Can You Taste It? Organic vs Chems

[Johnny Rotten]

I Know, Another stupid Organic vs Chem bullshit thread....

Hopefully not this one....

I've got a little test for everyone. I want you to pull a leaf off, a nice green one but not a fan leaf (unless your into that) and chew it up. How does it taste?

Slightly bitter? Like grass? Sweet tea? Dog shit? Does it burn?

Tell me what it tastes like and what your nutrient schedule is.

Hopefully you don't spray with something you wouldn't eat....

 

[Smoke68]

In my garden-
P2 is almost an onion flavor... it sticks for a while too.
P3 one is a tiny more bitter, not bad but bitter.
P4 is a little bitter, mixed with skunk... A dead skunk with a bitter almost foul taste.
The only leaves that burn when I eat is leaves that where burned or have hardcore necrosis.
My regimen is-
PBP grow 10 ml/gal
Liquid K. 10 ml/g
Silica blast-7ml/g
Hydrogaurd 7ml/g
Superthrive (IDK why)
I spray with LK, and once and a while BushMaster. Nothing a slight rinse can't take care of.

 

[foaf]

no, I dont believe that you can taste the difference in well grown, well fertilized non-organic, and organic grow. the plant is taking what it needs, regardless what you give it.

Im in flower, flora nova nutes. I tasted a leaf and it doesnt taste bitter or chemical. Sweet perhaps, and chlorophilly.


BTW - the reason I stuck my head in was to relate a worrisome story that JR might want to hear.

I was in the Hard Rock Cafe in Grand Cayman a couple of months ago, and on the wall there is a guitar that Johnny Rotten used. Right next to it is a big display case that has a tuxedo once worn by Kevin Federline. I reported this to the management as I fear if the two should touch there would be a matter anti-matter reaction and destroy the island. They didnt understand.

 

[Guest]

I always thought chem was crap but I smoke some GDP and "others" grown with FN and it rocked like grape and the "others" each had their own respective taste. But i do feel chem hydro tastes bland.

Im a PBP plus additives guy right now.

 

[Jack Crevalle]

No, because "organic" nutrients are only derived from an organic source, there are very "chemmy" organic nutes and others that are more natural, this is stuff you learn in college, not guestimating the way people label nutrients.

The main thing is the way you feed and flush the plants....for example, the bud may taste shitty if you add nitrogen in late flower etc...

 

[KUSHEATER1]

How ya feed her I flush my soil ladies but my ladies in Dwc I don't and I haven't noticed any difference in Dwc

 

[chosen]

I've always heard that as well. Yet, I've never noticed a difference.

 

[goldenahms]

I plucked a leaf close to a bud--I have to say it just tastes leafy.

lol

I'm growing DP PP, organic.

Can anyone taste the difference in an organic bell pepper versus a ordinary chem-grown supermarket bell pepper?

[I know they sell organic at the supermarket, but you know what I mean..]

 

[Johnny Rotten]

I posted this on an observation.
I grow outdoors/ indoors sometimes full organics. Teas, molasses, meals, etc. Mostly in Lambert's Potting mix (the FUCKING SHIT) or in the ground.

My leaves always taste sweet, slightly chloryphyllish, but GOOD! Like I'd eat a plate of em without dressing....

My buddy, who is growing the SAME CLONE, NLxHaze, but indoors in hydro with Ionic Nutes, and his taste like the bitter part of a walnut. It burns and makes your tongue tingle.

We won't go on about the buds...he even flushes with clearex....

But my question is, if plants only take up N-P-K, what is causing this? Are my plants just healthier and have higher brix levels? Is something else at work here?

 

[Meditating]

Well this is my opinion. No matter if you use organic nutrients or chemical nutrients the molecular forms that the plants are taking up are the same. For instance Nitrogen is taken up as NH4+, NO3- and/or Urea, Phosphorus is taken up as (H2PO4)- and (HPO4)2- and Potassium is taken up as K+. Now these are just the main elements that are usually discussed but there are many more as well. I think the difference lies in the bioavailability of these forms in the medium and there may very well be a distinct difference between using a water solution for root cultures vs. the soil. Mycorrhiza aid in the uptake up mineral elements that are lacking in the substrate but host (bacteria) - plant symbiotic relationships are only formed when the plant is unable to obtain enough, therefore I do not think this is the case for the differences in quality. I do believe however that the most healthy specimens produce and store an overabundance of sugars such as fructose in cell vacuoles which could be the reason for sweetness when tasting out the leaves. Hydroponics is very difficult to maintain if you are not well versed in this method for the reason that mineral nutrients are taken up in various amounts not say 1 mg of N,P,K all at the same time. This becomes a problem in that toxicity of one mineral element can build up while another is limiting and therefore nutrient solutions need to be completely changed on a regular basis. As for soil the matrix of the substrate creates almost a barrier for complete availability of nutrients such is the case is water and as root hairs migrate through the soil more nutrients become available because they are kind of stuck there. I think the best results come from well aerated soil because plant roots migrate as chemical nutrients are needed given that the soil is not overfertilized or too hot. Of course as to say you can have bad results with soils and hydroponics its completely dependent on the care that was taken to ensure proper nutrition.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

I'm not sure what one can tell from chewing on a green leaf... but one way I check to see how well my plants are flushing, is to break off a fan leaf, and taste the sap that is on the end of the stem... The more flushed the plants get, the more it will taste like water... I think it was Crazy Composer who showed me that....

 

[Rollin Face]

WHoa Head thats pretty cool info, i think ill try that!

 

[Meditating]

Just a note of advice about the flushing. There are two different classes of elements when it comes to nutrients. On one hand you have your phloem mobile elements such as N,P,K,S and Mg and the rest of the trace elements are phloem immobile such as calcium, Iron, Zinc, Copper, Mo, Boron and Manganese. When flushing the substrate or nutrient solution the plant will first show deficiencies in phloem immobile elements such as the trace elements in the upper leaves because they are unable to be used up by the plant. The only deficiency you will eventually see are symptoms of the lower fan leaves because phloem mobile elements can move up to the top of the plant to support the new tissues. Say for instance in a hydroponic solution you are able to completely rid the plant of any new nutrients and the peak time before harvest the phloem mobile nutrients are aka "used up" from the lower fan leaves (sources) to the upper flowering buds(sink). This sounds like a reasonable explanation but the fact is these phloem immobile elements are significant to metabolic processes and using up the phloem mobile elements will be slowed if not hindered because of this. What I would suggest is in the last 3 or 4 days of flower if using a hydroponic medium is to supply only the phloem immobile elements so metabolic processes are able to take place at the bud sites and yet the residual N,P,K are used up from the rest of the plant.

 

[chosen]

Alot of nutes these days are hydro organic or part chem and part organic. I'd find it difficult to believe that you would notice a difference. And lots of people use additives that are organic as well. It's the perpetual crap pushed out by the industry along with a host of other Fairy Tales.