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user: napalm
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i just moved back to kentucky, from humbolt county.. i was living in Fortuna.. im fixing to go back actually, in the next couple months.. permanently moving back, not humboldt.. but prolly in the trinity county area.... somewhere close to shasta, i think its beautiful... but anyway
with the 215 you can grow up to 99 plants a year, correct?
my fiance's grandmother has her 215 and she can grow up to 25 plants in a given 25x25 space..... but how does that account only 99.. i dont know... but thanks for the info anyway..
with the 215 you can grow up to 99 plants a year, correct?
my fiance's grandmother has her 215 and she can grow up to 25 plants in a given 25x25 space..... but how does that account only 99.. i dont know... but thanks for the info anyway..
user: napalm said:
I used to live in Myers Flat--
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If I'm right. I think trinity county is 12/24. 12 flowering and 24 vegging. Have to check norml to be right, but I think those numbers are right.
Good luck,
BG
Here are the new numbers. They just changed them for the better.
Trinity: On Sept 4, 2007 the Trinity County Board of Supervisors adopted a new policy that allows for possession of 3 pounds of dried, processed marijuana at any one time and the cultivation of 12 mature plants and/or 24 immature plants. Formerly 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud.
Good luck,
BG
Here are the new numbers. They just changed them for the better.
Trinity: On Sept 4, 2007 the Trinity County Board of Supervisors adopted a new policy that allows for possession of 3 pounds of dried, processed marijuana at any one time and the cultivation of 12 mature plants and/or 24 immature plants. Formerly 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud.
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Yes, it's 13/24 here in Trinity. Along with that new ordinance came a review board which seems geared toward finding problems with mmj patients than helping them. It's focus is on the negative, not how these new numbers are making it easier for people. If there's not some positive feed-back, then that's all we'll hear.
It doesn't matter how many plants you have if the feds come in unless you are one of 7 remaining paitents who get fed pot. And those people get 75 plants per patient. Don't that just piss you off?
And there was somebody up here who was charged with conspiracy, using the telephone in the commission of a felony. The guy had called a friend about helping with some trimming. Obviously there was more to this case, but jail is jail.
It doesn't matter how many plants you have if the feds come in unless you are one of 7 remaining paitents who get fed pot. And those people get 75 plants per patient. Don't that just piss you off?
And there was somebody up here who was charged with conspiracy, using the telephone in the commission of a felony. The guy had called a friend about helping with some trimming. Obviously there was more to this case, but jail is jail.
I think the state should punish people is harsher terms who conspire to grow more than what prop 215 allows. It's clear that some of these people breaking the law only intend to sell the drugs to other people including people who are not patients. Sure it will also punish people who are only providing the medicine for patients, but they've been given a privilege that the other 38 states don;t offer, and they still insist on breaking the law.
For your own safety, please don't have a scale anywhere your grow. At least then you can include that fact in your defense, and create reasonable doubt as to the distribution charge(s).
For your own safety, please don't have a scale anywhere your grow. At least then you can include that fact in your defense, and create reasonable doubt as to the distribution charge(s).
Personally I think that if you want this to be your career, then have some courage & don't hide behind Prop 215 to cover yer ass. Do what the rest of us did pre-1996 & be an outlaw. Or work on changing those laws.
Caregivers are not outlaws. The kind people who supply clubs with quality mmj at a reasonalbe price aren't criminals. I've heard rumors of commercial mmj caregiver permits may be coming soon. Up here there can be only 4 patients per garden, so a permit would allow for more patients = more plants. I don't really know if I like the idea of more regulations, but we better come up with some alternatives before it gets out of hand. More out of hand that is.
Heard this tip recently: never have a bag that is an exact weight, like 1/8. 1/4 etc. as it shows INTENT. Keep your medicine in containers of various sizes.
Caregivers are not outlaws. The kind people who supply clubs with quality mmj at a reasonalbe price aren't criminals. I've heard rumors of commercial mmj caregiver permits may be coming soon. Up here there can be only 4 patients per garden, so a permit would allow for more patients = more plants. I don't really know if I like the idea of more regulations, but we better come up with some alternatives before it gets out of hand. More out of hand that is.
Heard this tip recently: never have a bag that is an exact weight, like 1/8. 1/4 etc. as it shows INTENT. Keep your medicine in containers of various sizes.
The federal case he is talking about is Dr Marion Fry. She has very serious health problems but the federal government still seems to find it necessary to put this woman in jail for 5 years. She has had a double masectomy and still has many more health problems to deal with. This is one of the most terrible cases of "justice" ive ever heard. Feds suck and show no compassion.
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Shouldnt be anything illegal about pot at all. Your way of thinking about punishing ppl for pot is what has us in this fucked up prohibition to start with . Your ideas are outdated and redneck. Since when do the cops have the compassion or expertise to figure out what our intent is with the meds we grow. Jeeeeesh we need alot less attitudes like yours. The other 38 states can change their laws just like the rest of us ... but yes it does take work.
Dr Marion Fry was my doctor from who I obtained a perscription several years in a row. She was seeing and perscribing many, many patients a day, most who benefited from the perscriptions medicinal effects. She may have had to many plants but I think her compassions for thousands of patients may have had more to do with the sentence? DD
shiva das
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facelift said:
Facelift, take it easy my friend, why would anyone want anyone esle lock-up over alittle cannabis. IMHO, the only people should be locked-up in violent people. You know, like the people that want to hurt other people. Not someone that has divine vision to grow as they please.
crime and punishment is not the answer.
fairness and justice is what I am looking for.
prohibition doesn't work. And yes, I have to agree, you can't hide behind 215. Do what you have to do,for it your divine inspiration.
This medication thing is not going to last. did anyone see the cover of Newsweek? thought this isn't new news for me, THEY have been trying to discover a vaccine for additions. One day they want the vaccine to be given to babies so they never have to "deal" with adddictions(alchol,herion, cocaine, cannabis)
So facelift, you better be ready to stand in line to recieve you vaccination. If you want to "walk the line" by following the governmants guidelines.
No offence, but, 215 is bullsh*t. We shouldn't have been put in this situation of prohibition.
let us not forget...
We, as WHEN, in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's GOD entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the Causes which impel them to the Separation.
We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their CREATOR, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate, that Governments long established, should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security. Such has been the patient Sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the Necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The History of the present King of Great-Britain is a History of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid World.
so the choice is, either walk the line or say NO. what ever happened to over grow the govenment?
I have defended the cannabis plant, and have done my time. If they want to give me more time, not that I want it, but fuck...what are you suppose to do??
Stand up and defend cannabis.
What total crap!! First, Prop 215 has no limits - try reading it - only what is necessary for "current medical needs." Second, SB420 numbers are floors and not ceilings (2 CASC decisions - Mower and Wright). And third, if they were limits, how the fuck do you know you're below the processed buds limit (8 oz or 3 lbs or whatever) without a fucking scale?!!! Sorry, inane posts like this just piss me off.facelift said:
Forgot to add .. The Fed program - only one patient left now - gives patients 6 lbs per year, and that's just to smoke. Edibles use 3-5 times as much. So someone in really dire straits could use up to 30 lbs a year, though most wouldn't. The point is it is far from clear that many growing 'over the limit' intend to sell. Some of course, but some means 2 or more (unless you have figures), versus possibly tens of thousands at least who don't sell. Idiot. With friends like this who needs .....
And what's even more, now that I think about it, you ARE allowed to sell anyway ... many patients cannot grow their own medicine and require a caregiver to grow it for them, who is allowed to receive appropriate compensation for their time and trouble.
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I'm not trying to incite here, but I think that facelift has a point.
You see, in this movement of ours we must recrute people who do not smoke MJ. That is the uphill battle. If voters are seeing busts that are large operations hiding under the guise of prop 215, then sensable people who might have supported RESPONSABLE medical mmj might change their minds. Commercial growers who provide medical mmj to clubs and sell the rest to go on the street are not seen as good people to even the most tollerant of non smokers. Sorry, but I believe that those who play by the rules and stay within the limits of the law are going to pay for those who are greedy.
You see, in this movement of ours we must recrute people who do not smoke MJ. That is the uphill battle. If voters are seeing busts that are large operations hiding under the guise of prop 215, then sensable people who might have supported RESPONSABLE medical mmj might change their minds. Commercial growers who provide medical mmj to clubs and sell the rest to go on the street are not seen as good people to even the most tollerant of non smokers. Sorry, but I believe that those who play by the rules and stay within the limits of the law are going to pay for those who are greedy.
^^^ you totally missed my point - you don't know what the limits of the law are. Big commercial busts are one thing, but we're not talking about that. All Facelift said was someone who grows more than he thinks 215 allows.
Say someone wants to grow 20 plants as opposed to the supposed 12/6 max in most counties, he is entitled to do so - within the law - because as I said before, the SB420 amounts are not ceilings. It's just going to be a hassle if he gets caught as he then has to show it's for his current medical needs. And also, WITHIN the law, you are entitled to compensation etc.
Besides the many other fucked up things about his post, also it's posts like his that perpetuate the wrong notion that you can only grow a fixed number of plants and that ANYTHING over is illegal. It is not.
Say someone wants to grow 20 plants as opposed to the supposed 12/6 max in most counties, he is entitled to do so - within the law - because as I said before, the SB420 amounts are not ceilings. It's just going to be a hassle if he gets caught as he then has to show it's for his current medical needs. And also, WITHIN the law, you are entitled to compensation etc.
Besides the many other fucked up things about his post, also it's posts like his that perpetuate the wrong notion that you can only grow a fixed number of plants and that ANYTHING over is illegal. It is not.
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It's news to me, I personally know of 2 fed patients that are alive & kicking.
I don't even know what you are are arguing about, it's up to your doctor to decide the amount you need. How many times do we have to say that??? If your doctor won't say a specific amount, than you're just stuck with the law. If your county doesn't have it's own ordinance, refer to SB420. It's an amendment to Prop 215, it doesn't replace it. It seems people aren't getting the point.
I just hate seeing all of us get a bad rap because of somebody else's lack of concern. If you're unhappy about your plant count, then talk to your doctor or petition your county for higher numbers. It's as simple as that.
I don't want to see anybody go to jail. Period. Not over cannabis.
I don't even know what you are are arguing about, it's up to your doctor to decide the amount you need. How many times do we have to say that??? If your doctor won't say a specific amount, than you're just stuck with the law. If your county doesn't have it's own ordinance, refer to SB420. It's an amendment to Prop 215, it doesn't replace it. It seems people aren't getting the point.
I just hate seeing all of us get a bad rap because of somebody else's lack of concern. If you're unhappy about your plant count, then talk to your doctor or petition your county for higher numbers. It's as simple as that.
I don't want to see anybody go to jail. Period. Not over cannabis.
^^^ not sure of your point .... anyway, SB420 isn't strictly an amendment to 215 ... the Cal Constitution article 3, specifically says you cannot amend a voter passed proposition.
The amounts in SB 420, for the 1,000th time, are just amounts that if you are under and have a card, the cops can't arrest you. If you have over the amount, you can still be totally legal, the only thing is that you then can be arrested and to have your case dismissed, you have to show that the amount you have is for your current medical needs - irregardless of the amount your doctor said. Your doctor is not a cultivation expert and cannot say how many plants of a particular strain you are allowed - but then that's going in a different direction.
So to be clear - THE AMOUNTS IN SB420 ARE FLOORS AND NOT CEILINGS!!!! YOU CAN HAVE MORE, ONLY THEN YOU ARE NOT IMMUNE TO ARREST (which you are if you are under and have a card).
The amounts in SB 420, for the 1,000th time, are just amounts that if you are under and have a card, the cops can't arrest you. If you have over the amount, you can still be totally legal, the only thing is that you then can be arrested and to have your case dismissed, you have to show that the amount you have is for your current medical needs - irregardless of the amount your doctor said. Your doctor is not a cultivation expert and cannot say how many plants of a particular strain you are allowed - but then that's going in a different direction.
So to be clear - THE AMOUNTS IN SB420 ARE FLOORS AND NOT CEILINGS!!!! YOU CAN HAVE MORE, ONLY THEN YOU ARE NOT IMMUNE TO ARREST (which you are if you are under and have a card).
