How big of a roll does genetics play...

[AinSophAur]

In terms of potency and bag appeal, under optimum conditions could one still grow quality bud with both parents having low grade genetics?

Lets say you have a bag of seeds that came from some crappy mexibrick weed. Through selective breeding could you eventually end up making a perfect smoke? How many generations/years do you think it would take?

 

[Guest]

you might want to check out this thread http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=69997

For me it's all about proven genetics breed by true breeders who know what their doing...it's a lot of hardwork and time/space

 

[Berry_Coughin']

If it's not in the gene-pool, you're not gonna find it.

Some of the most notorious strains today are from bag-seed.

 

[Guest]

you will probably initially be able to grow out buds that smoke better than the original stuff you had. This is because you can control the environment, flower time, and drying and curing process.

You could very well find some quality genetics, though long term inbreeding will cause overall loss in plant vigour and probably a loss in potency too.

Selectively inbreeding for just a few generations could potentially get you some kind of nice keeper though.

 

[dontlockmeup]

A shitty grower can completely F up weed that has good genetics. So the crappy weed that you got your seed from could have had good genes. It could have just sucked because of a shitty grower/drier. Yet you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. So genetics do play a roll in the end with optimal conditions.

 

[AinSophAur]

Good point. I didnt think about the consequences of inbreeding. Wasnt sure if it worked on the same principle as humans and animals. Makes sense though why shouldnt it.

 

[Ganico]

Lets say you have a bag of seeds that came from some crappy mexibrick weed. Through selective breeding could you eventually end up making a perfect smoke? How many generations/years do you think it would take?

Might not even need to breed, there might be some great phenos straight from mexi bagseed. If you grow that weed, it's not gonna be bricked up on the plant before you even cut it down, haha

I think you'd be surprised how good "crappy mexibrick weed" can be if grown out and harvested, dried, and cured "properly"

 

[Guest]

genetics is it.... but ive seen mexi brick seeds get the indoor makeover and turn out to be some pretty decent, frosted bud that didnt look anything like the original . so yea its possible, atmosphere plays a huge role.

 

[Soft Smoke]

I read a book about dog breeding recently. It was specifically about how various breeds came to be. The universal theme was that it took many generations aof meticulous breeding and selection to creat a few select genetic lines that possessed one or more dominant traits that were very desirable. These lines were maintained and selectively crossed with the hopes that the new hybrid line created would show more of the desirable traits over successive generations, thus creating a new set of breeding lines. This would continue until the lines were combined to form a true breeding hybrid with the desired traits showing up dominant in every generation. This was haw many of the world's greatest working dog breeds were formed over hundreds of years in some cases.

It is entirely within the laws of probability and gentic chance that your bagseed could contain a gentetic freak that produces uber-weed. But would it breed true? Would it pass on its best traits to its offspring or would the traits which made it so wonderful prove to be recessive traits that are genetically overwhelmed by a more robust mate?

Genetic breeding for viable vigorous strains with many top notch qualities is difficult to say the least. Amazing grow skills are only the most basi of skills required to be a breeder. Compulsive record keeping, a fanatic's eye for detail, immense knowledge of plant biology and physiogomy, and the personal contacts with other breeders to obtain valuable gentic lines are also a must!

So....can you breed a master cut from bagseed? yes it is within the realm of statistical possibility. Is it likely to happen? About as likely as my fart blowing a candle out in my neighbors house.

But trying sure is fun!

SS

 

[COUNT-DE-MONET]

When i first started,I grew out some mexican bagseed.....It turned out beautiful,stunk
to high heaven,and had a great taste,compared to the shitty bad tasting,harsh shit
that it was in the beginning but........The "HIGH" was exactly the same, kinda weak,
cheap commerical style 20 dollar a quarter.

 

[Dalaihempy]

If its a pure line it will be the same if its a hybreed then you will get veration.

How big of a roll does genetics play... The largest you cant turn hemp into quolity smoke so starting off with the best is your best foundation.


Its like trying to turn a poodle into a pitbull .

 

[Guest]

If one can make something good out of nothing (which is possible, with excellent nutrients, and TLC to all the details) imagine what one can do with the same techniques and care, using great genetics...... There is just no comparison.

A lucky find from Bagseed is satisfying, certes, but time and space are $_____...... It can take up to a Year to determine if something is a keeper or not.

If one does not use good genetics, IMHO, one compromises one's ability to come up with gourmet smoke by at least 50 percent.

If one DOES start with a good seed with potential of a good pheno, or Male, if that is the goal, luck is still required, but odds are very much greater to find a good Parent. Isn't this the whole point....?

Within reason, almost any price is not too much to be able to have a unique - and vigorous - Super I-Grade Mother....

Below a great pheno of what I have been told is a variant of C99 X Bubba Kush, from a Mom I have personally - from a seed pack from a controversial known breeder - the genetics are whatever they are, I have my idea that they identifiers are correct.... But whatever it is, it is super californicus..>! And Mine to share..... ROCK HARd, ridiculously so.... Trichomes on the Vertical stems at day 24...!

I recommend lotsa study, in these pages, and then a visit or 50 to Seedboutique, or Seedbay..... Rotsa Ruck. Don;t forget to write... ! lol

 

[crownedsparrow]

good advice icysurfer. taht shiz looks beautiful

 

[Guest]

thx CS.....

Most growers use others' clones.....

That's OK. All good. Go for it. Overgrow.....

But, I prefer to keep the room free of others' pathogens and insects. Even with dipping in a mildewcide, or miticide, they can still show up later......

If one starts with seeds, it is proprietary, and much more satisfying to find a Mom that you discover, develop, spoil, and keep for generations to come. If it is a winner (and the ratio of mediocre to winner is not tilted toward obvious success) whatta feeling.

Also, the possibility of finding Males for a "partnership," I am getting interested in this aspect nowadays.

Again, for those not yet aware.....

seedboutique.com

seedbay.com

order w/confidence