Voodoo Juice (AN) information? Useless in DWC?
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Guvnor
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Always heard good things about voodoo juice, with its ability to make the roots explode in growth-Happy roots = happy plants.
Be intresting to see what the 'voodoo users' think about this product. Thats a very nice price for grow,bloom, big bud(great gear) and voodoo juice. A litre of voodoo over here in the u.k is almost £40 a litre, around 75 bucks. This package, in the u.k would cost me 140 quid, give or take- 275 bucks.
If anything it's worth giving them a try for the money
All The Best and I'll pop back in to see people's replies.
Guv'nor
Regarding your question, just been on their site an read up on some information on the voodoo juice, from what I've found/read this is compatable with a dwc set-up.
It is a bacterical innoculant, so it is pretty useless in DWC.
Found nothingto back up this statement- I'm not saying it isn't true, just that I havent found any information to back it up- but I will keep searching and reading
Be intresting to see what the 'voodoo users' think about this product. Thats a very nice price for grow,bloom, big bud(great gear) and voodoo juice. A litre of voodoo over here in the u.k is almost £40 a litre, around 75 bucks. This package, in the u.k would cost me 140 quid, give or take- 275 bucks.
If anything it's worth giving them a try for the money
All The Best and I'll pop back in to see people's replies.
Guv'nor
Regarding your question, just been on their site an read up on some information on the voodoo juice, from what I've found/read this is compatable with a dwc set-up.
It is a bacterical innoculant, so it is pretty useless in DWC.
Found nothingto back up this statement- I'm not saying it isn't true, just that I havent found any information to back it up- but I will keep searching and reading
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Those bacterias and fungi need apart from roots a medium to grow on, you don't have that in DWC, or at least not really, the real root action is happening in the water. Speaking of which can only hold up to 8ppm DO (dissolved oxygen) at ideal conditions and very low temps, in reall life you should be happy with 4-5ppm.
Good soil has about 10% of O2, good bacteria and fungi need O2
4ppm = 0.000004
10% = 0.100000
i'd say thats a huge difference
Thanks for the reply Guvnor. I also found nothing to back up that wild-ish claim (about being useless in DWC), and in fact it would seem like a perfect environment for Voodoo Juice.
Along the way of doing some more research I ran into GH's SubCulture, which is "like Advanced Nutrients Voodoo Juice, Piranha, and Tarantula all rolled up into one". According to Voodoo Juice's instructions, it's 7.5mL per L of nutes, meaning it treats roughly 133 L (roughly ~35 [US] gal). SubCulture on the other hand, for a 1oz concentrated pouch treats "25 - 50" gallons (I'm assuming US gallons), so that's ~95 - ~189 L per pouch. I see them as low as slightly under $10/pouch after shipping when purchased in the 6-pouch package. Pretty huge savings; I wonder if these pouches can be easily re-stored in tight containers once opened (it's a dry powder form), without any concern of "activating" them too early. Probably, but then again I wouldn't know.
Gonna look up more info on SubCulture and see what happens. Stay tuned.
Along the way of doing some more research I ran into GH's SubCulture, which is "like Advanced Nutrients Voodoo Juice, Piranha, and Tarantula all rolled up into one". According to Voodoo Juice's instructions, it's 7.5mL per L of nutes, meaning it treats roughly 133 L (roughly ~35 [US] gal). SubCulture on the other hand, for a 1oz concentrated pouch treats "25 - 50" gallons (I'm assuming US gallons), so that's ~95 - ~189 L per pouch. I see them as low as slightly under $10/pouch after shipping when purchased in the 6-pouch package. Pretty huge savings; I wonder if these pouches can be easily re-stored in tight containers once opened (it's a dry powder form), without any concern of "activating" them too early. Probably, but then again I wouldn't know.
Gonna look up more info on SubCulture and see what happens. Stay tuned.
mace_ecam said:Those bacterias and fungi need apart from roots a medium to grow on, you don't have that in DWC, or at least not really, the real root action is happening in the water. Speaking of which can only hold up to 8ppm DO (dissolved oxygen) at ideal conditions and very low temps, in reall life you should be happy with 4-5ppm.
Good soil has about 10% of O2, good bacteria and fungi need O2
4ppm = 0.000004
10% = 0.100000
i'd say thats a huge difference
Wow, that makes a LOT more sense now! Thanks mace!
I guess it would do okay in an E/F table, then? Only thing I'm wondering is how they would survive once back in the rez... What types of hydro systems would this work well in? Both GH and AN claim their products work [well] in hydro...
If SubCulture works as good as it claims, even if just in soil, I'd think it would be a great value and possibly a Rhizotonic replacement? Only noticable thing I see right away is that you can't use it as a foliar spray, like you can with Pirahna. But for $10/25-50 gal, it's a great deal I guess.
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I don't know AN nor GH systems, but e&f sounds ok, especially with a medium with lots of surface area, like lava rocks. If its grows, it should grow in the medium/roots.
Once a colony is established (if it ever is...), there is no need for reaplication.
A nice test for living products is to dissolve sugar in water and then add the product.. should have a slime layer on top after a day or two if kept at a nice temp.
I'm not convinced btw., that hydro is the best for keeping microherds..
Once a colony is established (if it ever is...), there is no need for reaplication.
A nice test for living products is to dissolve sugar in water and then add the product.. should have a slime layer on top after a day or two if kept at a nice temp.
I'm not convinced btw., that hydro is the best for keeping microherds..
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I'm diggin' and readin' right now, and it appears that one of the key features on how the microherds are as useful in biobuckets is due to the large amounts of lava rock used! And biobuckets are more or less DWC with a large amount of medium freefalling to create oxygenation vs. airstones, no? Higher temperatures than DWC allowed w/o rootrot problems due to the beneficials/microherds, right?
Very interesting indeed.
peace, i use subculture with great results, keeps the nasty at bay bigtime and the soup clean, stimulates roots, i have a recirc. mediumless bio dwc, in that i set up the bb's for a week as per bigtoke, but instead of lava rocks i use those plastic bioballs in a net bag anchored to my contoller bucket floor directly under the return hole so the colony is constantly being fed thru the biosac, also u should use sensizyme, great stuff in high temp dwc res. where the pump can warm the water slightly...oh yeah, found what i've read and now have, get a good high pessure airpump, one big pump for all the buckets if a waterfall is impractical for ya but u kinda want a biodwc, my air stones have yet to clog with the jetstream like bubbles coming out of there...
peace
peace
brooklyn thanks for the subculture info.....i've been wondering about that product for a long time now.....
btw brooklyn what are these plastic bioballs of which you speak?
Clowntown i am happy you are learning about beneficial bacteria and mycorrhizal fungi.....i feel that research into these 2 subjects will revolutionize the growing of plants.....
Would you like a brief summary of a long technical discussion? (i'm guessing brief summary....)
BENEFICIAL BACTERIA:
There is an unbelievable variety of different microorganisms in the soil. Scientists are still hard at work identifying all of these microbes and finding out what they do. The Voodoo Juice and Subculture and Head Start Planting Mix are a few of the leading beneficial bacteria products. Here's what the little beneficial bugs can do for your plants:
*Nitrogen-solubilizing bacteria take elemental nitrogen in the soil (or whatever media) and make it rapidly accessible to the plant, thus speeding up plant metabolism....
*Phosphorous-solubilizing bacteria take elemental Phosphorous and make it rapidly accessible, thus accelerating flower growth and adding more flower weight (hooray!!)
*Some species of bacteria help control root-rot and pythium and other nasty harmful disease-causing microbes which could hurt your plant or limit plant growth....
MYCORRHIZAL FUNGI:
Scientists have so far identified around 100 species of these beneficial fungi and more are being discovered every day. When these fungal spores become active in the wet environment of the soil (or whatever other media), they quickly become physically entangled all along the shafts of the roots. This is an example of a "mutualistic" relationship, where both the plant and the mycorrhizal fungi benefit from the interaction. The mycorrhizae cause an immense increase in the surface area of the roots, allowing for a huge increase in the amount of nutrients which the plant can absorb. Plant metabolism skyrockets. Bigger leaves, faster growth, bigger flowers.
guineapiggin' can you dig it?
btw brooklyn what are these plastic bioballs of which you speak?
Clowntown i am happy you are learning about beneficial bacteria and mycorrhizal fungi.....i feel that research into these 2 subjects will revolutionize the growing of plants.....
Would you like a brief summary of a long technical discussion? (i'm guessing brief summary....)
BENEFICIAL BACTERIA:
There is an unbelievable variety of different microorganisms in the soil. Scientists are still hard at work identifying all of these microbes and finding out what they do. The Voodoo Juice and Subculture and Head Start Planting Mix are a few of the leading beneficial bacteria products. Here's what the little beneficial bugs can do for your plants:
*Nitrogen-solubilizing bacteria take elemental nitrogen in the soil (or whatever media) and make it rapidly accessible to the plant, thus speeding up plant metabolism....
*Phosphorous-solubilizing bacteria take elemental Phosphorous and make it rapidly accessible, thus accelerating flower growth and adding more flower weight (hooray!!)
*Some species of bacteria help control root-rot and pythium and other nasty harmful disease-causing microbes which could hurt your plant or limit plant growth....
MYCORRHIZAL FUNGI:
Scientists have so far identified around 100 species of these beneficial fungi and more are being discovered every day. When these fungal spores become active in the wet environment of the soil (or whatever other media), they quickly become physically entangled all along the shafts of the roots. This is an example of a "mutualistic" relationship, where both the plant and the mycorrhizal fungi benefit from the interaction. The mycorrhizae cause an immense increase in the surface area of the roots, allowing for a huge increase in the amount of nutrients which the plant can absorb. Plant metabolism skyrockets. Bigger leaves, faster growth, bigger flowers.
guineapiggin' can you dig it? 
ColoraDro
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umm i have to disagree with the satement that it is not usefull in DWC...
i ran a ECSD cut and vegged it in rockwool and then when ready to be flowered i put it into a 5 gal DWC bucket...
i was using General Hydroponics M-G-B, Voodoo Juice, Carboload,Bigbud all in the water 24/7...
at first i was shocked as hell to see crazy foam and slime building up on the second day of it being in the res so franticly i went to advanced nutrients forums and asked around if this was normal as it was my first time using voodoo and they told me to take a few pictures and post em up...
so i did and they told me to run through the usaul root rot sympton checkup and all came back fine so after posting the pictures and getting a little feed back let me tell you that from being told and personal experience that shit works great in DWC i never got to finish my grow using it due to a visit from the storm troopers
either way i did document it up until the day before and have pictures aswell...
remember i did not veg in these buckets they were put into buckets when put to flower...
righ there plants were about 6-7 weeks flower i have to say i have never seen more healthier roots in any of my grows since using Voodoo and as my name implies all i do is Hydro and i love me some DWC so just never take what anyone says...
i know it is a costly product but as i was told a million time that it would pay foritself easily and it from the looks of it does...
plant was looking great and roots were growing at a staedy rate.
all i am saying is give it a shot and yu will see what i am talking about if you dont like it i beleive AN has a money back garuentee
but use it with some carboload and shit will go wild
hope i helped some
i ran a ECSD cut and vegged it in rockwool and then when ready to be flowered i put it into a 5 gal DWC bucket...
i was using General Hydroponics M-G-B, Voodoo Juice, Carboload,Bigbud all in the water 24/7...
at first i was shocked as hell to see crazy foam and slime building up on the second day of it being in the res so franticly i went to advanced nutrients forums and asked around if this was normal as it was my first time using voodoo and they told me to take a few pictures and post em up...
so i did and they told me to run through the usaul root rot sympton checkup and all came back fine so after posting the pictures and getting a little feed back let me tell you that from being told and personal experience that shit works great in DWC i never got to finish my grow using it due to a visit from the storm troopers
either way i did document it up until the day before and have pictures aswell...remember i did not veg in these buckets they were put into buckets when put to flower...
righ there plants were about 6-7 weeks flower i have to say i have never seen more healthier roots in any of my grows since using Voodoo and as my name implies all i do is Hydro and i love me some DWC so just never take what anyone says...
i know it is a costly product but as i was told a million time that it would pay foritself easily and it from the looks of it does...
plant was looking great and roots were growing at a staedy rate.
all i am saying is give it a shot and yu will see what i am talking about if you dont like it i beleive AN has a money back garuentee
but use it with some carboload and shit will go wild
hope i helped some
Guvnor
Active member
Guineapig- Nice post there buddy
Have any good links for further reading into beneficial bacteria and mycorrhizal fungi(which I can't say I know alot about)?
Many thanks Guinea
ColoraDro Nice to hear from someone who has experience with voodoo. That particular plants shown in your picture-have you run this plant in the same application, to somehow compare. If so, apart from the very vigourous root growth, did you notcied a larger yield? Did their need for nutrients rise?
Thanks for any further insight
All The Best
Guv'nor
Have any good links for further reading into beneficial bacteria and mycorrhizal fungi(which I can't say I know alot about)?
Many thanks Guinea
ColoraDro Nice to hear from someone who has experience with voodoo. That particular plants shown in your picture-have you run this plant in the same application, to somehow compare. If so, apart from the very vigourous root growth, did you notcied a larger yield? Did their need for nutrients rise?
Thanks for any further insight
All The Best
Guv'nor
