NepJam x 303

[BeAn]

They look really nice mate, the combination of the Nep/Jam(Indian Descent or Indica hybrid?)/PNG(x?) should make for a wicked strain...id bet it would aclimatise to anywhere really considering the genetics?...

Got me tagged for the long haul brother..

Much respect..

 

[Gert Lush]

Cheers BeAn, I'm not sure about adaptability and growing outdoors at all (in the UK, that is), the 303 starts flowering very late. Perhaps if the Nep genes take over...
Anyway (if it turns out any good), I'll keep a little plant on the windowsill in the coming autumn, see how it behaves. Not holding my breath, though.

Right, heres a couple of pics of the clones, they've really started growing now, they're almost as big as the current one I'm flowering was when I put it in.
"short" on the left, "tall" on the right. Their names are pretty historical now, they seem much the same height.



Thought I might as well show these pics, as I'll now probably top them again. I'm thinking of doing some kind of SoG - even though they're not really SoG plants (too branchy) - experiment's all good, but got to keep the stash topped up too. Or I might just SoG their mum, she's nice and columnar. And quick. We'll see.

 

[BeAn]

Id say you had two hopes of this cross finishing in the the uk, Bob hope n no hope...lol.

But its gonna turn out well, i think that its a given considering the genetics..

 

[Gert Lush]

As I said, the plant is very branchy indeed. Bordering on the silly. It certainly conveys a feeling of exotic genetics. Remember the mum was pretty columnar.
I don't know if these pics convey anything but FWIW here you go:



The other interesting thing is these structures. When I first saw them it was panic stations, as you can imagine, since they look a lot like bollox.
However, the funny is that they are not bollox, they are buds of some sort that seem to open with a female flower and a new branch (Well, so far anyway, fingers crossed). I'll be keeping a close eye on them.

 

[Gert Lush]

Here's a picture of the growing tips after 15 days under 10/14.
The growth habit reminds me of something, some strain or suchlike, but I can't quite put my finger on what.



Anyone else seen this type of budding anywhere?

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PS. Oh yeah, I remember now (after looking over some old pics). That NL5xHaze I ran a couple of times (mother of the "Dispensation" cut :wink branched a bit llike that, only it was a lot stretchier.
The NepJam mum's budding looked a bit like that too, at the very early stages as can be seen in the first pic in post#13 and look how it turned out!



Here's hoping....

 

[Gert Lush]

18th day under 10/14 (schedule now upped to 11/13)
25" tall and the stretch is coming to an end.

 

[Gert Lush]

Hm, not the best of news...

Turns out those bollock-like structures at the base nodes of the plant DID actually contain bollox! Quite a weird configuration, looked more or less like a male and a female flower in each enclosure.

Anyway, they don't seem to appear higher up the plant, and I've cleared all the lower ones, but who's to say. I suspect that this run will be a tad more... erm, seeded than I planned on.

Oh well, it's all a test, even the €|/@#% bits, I guess. In a few days I'll be putting the other two clones in as well, just to get a better general picture, and then run the whole shebang till, say, end of March - ladyboys or not. I'd be curious to see if the phenomenon shows up on the clones, too.

Well, there are no plans for any ladyboys in my future, so if they persist this line of inquiry will cease. I'm not quite sure where the hernie trait came from, I suspect the "Jam" part of the NepJam myself, they always sprout a few late nanas anyway. I don't think it's the Nepali coz they don't have the reputation, and I don't think it's the 303, coz I've never seen it do it anywhere else though you never know with SE Asian genetics.

Of couse, the most irritating thing is that plant looks an absolute cracker, and now that the buds are starting to form/smell is EXTREMELY appealing. I'll put up some pics soon.

I'm not in a hurry to drop this experiment, certainly not till some smoke has been sampled!

There are still loads of avenues to check, there are still 15-odd NJx303 seeds to sprout, and if they all turn out queer there's still the original Nepali to try. Not to forget those Malanas.... Veremos!

 

[medical_shed]

Hmm, very interesting. I reckon you'll be safe from here on in. I've seen female plants that throw male flowers (not bananas)from just under the buds at that stage of flower that have continued gender issue free for the entire remainder of the grow and the clones didn't show any.
As it's so early on you'll most likely only get a few very mature seeds at the end (on that plant at least).

Fingers crossed it's just a phase they're going through.

 

[Gert Lush]

Wow, that almost sounds promising, medical_shed. I was kinda hoping / not-daring-to-hope that would be a possibility. Do you remember what strains the ones you experienced were?

Fingers definitely crossed and beady eye being kept trained.

 

[Gert Lush]

Day 23 under flowering regime.
Now 28" tall from 10" or so at the outset, so it will 3x+ even topped. I guess untopped it would have stretched 6x easy??? :jawdrop:



Looking rather nice, even if I say so myself.
One or two pistils look prematurely browner, probably the abovementioned problem with the bollocks, but no big deal -- SO FAR!

 

[Gert Lush]

Details of a bud after 26 days under flowering regime.
It's quite interesting just how much like the mum the buds are turning out.



The "hermie menace" has vanished and a plan has now been hatched.

In a few days I'll be putting the other from-seed pheno ("short") in to join this one. Then, a few days after that, when some more space becomes available, I'll be putting in a clone of each as well. First time I've grown a from-seed plant in parallel with its clone, I wonder if I'll notice any significant differences.

 

[ngakpa]

so you reckon the katoey tendencies are from the Jamaican side?

I guess that's in line with the idea that 'sensi' ganja culture makes for a selective pressure in favour of more hermies and intersex traits in the genepool...

plus (so far as I know) in all Asian charas cultures - Himalayan, Hindu Kush, Central Asian - they use seeded plants whether hand-rubbing or sieving

am I right in thinking there is a consensus that the Nepalese Highland is likely to have some introduced Afghan genetics in it

in areas such as Baglung it's said that an as it were 'mythic' American figure introduced both sieving techniques and squat Afghani charas cultivars in the '70s

 

[Gert Lush]

so you reckon the katoey tendencies are from the Jamaican side?

It's hard to say, mate, that's just my first "instinctive" guess (based on growing out a handfull of NJ F2s), but it could be anything, really.

It would need some more extensive testing before being able to say for sure. As it is, I've got <20 seeds, and all from the same mum and dad. I'd need to try it with a slightly wider gene pool before malking any statement that is remotely sensible.

am I right in thinking there is a consensus that the Nepalese Highland is likely to have some introduced Afghan genetics in it

I've never heard that mentioned anywhere before, let alone hearing of a "consensus". However it wouldn't surprise me one bit. I keep harping on about how "indica" these Nepalis can look, and I'm always being told off that they are not indicas but sativas

As for the smoke, well, almost 4 weeks in now, so another 8 (at most - probably only another 6) and we'll know for sure. A smell is starting to develop... I'd say 100% pine, so far.

 

[Gert Lush]

NepJamx303 at 28 days

 

[Gert Lush]

Still makes me smile how similar the NJ mum (left) and daugter (right) look at a similar age. Or maybe I'm just smiling 'cause I've been smoking a lot of NepJam today. :smile:

 

[l33t]

the daughter is more sativa but yeah quite similar ! It has higher calyx to leaf ratio too , which is a plus ! Can you take a whole shot of the plant and include some of the leaf details as well ? That would be nice !

Very nice ... cant wait to see them finished

 

[EddieShoestring]

interesting thread Gert-
the NepJam looks to be a reasonable yielder-i've got a few beans but was concerned they would produce v small amounts of bud-your pics of the mum look reassuring in that respect-

quite a few strains produce odd little sterile male flowers lower down. The Madsat cutting that i grow produces them at node 5 everytime-and you get alot of them on some BBc phenos-
watching with interest
cheers
eddie

 

[Gert Lush]

Thanks for that info Eddie, that's very useful to know and also matches medical_shed's experience. I'm surprised it's not a more well-discussed phenomenon. I'd never heard of it before.

Also, it seems to happen on "special" plants - I wonder how many people may have thrown out a star performer, thinking it was bollox...

If you like a good cerebral smoke mate, go for those NepJam beans. I've never heard anyone complain about NepJama yields, and I've followed a dozen grows of it. Some phenos, in fact, can be real beasts.

I used F2 NJ seeds, so I also got the odd dud but OTOH I also got my best keeper (this mum) so I'm not complaining.

 

[Gert Lush]

The other from-seed plant, "short", going in a month after its sister.
My bestselling book "How to Halt Plant Growth Using Shock Stasis" will be out soon in all the best bookshops
She's not as virile as her sister, leaves seem more fragile and also prone to curl, as you can see.
She does smell marginally better in veg though. We'll see how it goes.



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PS. Comapare to post #26

PPS. l33t I'll try get a photo of the whole plant next time I take them out the drobe. Don't hold your breath, though, mate!

 

[Gert Lush]

And here's the clone of the first pheno, "tall", going into flower now, a bit bigger than last time, but I think I'll try for 4 tips rather than 2.



The other clone (of "short") will go in in a few days.