the problem is that no one can know the reality of the situation. 
Tom Hill Haze
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I’m on the hunt myself. I want the best strongest Haze there is… when I use it I want this.
I don’t know about anybody else’s experience, and this is just based on my own humble little experience, but I can say the best “effects“ belongs to Original Haze from @JohnnyChicago … probably because it’s 100% pure?
It's not like I haven't posted in this thread lol. Politics is only truthful to those that believe the garbage they tell ya. It's not the 1st time you've brought up me and politics in other areas of the site. Lots of people won't agree with your political ideologies. Maybe that section isn't for you if you felt the need to bring it up in here. When was that 1-2 years ago? It sure looks like someone was hurt lol.
The meme was related to TH rants .. He baits any that will respond to them. Just don't respond.
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the mm repro seeds i bought are similar bred and were all head were the th and todds both contain body,which i like also ,,the mm haze was funny in that it caught me off guard making me paranoid in such a subtle way i hardly noticed it which was a first lol i still havnt found my grail im hoping some mm crosses to skunks and other hazes might have what im looking for going off sams information the crosses can be better than both parents which of course makes sense f1s etc
TheDarkStorm
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Haze#19 never came straight away.....it come at least a year or year and a half after sam was in Holland..also it was a female clone...the seeds from the clone were given werenard...sam even polinated the plant himself with the pollen they give him....im sure if I remember right wernard and posi had another female haze clone to they were getting sam to use as well for them...ot1hz comes from the communes....ther were 3 batches he had...they came in 66-69......also by the way he mixed some of them up...inbred them.....ace worked them extensive too....once you start ibl-ing a hybrid it can get to the point it largely becomes its own thing...eg ...thai/mex/lumb1/lumbo2 x lumbo1 when inbred would start becoming mostly lumbo.....on phylos that would just match with the nearest lumbo.....you would also have the issue of the scents and high and vigour changing....and also the change between quality of the intial f1 compared to progeny from f6 or even f20.Trending > Cannabis Sciences
SEP 17, 2019 11:45 PM PDT
Cannabis Genetics 101
WRITTEN BY: Mauri Brueggeman
Have you ever wondered about the genetics of Cannabis? Humans have 46 chromosomes in total; we have a diploid genome (2n = 46) or 22 pairs and two sex chromosomes. Females have two X chromosomes and males have an X and a Y chromosome. Yep….this isn’t new to most folks. However, did you know that the Cannabis plant also has a diploid genome but only has a total of 20 chromosomes. Each plant cell nucleus has 9 autosomes with a pair of sex chromosomes; an X and a Y just like humans in fact. Well, not just like humans but kind of.
Human sex chromosomes are vastly different in size; the X chromosome is 155.3 Mb and has approximately 833 genes where the human Y chromosome is 59.4 Mb and contains approximately 72 known genes. The human haploid genome size equals approximately 3,300 Mb. Comparatively, the total cannabis genome haploid size is 818 Mb for female species and 843 Mb for males. The size difference is accounted for by the larger Y chromosome in male plants.
Gene expression patterns are variable in plants, similar to humans. In humans, different tissues have different roles so genetic expression is regulated in unique and complex ways. In plants, most of the cells are similar in form and function; metabolic pathways and expression are far less diverse, but still manage to produce different phenotypes. For example, the flower cells of the cannabis plant show expression patterns for cannabinoids and terpenoids in all phases of flower development compared to the rest of the plant components. The highest density of trichomes, which produce cannabinoids, are found within the female plant flowers.
One group of researchers found expression differences between marijuana and hemp and determined that these were due to small genetic variations that directly or indirectly change gene expression and which enzymes and cannabinoids are synthesized more. In one cannabis strain, a key enzyme called ∆9-tetrahydrocannabinolic acid synthase (THCAS) is expressed at higher levels and results in higher amounts of THC; in another strain, the enzyme cannabidiolic acid synthase (CBDAS) is expressed at higher levels leading to increased CBD presence and decreased presence of THC.
It is interesting to think, just for a moment, about the similarities and differences between plants and humans which starts at the level of our DNA; in how cellular machinery and genetic components work together to express a particular phenotype and have the power to change the end product in such a way. It is still remarkable when you stop and really consider it.
Sources: Genome Biology, PLOS One, ResearchGate,
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What do we know about the unknown/legendary Colombian Gold?
25/75 indica/sativa landrace from colombia., giving as a result a mixture of pure lines come from santamarta zone. The history dates tell us that this variety was used by Simon Bolivar in his trips around amazonas, in which he interchanges spices and medicinal plants with natives during his conquests. High, vigorous and branched, its smell is sweet and intense, stands out for its flavour and powerfull psicodelic effects.
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Recently from what I have read was that OT haze was from one of the last reproductions of haze in Cali.
@Sam_Skunkman lived with Wernard (Positronics) when he arrived from USA haze #19 THH ?
Old positronics strain. Seedling No.19 out of an original-Haze selection. The seeds was given to Wernard from Sam the Skunkman
Tom Hills Haze Description
Haze is a four-way hybrid of some of the finest narrow-leaf tropicals that the world has ever known (Mexico, Colombia, S. India, Thailand), so the legend goes. A long flowering plant that gives wispy yields of the highest quality. This line is out of Sam Skunkmans stock by way of Positronics seeds ("Original Haze") circa mid 1990's. It does not breed true for its intoxicating properties, however the best examples (approx 5%) are electrifyingly cerebral. For decades, words have utterly failed to fully capture the intensity of effect that a good example of Haze can give - it is absolutely in a league of its own and must be experienced. Indoor flowering 14 to 16 weeks
Type: Mostly Sativa
Flowering: 14-16 weeks
Dutch Flowers' Metal Haze Description
Experienced smokers know nothing comes close to the potency of a true Haze. Growers also know this, but long flowering periods, unruly phenotypes, and the infamous 1-in-5-crapshoot chance of finding a special female have held many back. Breeding an indoor-friendly Haze strain that consistently delivers superior potency has been the very focus of DF breeding efforts since its inception. To that end, the team has collected and grown enough clones and crosses to setup a small Haze museum. Synthesizing our best Haze genetics into one line posed a considerable challenge. In early trials, proven clones passed down their potency genes on to the next generations using an unacceptable, unpredictable domino pattern. To develop a superior seed line, males were tested the hard way, growing out their offspring to recognize the best possible pollen source. Winning donors pollinated our choicest females, and their offspring was then heavily selected at the second generation. Recombinant individuals displaying the desired potency, phenotype, flowering and yield traits were identified and inbred into separate lines. Three years after the project begun, the resulting lines were finally blended, giving rise to our Metal Haze, a hybrid that received high praise from skeptic industry testers. Named after the metal-lit room that keeps our Haze clone collection alive, Metal Haze displays the brain-warping quality that fueled the legend. It is a modern, trippy cerebral sativa, with classic psychoactive soar and scant body cues. Connoisseurs report a deadly, creeper with no ceiling, combination of effects. The phenotype is fully suitable for indoor growing, with a branching habit resulting in an abundance of dense, oily, attractive buds. Aromas range from animal sour spice to sweet piney mint, often accompanied by rotten meat undertones. Overindulging the Metal Haze is not recommended for the sativa sensitive or the inexperienced. It is a deceptively smooth smoke that starts out uplifting and super-active -ideal for musicians and creative types- and climbs ever higher in a succession of intense waves, taking perception to uncharted lands. We trust the virtues bred into Metal Haze to earn its place in discriminating gardens, and satisfy demanding sativa aficionados.
Flower: 56 - 77 days
Indoor / Outoor
Yield: 450 - 500 grams/m²
Phenotype: Indica-sativa
Effect: Ultra Strong Sativa
No Mercy about the Santa-Maria F8 (actual version):
After having crossed a Santa Maria with a Mexican Haze and a Silver Pearl and inbreeding the resulting plant for 4 generations, one male was selected to pollinate a pure Santa Maria mother. After this we inbred 8 times by backcrossing a male/son with the mother (a pure Santa Maria). Scientifically spoken an F6 should be pure, but according to our experience cannabis plants become truly pure only in F8. In other words: this Santa Maria is pure. A good and fast “white” plant for both indoor and outdoor. Santa Maria’s have proven themselves over and over again for the last 15-17 years. This exotic variety has very powerful erotic effects.
By they way im not sure were this last grows of hz thing with ot1hz comes from as he said him self those were just test versions and not thee thing....they were still trying to develop an get to the one....so in order to do that growing is involved
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I was seeing a show at the Beacon theater in New York City many many many years ago someone down in the front was blowing out clouds of smoke the incredible smell had people kind of gasping in astonishment if I recall correctly it was just lingering in the air like nothing you can imagine.. it had to be that uptown Haze… ?
led05
Chasing The Present
I enjoy this post…. It’s interesting & informative w/out all the noise…
Pure Colombian next to pure SE Asian, just flowers I cut sitting in a humid garage many months I left hanging to experiment
I promise you the Cambodian x Laos (green) is wtf stronger, scary, more unique & rare all @ - Please spare me (JIC) the “it’s swag Lumbo” it’s not… I tried to find the more specific post on “brown weed” which I too love, but believe your post may have been deleted… censorship, snowflakes….I looked a few minutes, long enough
IME most nearly All Lumbos are notorious for easy brown up, most South & all Americans are IME, but some these wild & PURE (not hybrid) SE Asians hold the green WAY longer…
How many unique SE Asians you played with; do you notice this Tom?
Id appreciate jokes & condescension aside & honest answers in advance…
Thank you
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@flower~power if you want more haze seeds, tom hills haze seedsman just say the word.
CreeperStipule
Active member
Tell you what I do know -
That's Chimera saying they are long gone ie sold out. TH is saying he never got his $$$$$.
It really is that simple.
TH has stated that Chimera has come up with all kinds of bollocks about this but never paid.
So a simple question for you - is TH lying?
Way back when if someone had someone over then the community would know and let it be known about said person scamming (Chimera himself has done flaming on others), it now seems it's acceptable which is sad and wrong (esp when it's been done by a member who was respectable and built his own persona on morals, ethics etc.)
Maybe other breeders should be careful who they get in with and deal with.
Tell you what you're UK right, yet I bet you wouldn't give me shit to my face about knowing shit bout shit... seriously let's have a chat somewhere......
F2F
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this spring I’m gonna try and crack more of those beans you graciously spread FP. You’ve said nothing but good about those.
On the flip side of things - on vacation without my flower, asked for the “most sativa” vape pen they had at the dispensary - BORING, very level, very muted high. Makes u appreciate things is at least one positive from the experience I guess.
Peace
F2F
Does it have to be so black and white?
............ isn't there any room for simply mistaken?
.................... and is Chimera gonna deliberately ruin his long-term rep by screwing over another breeder for $
acespicoli
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Interesting points the other point is genetic drift. I read a scholastic article the other day. Its in my sig under breeding...Point of the study was variations in genetics and pheno types where its stated that something lime 73% of the differences in the strains was due to latitude from say like from kerala of south india to the mountains of Northern Pakistan.
The point is a old batch of haze 30 years old or a new collection of the genetics landraces to make a modern day haze is many xxx's better than a f30 ?
As TH said he has a old batch of seeds that he will reproduce and knock off everyones socks with it... and put it up against any modern f whatever... so theres that ?
acespicoli
Well-known member
Interesting points the other point is genetic drift. I read a scholastic article the other day. Its in my sig under breeding...Point of the study was variations in genetics and pheno types where its stated that something like 73% of the differences in the strains was due to latitude from say like from kerala of south india to the mountains of Northern Pakistan.
The point is a old batch of haze 30 years old or a new collection of the genetics landraces to make a modern day haze is many x's better than a f30 ?
Why because once its grown out of its native enviroment every generation will be different.
Ever so slightly you may not even realize it unless you saved bud from the first grow?
Is your homegrown the same as a thai grown thai?
Some strains are more sensitive to being dialed in others are more noob friendly
As TH said he has a old batch of seeds that he will reproduce and knock everyones socks off with it and put it up against any modern f whatever... so theres is that ?
Id like to see TH run a vintage old haze seed reproduction wonder what his oldest seeds are ? Mel Frank and Sam save 30 year old or older seeds why?
CreeperStipule
Active member
TH has laid it out time and time again, was all in the thread in Chimeras forum that vanished, Chimera manages to get on Twitter daily doesn't he? and is on Instagram yet he can't get on here? or spk to TH? but you know this already as you were present as was Cvh, he could of sorted it (even payment or sorted with TH) yet he hasn't.
As I understand it Chimera has been looking after a family member and probably doesn't give a shit at this time but still he hasn't paid according to TH.
Explain to me how TH would be simply mistaken? is he lying? did he forget he was paid? come the fuck on.
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It's not my job to explain anything because I don't know anything for sure but, I do know that Chimera is a professional and has a day job so, he's not likely to engage online and come wrestle in the mud pit with Tom.
......... and yeah, maybe Tom did forget or just got confused. He's mentioned that he's autistic and drinks/self-medicates to treat the condition, so medicating may be an issue in recalling events, not to mention the passage of time.
But whatever/whomever, I wish them both the best in resolving the issue.
......... and yeah, maybe Tom did forget or just got confused. He's mentioned that he's autistic and drinks/self-medicates to treat the condition, so medicating may be an issue in recalling events, not to mention the passage of time.
But whatever/whomever, I wish them both the best in resolving the issue.
Yeah dude, he is simply full of shit. For years I have been at the other end of his bullshit plain and simple. He suggests western union years ago back when he said I killed myself. Then there was no western union near his br guys a year later when I ask wtf. If I only had a bank account like a regular person so I gave him one then no banking for another year due to covid. The absolute last straw was calling me a pedo as an excuse to not pay me based on me running some Asian whores some years back. It is the most despicable thing I ever seen a man do to weasel out of debt and I am sickened, absolutely sickened, that he still rolls here. I want nothing to do with anybody who pretends any of this shit is acceptable behavior and don't say I didn't warn you guys
either. Bottom line? Dude spent my cheddar, ain't got it, took some shit upon himself that was not his to take.
He been hiding in his mom's basement is what the fuck he been doing.
....... too bad he hasn't been here in 2 yrs., would be nice if he were to respond.
