just very hard to work with. Veg from clone on my previous crops was nearing 4 weeks, whereas clones like the HKSK, AK47, SS, BG need only 7-10 days veg from clone.
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Neptune
Bubblegum report
Bubblegum report
Bubblegum
I harvested last week @ 58 days, and while I do not have pics I can make a few notes:
Extreme vigor on this plant(9/10), fast grower and strong stretch(3x) with good amount of space between internodes. Some nodes as much as 2-3" apart. I did not have very good control over her stretch, as the 600w light was pretty inadequate and she ended up bolting. I later upgraded the 600w to a 1000w to handle her better...
The yeild was quite good(9/10), at around 3+oz per plant, with 8 of them under a Silver Star.
The quality is lacking a bit(7/10). The nice classic bubblegummy aromas are present, very good resin coverage and the large sized resin glands we all like to see.. but I found it to do a lot of "dreadlocking" or foxtailing/wispy wispy crap on all the tops. This plant does not like to be close to the lights at all... anything remotely close to the 1kw ended up a gigantic mat of stem and foxtail calyx. Along with this problem, I did find it to be slightly hermaphroditic. Many imature seeds were found while trimming her up. buds came out a bit odd shapen due to the weird top cola budgrowth structure. I think these problems could be worked out and any grower who dials this one in would be set/stoked for many crops. The strain is an easy 1.5 per kw, and could see that closer to 2+ with a few adjustments. One of the biggest yeilders I have grown, esp considering the various screwups I allowed during the crop cycle.
very tasty and good smelling, high potency, high yeild cannabis.
Overall I'd probably give the Oaksterdam Bubblegum an 8/10.
600w bulb just didnt cut it...
found the 1kw better suited...
Bubblegum report
Bubblegum
I harvested last week @ 58 days, and while I do not have pics I can make a few notes:
Extreme vigor on this plant(9/10), fast grower and strong stretch(3x) with good amount of space between internodes. Some nodes as much as 2-3" apart. I did not have very good control over her stretch, as the 600w light was pretty inadequate and she ended up bolting. I later upgraded the 600w to a 1000w to handle her better...
The yeild was quite good(9/10), at around 3+oz per plant, with 8 of them under a Silver Star.
The quality is lacking a bit(7/10). The nice classic bubblegummy aromas are present, very good resin coverage and the large sized resin glands we all like to see.. but I found it to do a lot of "dreadlocking" or foxtailing/wispy wispy crap on all the tops. This plant does not like to be close to the lights at all... anything remotely close to the 1kw ended up a gigantic mat of stem and foxtail calyx. Along with this problem, I did find it to be slightly hermaphroditic. Many imature seeds were found while trimming her up. buds came out a bit odd shapen due to the weird top cola budgrowth structure. I think these problems could be worked out and any grower who dials this one in would be set/stoked for many crops. The strain is an easy 1.5 per kw, and could see that closer to 2+ with a few adjustments. One of the biggest yeilders I have grown, esp considering the various screwups I allowed during the crop cycle.
very tasty and good smelling, high potency, high yeild cannabis.
Overall I'd probably give the Oaksterdam Bubblegum an 8/10.
600w bulb just didnt cut it...
found the 1kw better suited...
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