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Yarkand

Yarkand

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Yarkand

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Yarkand (modern Chinese name 莎車), pinyin: Shāchē also written Suōchē; 37°52′N 77°24′E. Altitude about 1,189 m. or 3,900 ft.; pop. approx. 373,492 in 2003), is a county in Xinjiang, China, located on the southern rim of the Taklamakan desert in the Tarim Basin. It is one of 11 counties administered under Kashgar prefecture. Yarkand was the seat of an ancient Buddhist kingdom on the southern branch of the Silk Road
Yarkand, 1868, showing city walls and gallows
Yarkand, 1868, showing city walls and gallows

The fertile oasis is fed by the Yarkand River which flows north down from the Kunlun Mountains known historically as Congling mountains (lit. 'Onion Mountains' - from the abundance of wild onions found there). The oasis now covers some 3,210 km². (1,240 sq. mi.), but was likely far more extensive before the period of desiccation began to afflict the region from the 3rd century CE onwards.

People & Economy

Today, Yarkand (better known as Shache), is a predominantly Uyghur city. The irrigated oasis farmland produces cotton, wheat, corn, fruits, especially pomegranates, pears and apricots) and walnuts. Yak and sheep graze in the highlands. Mineral deposits include petroleum, natural gas, gold, copper, lead, bauxite, granite and coal.

[edit] Neighbours

Yarkand is strategically located about half way between Kashgar and Khotan, at the junction of a branch road north to Aksu. It also was the terminus for caravans coming from India via Ladakh and then over the Karakoram Pass to the Tarim Basin. The Xinjiang-Tibet Highway China National Highway 219, built in 1956 commences in Yecheng/Yarkand and heads south and west, across Aksai Chin and into central Tibet.

From Yarkand another important route headed southwest via Tashkurghan to the Wakhan corridor from where travellers could cross the relatively easy Baroghil Pass into what is now northern Pakistan, or head down the valley and into Badakshan.

[edit] History

The oasis of Yarkand was undoubtedly known to the Chinese from at least the 2nd century BCE, but the earliest detailed accounts of Yarkand that survive appear in the Hou Hanshu ('History of the Later Han'). They contain some rare insights into the complex political situations China faced in attempting to open up the "Silk Routes" to the West in the 1st century CE. So, it may be of interest here to include some rather lengthy passages on Yarkand quoted from the 2004 translation of the "Chapter on the Western Regions" by John E. Hill (for notes on these passages follow the external link in the "References" section below):

"Going west from the kingdom of Suoju (Yarkand), and passing through the countries of Puli (Tashkurghan) and Wulei (centred on Sarhad in the Wakhan), you arrive among the Da Yuezhi (Kushans). To the east, it is 10,950 li (4,553 km) from Luoyang.

The Chanyu (Khan) of the Xiongnu took advantage of the chaos caused by Wang Mang (9-24 CE) and invaded the Western Regions. Only Yan, the king of Suoju (Yarkand), who was more powerful than the others, did not consent to being annexed. Previously, during the time of Emperor Yuan (48-33 BCE), he was a hostage prince and grew up in the capital. He admired and loved the Middle Kingdom and extended the rules of Chinese administration to his own country. He ordered all his sons to respectfully serve the Han dynasty generation by generation, and to never turn their backs on it. Yan died in the fifth Tianfeng year (18 CE). He was awarded the posthumous title of 'Faithful and Martial King'. His son, Kang, succeeded him on the throne.

At the beginning of Emperor Guangwu's reign (25-57 CE), Kang led the neighbouring kingdoms to resist the Xiongnu. He escorted, and protected, more than a thousand people including the officers, the soldiers, the wife and children of the former Protector General. He sent a letter to Hexi (Chinese territory west of the Huang He or Yellow River) to inquire about the activities of the Middle Kingdom, and personally expressed his attachment to, and admiration for, the Han dynasty.

In the fifth Jianwu year (29 CE) the General-in-Chief of Hexi, Dou Rong, following Imperial instructions, bestowed on Kang the titles of: “King of Chinese Suoju, Performer of Heroic Deeds Who Cherishes Virtue [and] Commandant-in-Chief of the Western Regions.” The fifty-five kingdoms were all made dependencies after that.

In the ninth year (33 CE) Kang died. He was awarded the posthumous title of “Greatly Accomplished King.” His younger brother, Xian, succeeded him on the throne. Xian attacked and conquered the kingdoms of Jumi (Keriya) and Xiye (Karghalik). He killed both their kings, and installed two sons of his elder brother, Kang, as the kings of Jumi and Xiye.

In the fourteenth year (38 CE), together with An, the king of Shanshan (the Lop Nor region), he sent envoys to the Imperial Palace to offer tribute. Following this, the Western Regions were (again) in communication with China. All the kingdoms to the east of the Congling (Pamirs) were dependent on Xian.

In the seventeenth year (41 CE), Xian again sent an envoy to present offerings [to the Emperor], and to ask that a Protector General be appointed. The Son of Heaven questioned the Excellency of Works, Dou Rong, about this. He was of the opinion that Xian, and his sons and brothers who had pledged to serve the Han were truly sincere. Therefore, [he suggested that] it would be appropriate to give him higher rank to maintain order and security.

The Emperor then, using the same envoy that Xian had sent to him, bestowed upon him the seal and ribbon of “Protector General of the Western Regions,” and gave him chariots, standards, gold, brocades and embroideries.

Pei Zun, the Administrator of Dunhuang, wrote saying that foreigners should not be allowed to employ such great authority and that these decrees would cause the kingdoms to despair. An Imperial decree then ordered that the seal and ribbons of “Protector General” be recovered, and replaced with the seal and ribbon of “Great Han General.” Xian’s envoy refused to make the exchange, and (Pei) Zun took them by force.

Consequently, Xian became resentful. Furthermore, he falsely named himself “Great Protector General,” and sent letters to all the kingdoms. They all submitted to him, and bestowed the title of Chanyu on him. Xian gradually became arrogant making heavy demands for duties and taxes. Several times he attacked Qiuci (Kucha) and the other kingdoms. All the kingdoms were anxious and fearful.

In the winter of the twenty-first year (45 CE), eighteen kings, including the king of Nearer Jushi (Turfan), Shanshan (the Lop Nor region), Yanqi (Karashahr), and others, sent their sons to enter the service of the Emperor and offered treasure. As a result, they were granted audience when they circulated weeping, prostrating with their foreheads to the ground, in the hope of obtaining a Protector General. The Son of Heaven, considering that the Middle Kingdom was just beginning to return to peace and that the northern frontier regions were still unsettled, returned all the hostage princes with generous gifts.

At the same time, Xian, infatuated with his military power, wanted to annex the Western Regions, and greatly increased his attacks. The kingdoms, informed that no Protector General would be sent, and that the hostage princes were all returning, were very worried and frightened. Therefore, they sent a letter to the Administrator of Dunhuang to ask him to detain their hostage sons with him, so that they could point this out to the [king of] Suoju (Yarkand), and tell him that their young hostage sons were detained because a Protector General was to be sent. Then he [the king of Yarkand] would stop his hostilities. Pei Zun sent an official report informing the Emperor [of this proposal], which he approved.

In the twenty-second year (46 CE Xian, aware that no Protector General was coming, sent a letter to An, king of Shanshan (the Lop Nor region), ordering him to cut the route to the Han. An did not accept [this order], and killed the envoy. Xian was furious and sent soldiers to attack Shanshan. An gave battle but was defeated and fled into the mountains. Xian killed or captured more than a thousand men, and then withdrew.

That winter (46 CE), Xian returned and attacked Qiuci (Kucha), killed the king, and annexed the kingdom. The hostage princes of Shanshan, and then Yanqi (Karashahr) and the other kingdoms, were detained a long time at Dunhuang and became worried, so they fled and returned [to their kingdoms].

The king of Shanshan (the Lop Nor region) wrote a letter to the Emperor expressing his desire to return his son to enter the service of the Emperor, and again pleaded for a Protector General, saying that if a Protector General were not sent, he would be forced to obey the Xiongnu. The Son of Heaven replied:

“We are not able, at the moment, to send out envoys and Imperial troops so, in spite of their good wishes, each kingdom [should seek help], as they please, wherever they can, to the east, west, south, or north.”

Following this, Shanshan (Lop Nor region), and Jushi (Turfan/Jimasa) again submitted to the Xiongnu. Meanwhile, Xian became increasingly violent.

The king of Guisai, reckoning that his kingdom was far enough away, killed Xian’s envoy. Xian then attacked and killed him. He appointed a nobleman from that country, Sijian, king of Guisai. Furthermore, Xian appointed his own son, Zeluo, to be king of Qiuci (Kucha). Xian, taking account of the youth of Zeluo, detached a part of the territory from Qiuci (Kucha) from which he made the kingdom of Wulei (Yengisar). He transferred Sijian to the post of king of Wulei (Yengisar), and appointed another noble to the post of king of Guisai.

Several years later, the people of the kingdom of Qiuci (Kucha), killed Zeluo and Sijian, and sent envoys to the Xiongnu to ask them to appoint a king to replace them. The Xiongnu established a nobleman of Qiuci (Kucha), Shendu, to be king of Qiuci (Kucha), making it dependent on the Xiongnu.

Because Dayuan (Ferghana) had reduced their tribute and taxes, Xian personally took command of several tens of thousands of men taken from several kingdoms, and attacked Dayuan (Ferghana). Yanliu, the king of Dayuan (Ferghana), came before him to submit. Xian took advantage of this to take him back to his own kingdom. Then he transferred Qiaosaiti, the king of Jumi (Keriya), to the post of king of Dayuan (Ferghana). Then Kangju (Tashkent plus the Chu, Talas, and middle Jaxartes basins) attacked him there several times and Qiaosaiti fled home [to Keriya] more than a year later. Xian appointed him king of Jumi (Keriya) and sent Yanliu back to Dayuan (Ferghana) again, ordering him to bring the customary tribute and offerings.

Xian also banished the king of Yutian (Khotan), Yulin, to be king of Ligui and set up his younger brother, Weishi, as king of Yutian.

More than a year later Xian became suspicious that the kingdoms wanted to rebel against him. He summoned Weishi, and the kings of Jumi (Keriya), Gumo (Aksu), and Zihe (Shahidulla), and killed them all. He didn’t set up any more kings, he just sent generals to maintain order and guard these kingdoms. Rong, the son of Weishi, fled and made submission to the Han, who named him: “Marquis Who Maintains Virtue.” A general from Suoju (Yarkand), named Junde, had been posted to Yutian (Khotan), and tyrannised the people there who became indignant.

In the third Yongping year (60 CE), during the reign of Emperor Ming, a high official of this country, called Dumo, had left town when he saw a wild pig. He wanted to shoot it, but the pig said to him: “Do not shoot me, I will undertake to kill Junde for you.” Following this, Dumo plotted with his brothers and killed Junde. However, another high official, Xiumo Ba, plotted, in his turn, with a Chinese man, Han Rong, and others, to kill Dumo and his brothers, then he named himself king of Yutian (Khotan). Together with men from the kingdom of Jumi (Keriya), he attacked and killed the Suoju (Yarkand) general who was at Pishan (modern Pishan or Guma). He then returned with the soldiers.

Then Xian sent his Heir Apparent, and his State Chancellor, leading 20,000 soldiers from several kingdoms, to attack Xiumo Ba. [Xiumo] Ba came to meet them and gave battle, defeating the soldiers of Suoju (Yarkand) who fled, and more than 10,000 of them were killed.

Xian again fielded several tens of thousands of men from several kingdoms, and personally led them to attack Xiumo Ba. [Xiumo] Ba was again victorious and beheaded more than half of the enemy. Xian escaped and fled, returning to his kingdom. Xiumo Ba advanced and encircled Suoju (Yarkand), but he was hit and killed by an arrow, and his soldiers retreated to Yutian (Khotan).

Suyule, State Chancellor [of Khotan], and others, appointed Guangde, the son of Xiumo Ba’s elder brother, king. The Xiongnu, with Qiuci (Kucha) and the other kingdoms, attacked Suoju (Yarkand), but were unable to take it.

Later, Guangde recognising of the exhaustion of Suoju (Yarkand), sent his younger brother, the Marquis who Supports the State, Ren, commanding an army, to attack Xian. As he had suffered war continuously, Xian sent an envoy to make peace with Guangde. Guangde's father had previously been detained for several years in Suoju (Yarkand). Xian returned Guangde's father and also gave one of his daughters in marriage and swore brotherhood to Guangde, so the soldiers withdrew and left.

In the following year (61 CE), Qieyun, the Chancellor of Suoju (Yarkand), and others, worried by Xian's arrogance, plotted to get the town to submit to Yutian (Khotan). Guangde, the king of Yutian (Khotan), then led 30,000 men from several kingdoms to attack Suoju (Yarkand). Xian stayed in the town to defend it and sent a messenger to say to Guangde: “I have given you your father and a wife. Why are you attacking me?” Guangde replied to him: “O king, you are the father of my wife. It has been a long time since we met. I want us to meet, each of us escorted by only two men, outside the town wall to make an alliance.”

Xian consulted Qieyun about this. Qieyun said to him: “Guangde, your son-in-law is a very close relation; you should go out to see him.” Xian then rashly went out. Guangde advanced and captured him. In addition, Qieyun and his colleagues let the soldiers of Yutian (Khotan) into the town to capture Xian’s wife and children. (Guangde) annexed his kingdom. He put Xian in chains, and took him home with him. More than a year later, he killed him.

When the Xiongnu heard that Guangde had defeated Suoju (Yarkand), they sent five generals leading more than 30,000 men from fifteen kingdoms including Yanqi (Karashahr), Weili (Korla), and Qiuci (Kucha), to besiege Yutian (Khotan). Guangde asked to submit. He sent his Heir Apparent as a hostage and promised to give felt carpets each year. In winter, the Xiongnu ordered soldiers to take Xian’s son, Bujuzheng, who was a hostage with them, to appoint him king of Suoju (Yarkand).

Guangde then attacked and killed [Bujuzheng], and put his younger brother, Qili, on the throne. This was in the third Yuanhe year (86 CE) of Emperor Zhang.

At this time Chief Clerk Ban Chao brought the troops of several kingdoms to attack Suoju (Yarkand). He soundly defeated Suoju (Yarkand) so it submitted to Han."

In 90 CE the Yuezhi or Kushans invaded the region with an army of reportedly 70,000 men, under their Viceroy, Xian, but they were forced to withdraw without a battle after Ban Chao instigated a "burnt earth" policy.

After the Yuanchu period (114-120 CE), when the Yuezhi or Kushans placed a hostage prince on the throne of Kashgar (see history section on Kashgar): "Then Suoju (Yarkand) continued to resist (Khotan), and put themselves under Shule (Kashgar). Thus Shule (Kashgar), became powerful and a rival to Qiuci (Kucha) and Yutian (Khotan)."

In 127 CE, "(Ban) Yong once again attacked and subdued Yanqi (Karashahr); and then Qiuci (Kucha), Shule (Kashgar), Yutian (Khotan), Suoju (Yarkand), and other kingdoms, seventeen altogether, came to submit. Following this, the Wusun (Issyk-kol and Semirechye), and the countries of the Congling (Pamirs), cut communications to the west."

In 130 CE Yarkand, along with Ferghana and Kashgar, sent tribute and offerings to the Chinese Emperor.

After this, there is very little information on Yarkand's history for many centuries. There are a couple of brief references in the Tang dynasty histories, but it seems to have been of less note then than the oasis of Kharghalik to its south.

One must assume that it was taken by the Muslims soon after they subdued Kashgar in the early 11th century.

It apparently became the main base in the region for Chagatai Khan (died 1241), who inherited Kashgaria (and also much of the land between the Oxus (Amu Darya) and Jaxartes (Syr Darya) rivers) after his father, Genghis Khan's death in 1227.

Marco Polo, describing Yarkand c. 1260, says only that this "province" (of Kublai Khan's nephew, Kaidu, d. 1301) was five days' journey in extent; that its inhabitants were mostly Muslim although there were also some Nestorian and Jacobite Christians; and that it had plenty of food and other necessities, "especially cotton."

Benedict Göez, who was seeking a route from India to China, passed from Lahore through Afghanistan to Yarkand, arriving in Yarkand in late 1603. He remained there for about a year, making a short trip to Khotan during that time. He reported:

"Hiarchan [Yarkand], the capital of the kingdom of Cascar, is a mart of much note, both for the great concourse of merchants, and for the variety of wares. At this capital the caravan of Kabul merchants reaches its terminus; and a new one is formed for the journey to Cathay. The command of this caravan is sold by the king, who invests the chiefs with a kind of royal authority over the merchants for the whole journey. A twelvemonth passed away however before the new company was formed, for the way is long and perilous, and the caravan is not formed every year, but only when a large number arrange to join it, and when it is known that they will be allowed to enter Cathay."

At the end of the 16th century it was incorporated into the khanate of Kashgar. The Qing dynasty gained control of the region in the middle of the 18th century.
Yarkand official. 1870s
Yarkand official. 1870s

By the 19th century, due to its active trade with Ladakh India, and an influx of foreign merchants, its population outsripped even that of Kashgar.

Mohammed Yakub (also known as Yakub Beg), 1820-1877 conquered Khotan, Aksu, Kashgar, and neighbouring towns with the help of the Russians in the 1860s. The capital was Yarkand, where he received embassies from England in 1870 and 1873. The Qing dynasty defeated Yakub at Turfan in 1877 and he committed suicide, thus ending the Kingdom of Kashgaria, and returning the region to Qing Chinese control.

Some legendary Charas used to come from those parts !
 

naga_sadu

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It's an Uigur dominated land, meaning you'll have no probs finding charas (hash). But as a general warning, in contemporary times to anyone wanting to score from an Uigur:

NEVER TAKE A CHINESE ALONG WITH YOU EVER
 

alphacat

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And considering that Chinese law treats hash & other cannabis products the same they treat heroin and cocaine... Doesn't seem like a very irie country.

"Persons violating China’s laws, even unknowingly, may be expelled, arrested or imprisoned. Penalties for possession of, use of, or trafficking in illegal drugs in China are severe, and convicted offenders can expect long jail sentences and heavy fines...

On March 1, 2006, a new Public Security Law went into effect that gives police new powers, including the authority to detain and deport foreigners, relating to the commission of a wide range of offenses. The list of offenses has been expanded to include certain religious activities and prostitution-related crimes.

Americans in China, who are not staying at hotels, including Americans who are staying with friends or relatives, must register with local police as soon as they arrive. Otherwise, they may be fined up to 500 RMB per day."

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1089.html
 

Yarkand

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My Brothers do business with the Chinese so going to try an ask my bro if he can maybe see if any of his collegues would know where to get some seeds from that region.

I know it ain't no toking up region for us pot heads. I just was always fasinated by places like that.

Another would be Khyber Pass next to Waziristan (Pakistan/Afghan border)

Will be going to stay with a friend in Islamabad next year and going to visit some friends in Dehli after that and maybe get to Kulu valley (Sona valley & Minalli).

But dreamin till then

Peace
 

naga_sadu

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And considering that Chinese law treats hash & other cannabis products the same they treat heroin and cocaine... Doesn't seem like a very irie country.

Lol, China (FOR A FOREIGNER EXPAT AT LEAST) is a pretty chill place to grow and smoke- as long as you're reasonably discrete and don't involve locals in your "activities." As far as their Uigur population goes, even amongst the ones living in large citys like Shanghai or Beijing, these guys NEVER run dry.

As far as what I observed, the Chinese official policy towards foreigners toes along the lines of "Leave us alone and we'll leave you alone."

During my stay in the mainland, when I was walkin' around by myself, nobody bothered, or even cared. But when I was accompanied by a local- especially a female- I'd have more than a few prying eyes on my 6'0'clock. Whenever I was cruisin w/a Chinese, sometimes cops would follow me!!!!!! But when I was alone- no probs.

Hey- if u guys to hit to Chinese citys, hook up thru an Uigur. U usually get a ball of hash along w/a plate of lamb kebbab. Good shit bros :joint:

IF you've survived US laws, you should no problems surviving CHina. For one, cop cars don't litter the streets as much as they do in the US. As far as foreigners go, the "officials" are more concerned w/ prositution and money laundering.

Chinese cops don't "actively" look for mj as do US cops. I mean, if you get caught, it's prolly out of your own carelessness, more than it is because of Chinese anti drug police...again, be discrete, don't involve Chinese locals in ur activities much and you should be ok.

The above info should be true unless something ultra drastic has happened over a past few years....

And man, you quoted a UNITED STATES STATE DEPARTMENT article on an mj scene! I mean...what are they gonna say "Oh yea, my fellow Americans, go to China and get baked...and don't forget to load ur stomach up w/ them Peking ducks."
 
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Yarkand

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Survived U.A.E laws - Dubai

And the ball of hash with the lamb kebab sounds fan---tastic :yummy:

I wouldn't mind some Bhindi Gosht right now, lol

Sadu - You know what your talking about man. Malum Hindi baiy ?

Its nice you love your geo.

Peace :wave:
 

naga_sadu

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Survived U.A.E laws - Dubai

Man, that would qualify you for the stoner's medal of valour!

UAE is a shithole, if ur a stoner. Most of the smokers in UAE take refuge in nearby Iran to fulfill their mj / hash apetities. BTW- Iran is ONE OF THE BEST PLACES IN THE WORLD as far as MALE stoners go...

NExt time u get stuck in that Wahabi cesspool, try to find some route to get to Iran.

Malum Hindi baiy ?

Hao bhaijo, hum hindi bolte ;) Lekin mei Keral ka hoon.
 

alphacat

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naga_sadu said:
And man, you quoted a UNITED STATES STATE DEPARTMENT article on an mj scene! I mean...what are they gonna say "Oh yea, my fellow Americans, go to China and get baked...and don't forget to load ur stomach up w/ them Peking ducks."

LOL - yeah, granted the state dept. ain't gonna be the hookup... although it'd be a FAR better use of taxpayer money if it was!

However, the state dept. guidelines are a good indication of where they're gonna just wash their hands of you and say "you knew the rules and f*cked up anyway, so sorry but it's Midnight Express for your gringo ass" or something to that effect. Not like I'd wanna rely on them in the first place but...

Not to change the subject, but Zamal mentioned Ghana earlier. Anyone else been there?
 

naga_sadu

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Not to change the subject, but Zamal mentioned Ghana earlier. Anyone else been there?

Ghana is a fusion of Indo-AFrican cultures and has the highest rate of cannabis consumption in Africa, if not the world unless I'm mistaken...

However, the state dept. guidelines are a good indication of where they're gonna just wash their hands of you and say "you knew the rules and f*cked up anyway, so sorry but it's Midnight Express for your gringo ass" or something to that effect. Not like I'd wanna rely on them in the first place but...

At times- many times- their guidelines are outrite false. Example on Iran. Man, was that the BEST shock I've ever got my entire life!!! If the State dept was correct, I should've been decapitated about 400 times lol. Unless you believe I'm a zombie from Resident Evil, ther guides were WAY off...

If you wanna do reserch thats fine. But the State dept gives lotsa scare on China for example, but the CHinese imprison 7 times less pplz than the USA. Here are some stats for u. You can cross check this if u like.

Prisoner pop per 100,000:

USA: 714
China: 118
Iran: 194
Latvia: 338
Estonia: 337
India: 29

Ha ha, at least I have SOMETHING to boast about. More than lookin up guides, lookin up stats like prisoner pop. data gives u a MUCH better picture of "the scene." OIf course, you can also rely on "Sadu's theory"- lol.

In short, the less capitalist the place, the better off the mj scene. The more the capitalism, the worst off the mj scene- mark my words.

I have yet to be proven wrong once.
 

Yarkand

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naga_sadu said:
Man, that would qualify you for the stoner's medal of valour!

UAE is a shithole, if ur a stoner. Most of the smokers in UAE take refuge in nearby Iran to fulfill their mj / hash apetities. BTW- Iran is ONE OF THE BEST PLACES IN THE WORLD as far as MALE stoners go...

NExt time u get stuck in that Wahabi cesspool, try to find some route to get to Iran.



Hao bhaijo, hum hindi bolte ;) Lekin mei Keral ka hoon.

Spent 5 months in the can there. so i def. know how bad the situation is. I now live back in Holland again (half dutch)

Can't help if i was brought up there, but trust me bro we used to get fresh kilos from iran and afghanistan in the 90's now quality has gone down but if you pre-order a kilo from a friend in iran they will smuggle it for you (of course for a price) but usually a good kilo - 1900US

And then my friends would come down from pakistan with some nice Garda

We always had a good supply !

Thats why shit happend to me but only after living 23 years. You play with fire you will get burnt.

Unfortunaly the emirates loves its heroin (iran)(Gard)(not to be confused with garda)

Some Paan and my super silver grown in Dubai (Never dry bro, unless your a tourist)

Peace













 

naga_sadu

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Damn bro, 5 months...I'm realy sorry and I understand doing backsheesh there is kinda impossible.

Yea, I was speaking on angle of a tourist. I had several biz trips there, man was I as dry as the Sahara desert. Of course, by the docks, where all the dhows are, there is a VERY remote chance of getting score- but the shadiness of the whole thing combined with the crap quality etc., etc made the entire proposition not worthwile.

I guess if u live in Dubai, you can manage to have good supply. As a tourist, you'll be a bit hard pressed. I can only think of the docks- but I wouldn't rec. it as it WAY too shady.

I've had better luck in Bahrain as far as the GCC goes.
 

Yarkand

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No probs bro

Thank god i now live in Holland : )

Its just unfortunate that people still have to go through shit !
That was a sound judgement about the creek with dhows. Undercover cops all over those places.

Yeah i heard about Bahrain being pretty relaxed.

Anyays the whole region is screwd ! Dubai wants a play boy life style without drugs !!! Not possible, since all they advertise is linked to the drug life style!

Fucking hypocrits , sorry !

Peace Nadu
 

naga_sadu

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THe GCC is one place I never really could understand. Some of the nicest, most hospitable folks are from there. But as a "system" it simply don't click at all. Kinda like the US...

About the "playboy" lifestyle, I can kinda see what you mean. The "system" needs a HUGE dose of laxatives...maybe 5000 tonnes every day- before they can even begin talkin "playboy."

Where else can u be thrown in a cop car for asking someone "what time is it?" lol...that wasn't in Dubai but in Abu Dhabi...
 
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Yarkand

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They think their huge building and dredging of the sea will make people see dubai as a modern city. Load of crap. I got 5 months and a guy with the exact same case who was my room mate got 4 yrs (he was Indian of course).

That prick dallas austin. While we were all in jail and reading the news paper, he gets a royal pardon for having 5 g's of coke and 3 pills (on his way to celebrate naomi cambels birthday in Dubai) !

Its not a justice system ---- its a joke and its a thing called wasta. And thank god my family had some wasta for me (thats why i only got 5 months).
Wasta = Some sort of connections. My family has been there for 30yrs now.

So what kind of modern society is this.

Oh and the dredging of the sea destroyed fish spawning grounds. Damaging the environment with their disney land shit.

Good people, crap government
Great Food

They discriminate between races thats no doubt.

Enough said

Nice to meet you anyway Sadhu and thanks for popping in to chill

Boom :sasmokin:
 

alphacat

Member
naga_sadu said:
In short, the less capitalist the place, the better off the mj scene. The more the capitalism, the worst off the mj scene- mark my words.
Just my personal opinion but I would amend this statement to:

In short, the less capitalist the place, the better off the scene in general. The more the capitalism, the worst off any scene is...

Although I know some Keynesian anal-retentive type is gonna take exception to that though. Not like I care.

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naga_sadu

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In short, the less capitalist the place, the better off the scene in general. The more the capitalism, the worst off any scene is...

IF u need a living example: Visit Vietnam & Laos....
 

Tripco

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Yarkand said:
Yeah i heard about Bahrain being pretty relaxed.

Anyays the whole region is screwd ! Dubai wants a play boy life style without drugs !!! Not possible, since all they advertise is linked to the drug life style!

Dunno 'bout Bahrain (it seems like they wanna get more tourist traffic than Dubai), but i have a friend who worked in Kuwait for some time and he said that best fun overthere is to get on a plane and to fly to UAE. No fun at all, in Kuwait. After 20.00h every shop is closed, no bars, no alchohol (not even for foreigners), no ganja, even Khat is hard to find. Controlled TV, controlled internet. The only 2 things you can get a lot, are fuel and money (their sallaries are HUGE). For Kuwait people, Dubai is something like Las Vegas.
P.S. Naga what's with avatar change :chin: ? I liked better the old one.
 
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