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libby said:
Thanks very much for the photo's pedro, i'm thinking of doind a scrog with the satori as it's my favourite way.
Do you think satori would be ok for that, or is a scrog ok for any plant?

That plant IS a fast grower going off your pictures!!

My box is about 31/2 ft by 51/2 ft, i'm hoping for 6 out of ten females, i have 2 600hps, do you think one would do the job? i feel 2 lights would be a bit much, no? thanks.

ps. thinking of hydro as well......too much?
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Hi Libby:

How tall is your grow area? That is the critical demension IMO. 2 600's would be great in there IF you have some height to work with. You need the height for 1) room for plants to grow, and 2) for ventilation if you do use both 600's. Two 600's makes a LOT of heat. The lower the height of the grow, the better(more) ventilation you'll need to vent that heat.

Personally, I would NOT scrog Satori. It has the wrong growth habit IMO. But Mike Mandala has LST/Scrog checked so maybe it will work OK. You saw in my pics that it was a NOT branchy type of plant. It likes to grow one main stalk and one main cola. I could swear I read somewhere that Mike didn't recommend topping Satori, but maybe I was stoned LOL!If you have a restricted height, then you'll have to scrog.

EDIT I was totally wrong. This is from Mandala's FAQ

Should I top or prune my plants?

Our strains are bred for high yields and firm stems and branches. It is therefore not necessary to prune the plants in order to get satisfying yields or strong growth. If you want to give them a longer vegetative cycle for extra yields, control height for some reason, or require numerous shoots for cuttings you certainly have the option to prune any of the Mandala strains. The plants grow bushy with quality branches and heavy colas when pruned or topped.


Look on ICMAG under breeders and go to the Mandala forum. Lots of Satori growers there who may have much better information than I do. I'm sure somoen has scrogged it. It's just that the phenos I had didn't look like they would scrog well.

I would recommend you read through the Mandala website if you haven't done so. They have one of the best websites out there for us new growers. Lots of good info. here is a link to it.

http://www.mandalaseeds.com/html/introduction.html

I would read the FAQ and pay particular attention to two areas of it:
Fertilizing wisely
Most common plant nutrient problems

As for hydro. I would stay awy from hydro. The hydro boys will yell at me, but Hydro is a pain in the ass compared to soil grows. Here is what Mandala says about hydro for new growers [and inexperienced ones IMO]

• I am new to growing. Should I grow on hydro or soil to get good results?

We recommend that novice gardeners start in soil and not hydro. Hydro is very labour intensive and there are more potential mistakes to be made. You have to be on the lookout for pH, EC, watering cycles, etc...
Small mistakes can escalate quickly and all of this adds up to a lot of work and worries if you don't have the experience and time.
Hydro is often recommended to get high yields. But with our strains the big difference is that they yield so well just in regular soil, that many growers get the same, or better results, than they ever did with their past hydro crops and different genetics.

Good advice IMO

Hope this helps

pedro
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PrideofCucamong

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update on my plants: a few seem to be getting a little yellow. i think it may be time to start fertilizing, they are about 2 weeks old.

This plant is my only feminized one. It is a skunk 1 and big bud cross. I have been growing this plant seperately under a 23w 5000k cfl. I think heat is becoming an issue, as there are brown spots on the edges of the leaves. You can also see that its baby leaves are turning yellow, is this normal? This plant seems the like the cfl, all its leaves are pointed up towards the light



This plant is skunk #1. It has been growing under two 4ft mix spectrum flouro tubes, it is also getting light from a 42w 2000k CFL. Its baby leaves are also yellowing, and it seems droopy (i think i may have overwatered)



Now this plant seems to be the strongest. It is skunk #1 same as the picture above. It seems to be growing much wider that the other skunks, and much much greener. It baby leaves are not turning yellow (at all.) This plant was grown solely under my 4ft folor tubes.



This plant is the thai haze and skunk #1 cross. It was grown with the 4ft tubes and light from a 23w 5000k CFL and a 42w 2000k CFL. Its baby leaves are yellow.



This plant is the same breed only it has light from just the tubes and the 23w CFL (as you can see.)




I think that part of my problem is overwatering, although they are drying out now. I think that i also need to start some fertilizing.

Let me know what you guys think, any help will be apreciated.

Thanks
 
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Those plants are way too small to be fertilizing IMO. IF you do fertilize them, you better be careful and start at very low PPM's,,,,like maybe 200PPM.

They look like they are in too big a container too, but some like doing that.

Make SURE your pH is within range.

You add dolomite lime to soil?

pedro

Something isn't right with your plants. These are 2 week old plants below.



 
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PrideofCucamong

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did not add lime. the pro mix i am using says it has lime in it for pH. maybe i need more

something is obvisouly wrong if those plants are 2 weeks old. I think my problem was that i didnt add enough water to the promix before i planted the seeds. It was really dry so i added water to each to get the promix wet, but i think i added to much water and i started suffocating the plants.
 
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Mrpiston38

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it could be that your plants soil is to hot or overwatering but your plants may all be runts as well or maybe the seed stock was old here are my Hashberry and earlygirl plants at 20 days.

and even my runt at 20 days

do you have any air moving through the grow space? if not hten you might want to goout and get something. i would not fert those little plants due to there size. also i would rec that for your next gro that you satart them off in smaller contianers. when you grow in bigger pots it will take more time for them to get really established. gl and hope that helped.
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PrideofCucamong

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i did not know that about the smaller pots. i am going to get a fan moving in there too. My closest is really dry... could that have something to do with it?
Thanks for the info piston
 
sirgrassalot

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I'd say you placed the sprouts in a container a little large which resulted in some over watering. The one looks like it came out of the shower all droopy. The mix already has 2 yes 2 limes in one so your ph is buffered & you need to add nothing but feed & water when needed. Otherwise we all want our money back for false advertising not that they advertise to grow our product, it's just perfect for us all by itself.

I spray the sprouts once daily with plain water adding a little spray into their cups.You can also add some B1 in the spray. I'm not really watering them until they start to look like miniature plants. I use the 4' floros.

Than when they're miniatures I will use the size of pot you have & transplant the sprouts into those. The mix than would have been wet with a very light feeding of fish. They'll start taking off & I'll get them under the big lights.
 
PrideofCucamong

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thanks sir grass. I think the problem was watering, the pots were to big and the sides were drying out fast. Plus the room is super dry (cedar closet) so they dry out really quick, i have a humidifier and fan running now, constantly refreshing the air.
 
sirgrassalot

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You'll have greater control using the correct size container all the way through your grow. What's grown above will be replicated below. The mix for sprouts should be kept moist (not wet) so you're able to bend them back & forth (I use a pencil type object) so they get nice & strong. They should not move around in the mix when you do that to them. You'll will get the feel of it in no time.
 
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I just got back. been out of town for a week. Sorry for slow rsponse
Wait till you see my new SSH plant(s) tomorrow. I have an SSH that sprouted 1/31. and it's WAY bigger than those. The ones that sprouted on Feb 7th are bigger than those. Strain is aprt of it but something was/is wrong with his plants and I bet pH is a big part of it.



And yes those plants I pictured are about 14-15 days old.
 
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sirgrassalot said:
Not if he's using promix or we all want our money back. LoL
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You go ask Suby, 10K, BurnOne, MyNameIsStitch( The so-called experts) over on the "infirmary" formum about Promix and adding lime. I'll bet you they tell you the sdame thing I did. Promix needs extra lime.

Those plants are way under size. They are not thriving as they should be IMHO.

pedro
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sirgrassalot

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I'm in the Infirmary helping I don't need to ask anyone what I know already. Promix is fine out of the bail you need Nothing else. I actually taught them something on PrideofCucamong infirmary thread amongst others. You're never to old to learn. If you're hard headed you won't learn squat.
 
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Ok. I'm 60+ years old. I'll readily admit I don't know all the answers.

I do know that those plants on page 2 that are said to be two weeks old are pretty pathetic looking.

I suppose the folks can choose whose advice they want to take. It's a free world, right :) ?

pedro
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These are my two oldest SSH plants for my new grow. They broke ground on Jan 31st. These are what 2 week old plants should look like. They have had nothing but water so far. I'll be transplanting them to 1 liter containers ASAP. I just got back to town from a week away.



The one on the left sprouted Feb 3rd, the right Feb 5th


These two came up on Feb 6th
 
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