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Joe Budden

Hi I would like to help all the beginners out there as I myself found it hard when I was starting out years ago, I am compiling a list of tips that I have picked up, and I would like to share them with you.

Ok the first set of tips are for you growers thinking about renting out a house for growing:

If setting up you DO NOT want to grow in an apartment, a house is your best bet, odours can be very strong and you don't want to risk your neighbours smelling them.

Make sure that no police type authority is living around your grow house, look out for a cop car in the drive way :D:D

Make sure that their is no special parking restrictions on your block, this will usually mean police enforcement/presence.

Do not setup near a school, if your ever caught you will be punished harder.

Do not setup where there will be alot of people walking around, the more out of the way your setup is, the better!!

If you don't live in your grow house then make it look like you are leave lights on or better put lights/tv/radio on timers but change the times they come on as often as you can.

Take care of you yard, and the surrounding area.

Talk to your neighbours AS LITTLE as possible and when you do speak to them be very nice and play it cool! Very important!

DO NOT use your regular trash for your 'growing waste' ie clippings, rockwool! police can and will check your trash and if they find anything it might be enough for them to secure a search warrant! Best thing for you to do is burn all your waste!

PAY ALL YOUR BILLS ON TIME!! especially your rent, you don't want an angry landlord discovering what you have done to his house now do you? This is very important!

Another very very important thing to remember is to NEVER SHOW ANYONE YOUR GROW, I can't stress enough how important this is! Even if you think you can trust someone, well you can't!! I have had 'best friends' betray me in the past like this. It doesn't matter if its your girlfriend/boyfriend, this is the biggest mistake! Never ever tell one person. I would even advise you to not tell anyone you are getting some weed in to about a week or 2 before its harvested, if you start telling people that your getting some good weed in a month or two before its grown people will catch onn that your growing it, and in this game you don't need that shit!

Do not flush any leaves/steams or any other kind of growing material down the toilet, some of this may end up in your front yard through the over flow valve! (this actually happens).

If your moving into a new house make sure you change all the locks.

Disguise the entry way into your growroom, ie cover with mirror/dresser, but if this looks too suspicious then don't bother.

Thats basically it, alot of the information is common sense but if anyone else wants to chip in then please feel free!

Many Thanks
Joe Budden
 
upNORTH

upNORTH

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is there something the helicopters cant see tru with their image crap? ie like a big metal board layed on the ground above grow room/lights?
 
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J

Joe Budden

I'm not sure, there is alot of ways to divert the heat from your growroom ie up the chimley, vent it to the basement.
 
kriptoper

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Knice

Knice

Good post,

also remember to have ODOR CONTROL, above anything else. Spend the extra money and it will pay off.

I have head so many stories of people getting busted because of smell, they have a $10,000 system and no odor control, what a waste.
 
J

Joe Budden

Yea Kriptoper odor control is not an option its a requirement for your security and freedom:D
stay safe people
 
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yamaha_1fan

If growing in a house, try to get one with a garage and park the car in the garage. That way nobody knows when you are home or when you arent. Or if you got the extra cash, buy a beater car and switch cars. Point is to keep the neighbors from knowing nobody is home all the time.

If renting the house, try to find an out of town landlord. Craigs list is a good place to look for rentals. Try to use a fake id to put everything in
 
EasyBakeIndica

EasyBakeIndica

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"Talk to your neighbours AS LITTLE as possible"

How does that make any sense?

You wouldn't get suspicious of your next door neighbor if he AVOIDED CONTACT with you?

Most tips the police get (in my area) come from suspicious neighbors, power/hydro company employees, and delivery/service people who encounter smell or suspicious activity.

From that tip, the police start an investigation (usually less than 48 hours long, in my area). They check all the records of that address, trash, and watch traffic in and out of the residence. Usually they walk around the residence and look in the windows.

If they encounter anything suspicious (IE: multiple AC units, loud ballast humming, covered windows, HID light leaks, or smell), they secure the location and call a judge to get a search warrant. Within two hours, they will have a squad knocking on your door.

Often times, if they can't find further evidence to justify a search warrant, they will simply perform a "knock & talk". At this point, you'll receive a knock on your door by one or two police officers. Their goal is to gather information from the persons living at that residence. You have no obligation to give them any information, therefore it is probably best to avoid letting them know you're at home.

IF you answer the door and decide they smell marijuana, they can enter the house immediately and perform a "quick search". As soon as they find the first article of evidence, they will stop and call in a search warrant. At this point you will be handcuffed and forced to wait awhile before more officers arrive with the search warrant and the finish you off.

In many areas, they don't waste all the man hours on surveillance and intelligence gathering (IE: "digging through your trash"). They will simply perform a "knock and talk". Often times, if you're not home on the first visit, they will walk around and visit all of your neighbors.

So, back to my point, it may not be a good idea to AVOID CONTACT with your neighbors. If they say things like, "I'm not sure..." and "He drives a nice car, wears nice clothes, but we never see him going to work." Then you're F#$ked.

Who knows, it may make the difference between having some cops "check up on you" or having your ass made the target of a full-fledged investigation.
 
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Joe Budden

Hey there Easy very informative post, and that is a very important point I somehow forgot to mention, (stoned) :D:D Never ever open the door to anyone while your in your grow house, the police can and will 'smell' marijuana and gain entry to your house and then your screwed! Now the point of avoiding contact with you neighbours is simple the less they know about you the better! Especially if you ever get busted while not at home, who is going to have a brilliant discription of you? well if you are best friends with your neighbours, they are! Keep yourself to yourself, if the police ever go to your neighbours and ask questions well what can they say if they bearly know you, I'm not saying avoid them at all costs, make chat with them when you have to and always be nice and dead on!
 
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ARTofMAKINGfire

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EasyBakeIndica said:
"Talk to your neighbours AS LITTLE as possible"

How does that make any sense?

You wouldn't get suspicious of your next door neighbor if he AVOIDED CONTACT with you?

Most tips the police get (in my area) come from suspicious neighbors, power/hydro company employees, and delivery/service people who encounter smell or suspicious activity.

From that tip, the police start an investigation (usually less than 48 hours long, in my area). They check all the records of that address, trash, and watch traffic in and out of the residence. Usually they walk around the residence and look in the windows.

If they encounter anything suspicious (IE: multiple AC units, loud ballast humming, covered windows, HID light leaks, or smell), they secure the location and call a judge to get a search warrant. Within two hours, they will have a squad knocking on your door.

Often times, if they can't find further evidence to justify a search warrant, they will simply perform a "knock & talk". At this point, you'll receive a knock on your door by one or two police officers. Their goal is to gather information from the persons living at that residence. You have no obligation to give them any information, therefore it is probably best to avoid letting them know you're at home.

IF you answer the door and decide they smell marijuana, they can enter the house immediately and perform a "quick search". As soon as they find the first article of evidence, they will stop and call in a search warrant. At this point you will be handcuffed and forced to wait awhile before more officers arrive with the search warrant and the finish you off.

In many areas, they don't waste all the man hours on surveillance and intelligence gathering (IE: "digging through your trash"). They will simply perform a "knock and talk". Often times, if you're not home on the first visit, they will walk around and visit all of your neighbors.

So, back to my point, it may not be a good idea to AVOID CONTACT with your neighbors. If they say things like, "I'm not sure..." and "He drives a nice car, wears nice clothes, but we never see him going to work." Then you're F#$ked.

Who knows, it may make the difference between having some cops "check up on you" or having your ass made the target of a full-fledged investigation.
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There it is. And on top of that, those X-ray super cameras exist and have for a long time. It's called infrared people come on! And the technology is so advanced BELIEVE your local police has one mounted to the bottom of thier helicopter.

This is from the FLIR website:
"FLIR history
FLIR was established in 1978 to pioneer the development of high-performance, low-cost infrared (thermal) imaging systems for airborne applications. Thermal imaging systems detect the infrared energy (heat) that is emitted by all people, objects and materials. Infrared cameras allow the operator to see in total darkness, adverse weather and through such air pollutants as smoke and haze.

Toward the close of the 1980s, FLIR began to leverage its experience in infrared imaging technology to develop hand-held and laboratory systems for a variety of commercial applications that required not only superior image quality, but also the ability to detect and measure temperature differences. This effort accelerated with the acquisition of the industrial infrared imaging group from the Hughes Aircraft Co. in 1990.

The acquisition of Agema (Sweden) in 1998 and of Inframetrics (Boston, MA) in mid-1999 has given FLIR an engineering team and a sales and support infrastructure that are unmatched. Together Agema and Inframetrics represented over 60 years of significant infrared camera development and thermography applications expertise. Agema Infrared Systems, formerly AGA, developed the first commercial infrared scanner, designed for power line inspections, in 1965. Pioneers in the development of infrared cameras for industrial inspection, other notable Agema achievements included the first battery-operated portable infrared scanner in 1973, the first dual-wavelength system capable of real-time analog recording for R&D markets in 1978, and the first uncooled infrared camera, the Agema 570, and 1997. Inframetrics, also a pioneer in commercial infrared cameras and thermography training, developed the first TV-compatible infrared system in 1975 and the first full-featured camcorder-style focal plane array (FPA) infrared camera in 1995. In 2003, FLIR Systems acquired Indigo Systems, a leading developer and supplier of a wide range of infrared imaging products, including cooled and uncooled infrared detectors, camera cores and finished cameras. The fruits of these acquisitions have had an extremely positive impact resulting in FLIR's dominance in the commercial infrared camera market with more infrared cameras sold than any other manufacturer. FLIR's ThermaCAM series of uncooled and cooled thermal imaging cameras have set the standard for thermographic testing and analysis and are the most widely used IR non-contact temperature measurement systems in the world."
FROM http://www.flirthermography.com

Now go to your local law enforcement web page and look for FLIR related topics. Or better yet, Google it. This is no joke. LE use IR cameras that can pick up the heat signiature of a rat in your basement. But the use of this in an investiagtion or prosecution will greatly vary where you live...

My two cents on security are:
Don't tell ANYONE. Don't tell ANYONE. And you know...
Come here and show us the fruits of your labor and BRAG! That is why this place is so great. We can do that and not FU*K ourselves...
 
KillerDemo

KillerDemo

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ARTofMAKINGfire said:
There it is. And on top of that, those X-ray super cameras exist and have for a long time. It's called infrared people come on! And the technology is so advanced BELIEVE your local police has one mounted to the bottom of thier helicopter.

This is from the FLIR website:
"FLIR history
FLIR was established in 1978 to pioneer the development of high-performance, low-cost infrared (thermal) imaging systems for airborne applications. Thermal imaging systems detect the infrared energy (heat) that is emitted by all people, objects and materials. Infrared cameras allow the operator to see in total darkness, adverse weather and through such air pollutants as smoke and haze.

Toward the close of the 1980s, FLIR began to leverage its experience in infrared imaging technology to develop hand-held and laboratory systems for a variety of commercial applications that required not only superior image quality, but also the ability to detect and measure temperature differences. This effort accelerated with the acquisition of the industrial infrared imaging group from the Hughes Aircraft Co. in 1990.

The acquisition of Agema (Sweden) in 1998 and of Inframetrics (Boston, MA) in mid-1999 has given FLIR an engineering team and a sales and support infrastructure that are unmatched. Together Agema and Inframetrics represented over 60 years of significant infrared camera development and thermography applications expertise. Agema Infrared Systems, formerly AGA, developed the first commercial infrared scanner, designed for power line inspections, in 1965. Pioneers in the development of infrared cameras for industrial inspection, other notable Agema achievements included the first battery-operated portable infrared scanner in 1973, the first dual-wavelength system capable of real-time analog recording for R&D markets in 1978, and the first uncooled infrared camera, the Agema 570, and 1997. Inframetrics, also a pioneer in commercial infrared cameras and thermography training, developed the first TV-compatible infrared system in 1975 and the first full-featured camcorder-style focal plane array (FPA) infrared camera in 1995. In 2003, FLIR Systems acquired Indigo Systems, a leading developer and supplier of a wide range of infrared imaging products, including cooled and uncooled infrared detectors, camera cores and finished cameras. The fruits of these acquisitions have had an extremely positive impact resulting in FLIR's dominance in the commercial infrared camera market with more infrared cameras sold than any other manufacturer. FLIR's ThermaCAM series of uncooled and cooled thermal imaging cameras have set the standard for thermographic testing and analysis and are the most widely used IR non-contact temperature measurement systems in the world."
FROM http://www.flirthermography.com

Now go to your local law enforcement web page and look for FLIR related topics. Or better yet, Google it. This is no joke. LE use IR cameras that can pick up the heat signiature of a rat in your basement. But the use of this in an investiagtion or prosecution will greatly vary where you live...

My two cents on security are:
Don't tell ANYONE. Don't tell ANYONE. And you know...
Come here and show us the fruits of your labor and BRAG! That is why this place is so great. We can do that and not FU*K ourselves...
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those flir searches are illegal in the US.... invasion of privacy
 
ARTofMAKINGfire

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KillerDemo said:
those flir searches are illegal in the US.... invasion of privacy
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Correct. But it is a form of investigation. First they get permission to FLIR your home, then, if they get a signature, they can get a search warrant based on that.
I'm not even sure if they need permission to use the FLIR. It can't be used in court, but it can be used as a tool to verify a grow and make a bust. If they present infrared images to a judge that indicate a grow, the judge WILL issue a warrant on that information...
 
ARTofMAKINGfire

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LAW ENFORCEMENT DOES NOT NEED A WARRANT TO FLY OVER YOUR HOUSE AND TAKE INFRARED PICTURES. IT IS WHAT THEY ARE ABLE TO DO WITH THESE PHOTOS THAT VARIES STATE TO STATE...
I can tell you from personal experience. If a neighbor calls in and says they smell weed, as a form of investigation, (much like goign through your garbage) they send up the birddy....
 
ARTofMAKINGfire

ARTofMAKINGfire

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I know. Am I alone on this? Are some of you growing without knowing these things!?!?!? I hope not...
Props on the intention of your posts... Helping out.
 
J

Joe Budden

Well alot of the stuff talked about on the security part of this form is mostly common sense!
 
TGT

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One thing I would like to point out is dehumidifiers are mandatory. I use one in the grow room in my basement and one up stairs for the purpose of keeping the windows from fogging up. It's an easy one to over look, but windows fog up the most during the winter months, so keep an eye on them.

Just a tip I thought was important to mention as I over looked this when I first starting a large grow a few years back. For about a week the windows were extremely fogged when I finally noticed and ran to the store in a pannick to buy an extra dehumidifier. I thought one for the grow room was enough, but realized with the amount of plants I had another one for the upstairs was needed.

TGT
 
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