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In recent months, a synthetic compound derived from hemp called THC-O acetate—often referred to simply as THC-O (pronounced “THC oh”)—has quickly gained popularity among Americans who don’t have access to legal cannabis.

THC-O’s appeal lies in its potency and its legal status. Research has found that it’s roughly three times stronger than conventional THC. It has been called “the psychedelic cannabinoid” for its borderline hallucinatory effects. Because it’s derived from federally legal hemp, THC-O products are becoming increasingly popular in the states where consumers don’t have access to legal, state-licensed delta-9 THC products.

And now that delta-8 THC, its trendy cousin, has been outlawed in some states across the country and flagged by the DEA, THC-O’s star may rise even faster.

What is THC-O?


Although many of us only recently heard about THC-O, the US military began studying its effects as long ago as 1949; they observed it eroded dogs’ muscle coordination twice as much as conventional delta-9 THC.
Typically, acetic anhydride is added to delta-8 THC to produce delta-O acetate.​




THC-O didn’t appear on the DEA’s radar until nearly 30 years later. In 1978, DEA agents discovered a clandestine lab in Jacksonville, Florida, had combined a cannabis extract with acetic anhydride. But over the following 10 years, THC-O did not enter the illicit market. Since it didn’t seem to be a growing problem, the federal drug agency declined further investigation into the unusual compound.

Today the production of THC-O acetate is raising concern among some in the state-licensed cannabis industry. To generate the molecule, a highly-flammable compound called acetic anhydride is added to THC molecules. The process involves a series of extractions that begin with hemp, the low-THC cannabis plant that was made federally legal by Congress in the 2018 farm bill. First, CBD is extracted from raw hemp. Then delta-8 THC is extracted from the CBD. Finally, acetic anhydride is added to the delta-8 THC molecules to make THC-O acetate.

Experts say this process should only be done under controlled laboratory conditions, due to the health risks involved.
THC-O products like vape carts and tinctures are available for purchase online, both their legal status and their safety remain unproven.

Don’t make THC-O at home


“The process of making THC-O acetate is inherently dangerous,” the renowned cannabis researcher Dr. Ethan Russo recently told Hemp Grower. “This is something that’s got to be done in a technical lab with a vacuum hood [and] no exposure to humans.”
If you want to use delta-O, always buy, never DIY.​




Some THC-O retailers have echoed Russo’s warnings on their own websites. “Please don’t try to make THC-O on your own,” cautions the Honest Marijuana Co., an online seller of THC-O products. “The process requires special equipment and advanced training to get right. And volatile, flammable, and explosive chemicals are necessary. It’s not worth your life (or your home or your eyebrows) to do something that a lab can do better and safer. If you want to use THC-O, always buy, never DIY.”

If produced successfully, THC-O acetate resembles a thick brown liquid, similar to motor oil. As such, it can be consumed in vape cartridges, tinctures, and edibles.
Is THC-O safe to consume?


A lack of research and a profound lack of regulation based on actual data means that mysteries about THC-O acetate are prevalent.

Beyond its potency, researchers have concluded that THC-O acetate is a “prodrug,” meaning that the compound is not activated until it has been metabolized. It takes about 20 to 30 minutes to kick in.

James Stephens is a cannabis researcher and chemist. He’s investigated the effects of THC-O as part of his work for Iron Light, a cannabis product and brand consultancy based in Missoula, Montana. Stephens cautions that there are wide variations in product quality right now, early in the compound’s commercial emergence.

“If you’re using low-quality extract material and low-quality reagents you bought online from Alibaba or whatever, you’re likely to get way less pure of a product than if you’re using clean [and pharmaceutical-grade] reagents and do a lot of downstream purification steps,” Stephens told Leafly.

What’s in these products?


Stephens regularly reaches out to THC-O acetate producers online. When they send him testing results, he is alarmed by the lack of specificity. “It’s 10-15% unknowns in there. I ask, ‘What’s the rest of the stuff?’, and they say, ‘We don’t know’…That’s what usually shuts down the conversation.”

With any vape cartridge sold outside a state-licensed cannabis system, there’s always a concern about potentially toxic additives mixed into the cannabis oil. These thinning agents have caused serious health problems in the past, and there’s nothing to prevent unregulated companies from adding them without informing consumers.

Furthermore, Stephens noted that smoking the molecule in a vape cartridge invites another host of questions, since combustion can activate other chemical processes. “We just don’t know [what happens], but you can’t run around saying any of this stuff is safe,” he told Leafly.
It’s potent, so go slow


Stephens is likewise worried that adverse reactions to THC-O acetate could have larger repercussions for the legalization movement writ large. “My biggest fear,” he said, “is it just takes that first overdose to cause the equivalent of a satanic panic or whatever you want to call it.”

Overconsumption of traditional cannabis has never directly caused a death in humans. With a compound three times as potent as delta-9 THC, however, there’s a risk of consumers imbibing too much THC-O and suffering through some unpleasant effects. Of course, high-potency cannabis concentrates like dabbing oil, wax, and shatter have been legally sold for many years—so the risk of a bad trip with THC-O is all relative.
Is THC-O actually legal?


Well, it depends who you ask.

Producers of THC-O acetate products say they’re protected under the farm bill passed by Congress in 2018, because the molecule was derived from a chain of custody that began with federally legal hemp plants. But even they seem unsure. As Binoid, a top seller of the compound, as well as other derivatives like delta 10-THC and HHC, admits on the company’s own website, “That’s actually hard to say.”

As for their competitor Bearly Legal Hemp Company, their name says it all.

Some experts, however, believe the compound is not legal. They cite the 1986 Federal Analogue Act, which states that any substance analogous to a Schedule I drug—in this case, conventional THC—would itself qualify as a Schedule I drug.

But that argument could be similarly used to argue against the legality of delta-8 THC, or perhaps even CBD. It all depends on where the line between “analogous” and “non-analogous” is drawn.
State laws and regulations scrambling to catch up


As with products containing delta-8 THC and delta-10 THC, products with THC-O exist in the marginal legal space between hemp (which is legal nationwide) and cannabis (which is not). State regulators and legislators are currently playing whack-a-mole with the growing number of hemp-derived compounds, banning novel compounds only to see new derivatives take their place.

In legal adult-use states, cannabis regulators are by and large ignoring these hemp-derived compounds because they don’t fall under their strict regulatory purview. Local police and health authorities have more pressing matters, like violent crime and the coronavirus pandemic.

In the meantime, some state-licensed companies in legal states are becoming more concerned about unlicensed hemp-derived THC products undercutting their market and tarnishing the reputation of the cannabis sector with potentially unhealthy products.

Until THC-O and other hemp derivatives come under a state-regulated system, consumers will need to weigh the risks and benefits of these compounds for themselves.


SOURCE: https://www.leafly.ca/news/cannabis-101/what-is-thc-o



As for my myself, I have never stumbled across any THC - O.........but I'm now on the hunt to find some.

Has anybody reading this been lucky enough to try some......?????

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RMS

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Yes, we made our own THC acetate, including in class at SPR. We liked it, as did all the students that tried it.

We didn't notice it as more powerful, but that it arrives suddenly instead of coming on over a few minutes and is a very pleasant.
 

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I found Cannabis Alchemy book when around 12, and THC acetate involved a glove box with acetylene atmosphere, meant to blow out each end if explosion.
 

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I found Cannabis Alchemy book when around 12, and THC acetate involved a glove box with acetylene atmosphere, meant to blow out each end if explosion.

D Gold is who I got the isomerization and the THC-O-A ideas from, but Pharmerjoe was finishing his chemistry lab at Portland State, where they were making aspirin, so we used the aspirin formula instead. We also didn't use an inert atmosphere chamber, because if everything goes right there are no issues, and certainly no more than making aspirin using the same acetic anhydride process.

What we did was set up outside with good ventilation and no ignition sources. The same way we originally extracted BHO by blasting. It was at an Oil Extractors gathering in SO where everyone had their show and tell, and SPR's was THC acetate for the first time. We set up in a freshly mowed field on a gorgeous clear day with a good breeze blowing.

The product was a huge hit and the 10 grams was all gone in short order.

When we subsequently ran at our lab for Alchemy classes, we did it under a canopy with fans, because acetic anhydride is both corrosive and flammable.

When starting with CBD, it first needs to be isomerized to D-8 THC. Here is how we did both:

https://graywolfslair.com/index.php/...-4-isomerizing

https://graywolfslair.com/index.php/...hc-o-a-acetate

PS: Dave Gold is a cool dude and said that the reason for the inert atmosphere chamber was both the noxious properties of acetic anhydride and H2SO4 and an extra layer of protection against morons trying it in their kitchen or basement. He was also the inventor of the ISO-1 thru 4 and we tested the 3 and 4 at SPR.
 
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Wow! That's so cool to hear. I didn't realize that d. Gold also made the ISO. I saw the ISO in the background of Pink's room in dazed and confused. I had no idea what it was, but I knew it looked cool. I remember pausing the movie to see what it was. Lol. It was years later til I read about it, and it clicked..
I would love to get him to autograph my copy of his book.
So much history!
Y'all are legends.
 

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Wow! That's so cool to hear. I didn't realize that d. Gold also made the ISO. I saw the ISO in the background of Pink's room in dazed and confused. I had no idea what it was, but I knew it looked cool. I remember pausing the movie to see what it was. Lol. It was years later til I read about it, and it clicked..
I would love to get him to autograph my copy of his book.
So much history!
Y'all are legends.

D Gold certainly is a legend from my perspective and instrumental in my early research. Here is the first of the eight articles he wrote for the Graywolfslair blog site providing more history:

https://graywolfslair.com/index.php/...ions-by-d-gold

The others can be accessed from the header menu bar under 4.0 Authors, and then 4.6 D Gold:

Send me an email at [email protected] and I'll forward your email request to Dave. My guess is that he would be willing to do so and deserves bushels of fan mail for both his 1973 Cannabis Alchemy and his other less publicized pioneering support of the cannabis cause.
 
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D Gold certainly is a legend from my perspective and instrumental in my early research. Here is the first of the eight articles he wrote for the Graywolfslair blog site providing more history:

https://graywolfslair.com/index.php/...ions-by-d-gold

The others can be accessed from the header menu bar under 4.0 Authors, and then 4.6 D Gold:


Dave Gold's appearances at your site was a real thrill, GW.

Sending you good vibes my friend.
 

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Bought Cannabis Alchemy from Earthworks back when it was located near Dupont Circle in DC.
Bought an Iso 2 out the back of High Times. He sold an additional kit to that allowed one
to clean things up a bit. Aspirator for a Buchner funnel etc. A lot of innovation
for it's time, seemed pretty neat to me as a kid.
Was my hope when I signed on here to find out if the author of the book and
the creator of the device were one and the same.
Have to thank Grey Wolf with being the one who brought that to light.
Been too good to read David's articles on :
https://graywolfslair.com/index.php/...ions-by-d-gold
Would like to both thank and credit Grey Wolf and David Gold for their contributions.
Extracts were something that I enjoyed when I was younger, and I did appreciate them.
Was not until I came down with cancer that I came to appreciate the difference it could
make as medicine.
 

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While I find it interesting I also find this discouraging. Exploiting legal loopholes is just going to piss off the government and backtrack the efforts of hemp legal as well as MJ on a federal level.

Gas stations, etc. selling these products are degrading the industry down to the level of "bath salts" which I do not like. Sorry if that's a buzz kill perspective.

While I agree with the ideas of freedom and liberty...its just going to take a few kids having an accident with some of this stuff to cause headaches for those fighting for legitimate legislative change.

My .02

I think the science and exploration is cool - no problem with that. Just hearing about the gas stations and smoke shops selling this stuff kinda turns me off, who knows how any of it is produced for those resale points?
 

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While I find it interesting I also find this discouraging. Exploiting legal loopholes is just going to piss off the government and backtrack the efforts of hemp legal as well as MJ on a federal level.

Gas stations, etc. selling these products are degrading the industry down to the level of "bath salts" which I do not like. Sorry if that's a buzz kill perspective.

While I agree with the ideas of freedom and liberty...its just going to take a few kids having an accident with some of this stuff to cause headaches for those fighting for legitimate legislative change.

My .02

I think the science and exploration is cool - no problem with that. Just hearing about the gas stations and smoke shops selling this stuff kinda turns me off, who knows how any of it is produced for those resale points?

If anti cannabis forces were to put together a campaign to change society's perspective about cannabis, in an effort to reverse progress, I can well imagine it might look somewhat like what we are seeing with this.
 

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While I find it interesting I also find this discouraging. Exploiting legal loopholes is just going to piss off the government and backtrack the efforts of hemp legal as well as MJ on a federal level.

Gas stations, etc. selling these products are degrading the industry down to the level of "bath salts" which I do not like. Sorry if that's a buzz kill perspective.

While I agree with the ideas of freedom and liberty...its just going to take a few kids having an accident with some of this stuff to cause headaches for those fighting for legitimate legislative change.

My .02

I think the science and exploration is cool - no problem with that. Just hearing about the gas stations and smoke shops selling this stuff kinda turns me off, who knows how any of it is produced for those resale points?

No buzz kill. It's truth. Thco or acetates been around forever, but I know that several of the true heads that tried it said it was overkill, and it messed with their tolerance levels.
In Virginia there's still no legal way to buy or sell recreational or adult use. Only medical can be bought at dispos. All these cannabinoids will be in the gas stations till a user can legally purchase what they want, or Virginia outlaws them. But if VA outlaws them without legalizing retail then those cannabinoids will then be on the street and that's even worse because now they are being diluted and cut even further.

Crazy world nowadays. When I was young and wanted to catch a buzz I had track somebody down play the wait game, then the chase game, took all day..
Kids today can go into a Tobacco Hut and get legal synthetic drugs.
no Coffee? Grab a caffeine shot or a redbull.
Don't have Cigs? Just get a flavored nicotine vape
Don't have weed? Get delta 8 infused hemp flower.
Don't have pain pills? Buy a OPM Kratom extract capsules.
No speed? Legal stimulant ADD+ALL pills.
Wanna huff something? Nitrous Whippets.
Wanna trip? Get Mimosa powder and extract DMT.
Or get "Drunk" on Kava extract.
My local tobacco/vape stores have all your addictions covered! Some even have opium substitute Wild Lettuce resin...( Though I don't actually know if that works like all the other stuff.)
then to Pass a drug test they sell powdered dehydrated synthetic urine, called "Fetish Urine powder" Strange world indeed.
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While I find it interesting I also find this discouraging. Exploiting legal loopholes is just going to piss off the government and backtrack the efforts of hemp legal as well as MJ on a federal level.

Gas stations, etc. selling these products are degrading the industry down to the level of "bath salts" which I do not like. Sorry if that's a buzz kill perspective.

While I agree with the ideas of freedom and liberty...its just going to take a few kids having an accident with some of this stuff to cause headaches for those fighting for legitimate legislative change.

My .02

I think the science and exploration is cool - no problem with that. Just hearing about the gas stations and smoke shops selling this stuff kinda turns me off, who knows how any of it is produced for those resale points?

Do you use aspirin? Exactly the same process, but starting with salicylic acid instead of THC.

For THC-O-Acetate starting with hemp CBD, it is first isomerized to delta-8 THC and then acetylized with acetic anhydride.

As far as effects, neither us nor any of our students felt like THC Acetate was three times stronger than THC, only that it came on almost immediately and in a rush because it passed the blood brain barrier rapidly.

The most common first words out of a students mouth was, "Oh Wow!" The second most common statement was, "That wasn't anything like I thought it would be." No one ever got giddy from it but everyone liked it and found it a pleasant experience.

I agree that they should be handled the same as cannabis concentrates and for what its worth, gas stations are not allowed to sell "these products" in these here parts, but the black market will always move in to fill a profitable open niche and the black market is uncontrolled.
 
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A ban never works and after medical legalization here regulations were passed requiring lab testing, which immediately revealed that a large number of the products were out of legally limits for things like pesticides, chemicals, heavy metals, mold aflatoxins, and retained extraction solvents.

The hoot was that much of the product was from suppliers generally regarded as reliable and were much touted for their quality levels.

The second round was going after the labs that passed material which had been rejected by other labs or rated their cannabinoid and terpene values higher so as to draw more customers. The greyish black market.

My take from it is that a product must be legalized and tested, with oversight on the labs to guarantee a reliable product at the dispensaries. Banning simply drives it to the black market.
 

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For what it's worth, we found THC-O to be unstable and prone to revert back to acetic acid. We never resolved that issue.

We made it in 10-gram lots and there was never any left after the class with rides sampled it and those without took samples home, but when we made a lot for ourselves, we didn't use it fast enough to keep it from reverting and developing a vinegary nip.
 
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