importance of the ammount of leavelets

[Core]

hello IC....some may now me, other may not....but i'm seeking advise from all that can give me...i've been pondering over this a few days and i realy like to know if there is someone out there that could shed some light over it....

my Question go's like this.....does the amount of leavelets 5,7,9,11 ... and so forth.... have any importance ??! ...like Strain age?growth?,taste?,....breedin capabillities???..and maybe many others vectors that need to be taken in account .....

i need to fill the blanks in,...you know....
if you can point me in the good direction of a good articel or topic ..that also would be swell cool ....i 'm not affraid to read a bit :wink:...no serious...any ideas, thoughts and comments are welcome....

 

[Brastaman]

hiya core

i was pondering the same question a few years ago when i started filtering through a bunch of F2's of different strains. Unfornately, at this moment I haven't found too much info on this topic. Hopefully, SamSkunkman will drop by, he has pretty good insight about these types of questions.

i have read in a breeding book that cannabis with single to three leaflets are less potent than cannabis with three to nine leaflets. <--i have been testing this theory. i believe it was mel frank or ed rosenthal...i'll check and get back at ya.

other than potency...i have in some notes that certain plants, when stressed, will not grow more than three leaflets...what i have notice with regards to the amount of leaflets is, of course, the questions are hard to answer because they are strain dependent and there are so many polyhybrids and polypolyhybrids<--not sure of the scientific term....
most of my experiements dealing with leaflets, is that somehow it is related to growth(maybe amount of light source?)...for example, outdoors i have come across only a few plants that did not grow more than three leaflets(due to genetics?). Also, clones are very sensitive to leaflet production and often times need to avoid early stress and be allowed to grow healthy for a few weeks before leaflet production can continue...i think it really depends on where the clone was taken from on the mother plant...for example, i have taken a clone with one to three leaflets and began to flower it alongside an identical clone that was allowed to grow two weeks more in veg. The clone with less leaflets grew more big luscious leafs but they did not exceed three leaflets, compared to the two week older clone that, when flowered, had begun to develop more leaflets, which continued to harvest.

Sorry, not much facts or articles to point ya to, but i have a few pages dealing with personal experiments and observations.

 

[sativo]

This is a good question. It makes you wonder what the effects could be from a plant growing three-fingered leaves, would it then concentrate more on side branches and shooots? I was pondering this the other day aswell, thanks for putting it up.

 

[Core]

well thx for chiming in Brastaman....i did't find anything myself so thats why i started this thread...so if i read it right,i can assume...the more leavelets the more potent the strain?

but i never had a plant with 3 leavelets all over .....only in veg/reveg i've seen that...but as i gather this is strain related....and maybe as you styated it also depends on the inviroment...but that i'm not shure of

well 2 be honest that leaves me with more blanks then before lol....still thx for chiming in....i'll keep looking for more info :smile:




yea, thought it woz a decent Q ...but my intrest leans more to the breeding and potency of it all.....i even like to know if it is possible to breed in more leaves...if thats even posssible...i guess so....

 

[Raco]

This lebanese girl had 3 blades per leaf,and she was as potent as her sisters.

This Deep Chunk girl had 13 leaflets,and wasn´t more potent than her sisters




If I don´t remember bad,the Skunkman said that this could be envirommental(is that a word ?)

 

[DoobieDuck]

Core...interesting post. I have been told , dating back to the 70s, by one OLD grower that the more leaflets the better. He gets all excited to see the 11 and 13s...but he is the only one I have ever herd this from. In my grows it really hasn't mattered? Hope you find a qualified answer? DD

 

[Raco]

Core...interesting post. I have been told , dating back to the 70s, by one OLD grower that the more leaflets the better. He gets all excited to see the 11 and 13s...but he is the only one I have ever herd this from. In my grows it really hasn't mattered? Hope you find a qualified answer? DD

Have you heard that the sativas that have the thinnest leaves are the most potent and electric?
This is a Cripple Creek that I´m currently growing..she has a lot of leaves such as this:

 

[Core]

heya Raco....:smile:
well my friend it realy is the first time i see a full grown plant that only produces 3 leaves...and she does't look handicap to me ...hehehe..no serious...she looks great to me....
but about the DC....i thought it had so many leaves coz it woz a landrace to begin with... can we assume it is a IBL no?...will that have anything to do with it....?
to make a conclusion....not always, will leavecount tell you that you have a potent strain...but can we assume that most of the plants with 11 or more leaves can/will be more potent/special .....and have breeding capabillities?


heya Doobie
well then ...if this dates back from that time..it will not be a urban ledgend.....there will be some truth innit i suppose.....we will only know if we grow and smoke'm ey...


@Raco...

hehehe nice pic..i've seen that happen to some leaves ..i find it a very intresting trait...cool to watch lol...

well 2 be honest no did't hear that one untill now....then i should have a nice one for shure..this is a panama red i could get my hands on....
she's fragile coz of the thin stems.. :

 

[Tom Hill]

The ultimate potential is genetic, but related to the age of the plant moreso. If you read old descriptions of plants you'll read things like "the 5 bladed indica" & the "13 bladed sativa". These observations were made in these plants original habitats. The five bladed indica was five bladed because the farmers of these regions didn't dare plant before june or so, & the plant did not have time to accumulate its "leaf count" potential. The same indica (Raco showed one) planted in march will attain many more before the late summer/autumn leaf decline. The sativa that refuses to bud for six months usually attains more leaves in its natural environment. There are also sativas that do linger in 3 leafville, sex quick, then take forever to flower as well as indicas (dc) that you can put out very early without risking early flower- I don't know, go figure. Anyhow, my take is this is more an indicator of where the plant is in regards to its want to finish more than any indicator of potency etc.

 

[del...]

just wrapped up a 4 month grow of soma x chronic (awesome hybrid, btw!) and most of them had predominately 3 leaflets. great flavor, potency and yield...

i almost always, if not always see the short-numbered leaflet patterns on plants that have been regenerated starting with single leaves, then 3's, then 5's, before getting back to normal but have never noticed any difference in potency or anything else for that matter...

 

[Core]

hello Tom...thanks for sharing your view and XP on this matter....this clears up more...my conclusion is to first grow and smoke the plant before using it in a cross.....,no matter what leave count it has....i suppose its all about the taste and smell to the owner of the plant....before he should use it to propregate...?
ohw yea a final Q....does leavecount has anything to do wether the plant is stabler or not?

 

[Bluebeard]

C'mon guys. Although there are some varietal exceptions such as the variegated plants from djshort tending to be more potent. There is no general correlation between any leaf traits and potency. The only things the number of leaflets has anything to do with is the genes regulating the number of leaf blades, the vegetative and floral maturity of the plant, and possibly the light intensity. It has absolutely nothing to do with desirability, or even stability.

Southern India has been selectively breeding cannabis almost as long as anywhere else in the world, and many of the greatest tropical that come from this region won't produce any more than three or five narrow leaflets per leaf, but I have seen some great thais which are equally long in flowering but produce up to 13 blades on one leaf.

 

[Core]

It has absolutely nothing to do with desirability, or even stability.

i already thought so but still had to ask

 

[Brastaman]

me thinks tomH sums it up nice. pretty much what all my stone babling was about. most of my experience with leaflet count is age and or genetic related.

core- still looking through books to find comments made about leaflet count...