How to get landraces?

[Mr Celsius]

This has been a question in the back of my mind for a long time.

When you think of your favorite strain, you have to think of where that came from and how it was developed. At least I do. I like the strains that are commercial, but I feel they're very inbred and it would be cool to see a more "pure" strain growing. Who knows, maybe I'd hate it... but I'd at least like to know.

So... how the heck to get a hold of these beans? Do you make friends in foreign places and ask them to send local genetics? I know there is some semi-landrace seed banks and thats probably the most realistic option. I would and probably will travel at some point to collect beans, but thats a little unrealistic at this point.

Hopefully someone will have an idea I haven't really thought of yet. I really like the idea of preserving genetics, but also seeing what people can do with them. I find it amazing what these skilled breeders did with the original landraces in breeding... now I'm rambling.

Thanks

 

[najade]

Landraces

Landraces

Hi
Bluehemp got Nepali, Pakistani landraces ( the claim). From the growing and smoking ´rapports I read, it seemes to be allright. Found a lot of other socalled landraces in small seedcomps. on the net.. Vietnamese, Laos, diff. afro. stains etc. take your time surfe on the net..
Good luck! Cheers!

 

[chizzleonetime]

you have to go to the country yourself to be 100% sure and another thing is most landraces arent very special at all until work has been done, or make friends with someone in an area that your interested in

 

[Londinium]

Yeah you kinda got to do some travelling and a lot of breeding to be sure to get a stable landrace,There is still weed growing in most of the world's best ganja countrys but most of the older strains were hybridised to grow fatter,quicker etc already so its harder than in 60,70,80's.Hard but still worth it,I plan a trip round South Africa this year for just that purpose(I JUST LOVE Malawi Cob and Durban).Its well worth doing lots of research b4 u go though and bear in mind its still Illegal in most countrys.... J

 

[PDO]

i think its worth looking into landraces or for that matter all old school pure genetics especially for breeding purposes. check out breeders choice they have some fine genetics landrace, old school and new school.

 

[Wait...What?]

Commercial varieties are hybrids. That is the opposite of inbred. You can't get more inbred than a land race, for all intents and purposes.

The commercial variety has had an infusion of genetics from outside its line. The land race has only bred with itself for many generations. See also "open pollinated."

 

[cway]

This has been a question in the back of my mind for a long time.

When you think of your favorite strain, you have to think of where that came from and how it was developed. At least I do. I like the strains that are commercial, but I feel they're very inbred and it would be cool to see a more "pure" strain growing. Who knows, maybe I'd hate it... but I'd at least like to know.

So... how the heck to get a hold of these beans? Do you make friends in foreign places and ask them to send local genetics? I know there is some semi-landrace seed banks and thats probably the most realistic option. I would and probably will travel at some point to collect beans, but thats a little unrealistic at this point.

Hopefully someone will have an idea I haven't really thought of yet. I really like the idea of preserving genetics, but also seeing what people can do with them. I find it amazing what these skilled breeders did with the original landraces in breeding... now I'm rambling.

Thanks

Im mexican and live close to Mexico so its easy for me .. Just go back home and hit up the locals.. I also traveled as a GI and was able to get some buy scoring some local herb and seed hunting.. This can be wierd though asking folks random for pot but A Stoner can Spot another stoner regardless of Ethnicticity... At least that was the case for me.. the hard part is bringing them across the border.... Not really hard just nervewrecking..

 

[Mr Celsius]

Commercial varieties are hybrids. That is the opposite of inbred. You can't get more inbred than a land race, for all intents and purposes.

The commercial variety has had an infusion of genetics from outside its line. The land race has only bred with itself for many generations. See also "open pollinated."

I'm sorry I have to disagree with you.

Landraces have variety and express different phenotypes. When dealing with something like Skunk #1, you will find a few phenotypes, but it has been bred to have uniformity, so that when someone buys Skunk #1, they are getting skunk #1. At one point these commercial strains were hybrids, but then massive inbreeding occurred to stabilize traits that were desirable. Landraces will vary in height, high, yield, smell, taste and look. One Vietnamese strain probably wont look the same as another.

 

[C21H30O2]

I'm sorry I have to disagree with you.

Landraces have variety and express different phenotypes. When dealing with something like Skunk #1, you will find a few phenotypes, but it has been bred to have uniformity, so that when someone buys Skunk #1, they are getting skunk #1. At one point these commercial strains were hybrids, but then massive inbreeding occurred to stabilize traits that were desirable. Landraces will vary in height, high, yield, smell, taste and look. One Vietnamese strain probably wont look the same as another.

yes, but strains from the same area of Vietnam do, these are called landraces. strains adapt to the very specific environments of these areas each of which can differ greatly from others in the same country. after generations in a specific environment the gene pool becomes homozygous for many traits ie. inbred.

 

[Mr Celsius]

yes, but strains from the same area of Vietnam do, these are called landraces. strains adapt to the very specific environments of these areas each of which can differ greatly from others in the same country. after generations in a specific environment the gene pool becomes homozygous for many traits ie. inbred.

Which do you considered to be generally a more uniform thing: 1) Something that is selectively bred by man or 2) Something that occur's in nature?

Typically something that occurs in nature is not as uniform. Yes a hybrid of two natural things will have more variation, but typically man has taken traits that they desire and inbred them.

For example, the wolf somehow became the english bulldog. Both have uniformity in a sense, but the english bulldog was inbred much more for its traits.

Its as simple as growing 10 Skunk #1's and 10 seeds from the same source in Brazil. Within its own population (what you're growing), you are probably going to see more variation in the Brazilian landrace then the Skunks.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

No Cannabis is Homozygous, unless made by man to be so...
Every available Cannabis "variety" is Heterozygous as no Homozygous have been released.

For example Skunk #1 is much much more homozygous then any registered hemp variety, I know because I had it tested and compared to lots of Industrial Hemp varieties.

-SamS

 

[C21H30O2]

Which do you considered to be generally a more uniform thing: 1) Something that is selectively bred by man or 2) Something that occur's in nature?

Typically something that occurs in nature is not as uniform. Yes a hybrid of two natural things will have more variation, but typically man has taken traits that they desire and inbred them.

For example, the wolf somehow became the english bulldog. Both have uniformity in a sense, but the english bulldog was inbred much more for its traits.

Its as simple as growing 10 Skunk #1's and 10 seeds from the same source in Brazil. Within its own population (what you're growing), you are probably going to see more variation in the Brazilian landrace then the Skunks.

i dont want to get into an argument i only want to say that if you've ever grown or talked to someone who has grown a true landrace sativa they will tell you the plants a pretty damn uniform and this is a result of the very unique and extreme climates they come from (sweet spots). check out some of the breeders choice grows. a well bred and uniform line should, as you said, show uniformity of traits (homozygous gene pool) but don't doubt the ability of a very very unique and stable environment can have on the natural selection of certain traits. this is why landraces make good P1 breeding stock (DJ shorts words).

 

[Mr Celsius]

No Cannabis is Homozygous, unless made by man to be so...
Every available Cannabis "variety" is Heterozygous as no Homozygous have been released.

-SamS

So your saying there will be variation in the next generation, no matter what?

Honestly, whats your opinion? Which do you believe would have more variation?

 

[Mr Celsius]

i dont want to get into an argument i only want to say that if you've ever grown or talked to someone who has grown a true landrace sativa they will tell you the plants a pretty damn uniform and this is a result of the very unique and extreme climates they come from (sweet spots). check out some of the breeders choice grows. a well bred and uniform line should, as you said, show uniformity of traits (homozygous gene pool) but don't doubt the ability of a very very unique and stable environment can have on the natural selection of certain traits. this is why landraces make good P1 breeding stock (DJ shorts words).

Agreed, I don't want to argue either... debate maybe. You probably know more then I do, so I'll take your word for it. My logic is merely applied from other breeding man has done.

Thanks for the advice and information

 

[C21H30O2]

i want to make clear that i'm not saying that landraces are completely uniform just that they are in some traits which makes them good for breeding.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

It depends on the landrace and the variety selected by man. I have had landraces that seemed to be very Homozygous, but if you check them out they are stable but not Homozygous. Homozygous means the 2 sets of chromosomes are the same, and very few Cannabis varieties have this.

-SamS

 

[charlie garcia]

You always have to work a lot with landraces... a lot.. as said before you have to improve their best traits, uniformity, health, and so. Some are more uniform than others, which as Sam says doesnt mean stability or homozygousity... some are so diverse in phenos... Many of them are full of hermis... others dont worth a shit Some individuals can be good or some lines may have potential to improve so those are the best to be worked

But you have to do the walk to know if not references.

 

[Mr Celsius]

It depends on the landrace and the variety selected by man. I have had landraces that seemed to be very Homozygous, but if you check them out they are stable but not Homozygous. Homozygous means the 2 sets of chromosomes are the same, and very few Cannabis varieties have this.

-SamS

Homozygous generally occurs from inbreeding, correct? Or am I wrong here?

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

You are correct, but to be totaly Homozygous they need to be selfed on a single plant level for 4-5 generations. No one does this as the plants produced are very weak growing with no vigor and they also likely will have negative traits expressing, beside being very hard to do.

-SamS

 

[Raco]

You always have to work a lot with landraces... a lot.. as said before you have to improve their best traits, uniformity, health, and so. Some are more uniform than others, which as Sam says doesnt mean stability or homozygousity... some are so diverse in phenos... Many of them are full of hermis... others dont worth a shit Some individuals can be good or some lines may have potential to improve so those are the best to be worked

But you have to do the walk to know if not references.

Good point kaiki
I´m working with some lebanese landrace from La Bekaa...these are amazingly uniform...there are a few hermies as well
If you get a landrace that is hermie-free...then consider yourself a lucky sob