Antifa, real or not?

[CosmicGiggle]

I noticed recently that several respected posters are saying that Antifa isn't real, as in doesn't exist in reality, yet I first heard of the term from the Charlottesville 'Unite the Right' rally/protest in 2017 when the group attacking the white nationalist/supremacists was identified by the news media as 'Antifa', short for anti fascist.

Wikipedia has an entry for Antifa and twitter has a hashtag #Antifa, and the name comes up frequently in conjunction with the riots, in fact, there is even an Antifa symbol, so, how is it possible that it doesn't exist?

 

[xavier7995]

Its just the current name used to describe a group. It isnt a real thing in the sense that it isnt an actual organization. The black bloc was similar in the 90s, same basic principles and ideas.

Sort of like the evolution of what they call people that smoke weed...tea heads---->dopers(?)----->stoners--->cannabis user

You wouldn't really call the stoners a real thing...they don't have an official anything, its just the label given to a group of people with some common trait.

 

[armedoldhippy]

nope, no card-carrying memberships. are there lots of people that are "anti-fascist"? bet on it. more being created every news cycle...

 

[Amynamous]

Seems to me that antifa exists.
However, it also seems to me that people who are deeply threatened by antifa are trying their best to rebrand and/or recharacterize antifa into something they are not.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Seems to me that antifa exists.
However, it also seems to me that people who are deeply threatened by antifa are trying their best to rebrand and/or recharacterize antifa into something they are not.

communist/socialist/rioters/snowflakes with man-buns?

 

[nepalnt21]

they exist, but is there evidence of them being organized and/ or responsible for riots or violence/ destruction?

they are always given as a 'begs the question' logical fallacy scapegoat on fox and oan, i think it's a red herring.

what about paid actors? leo rioters trying to undermine protests? government sanctioned plants?

anyway...

maybe the government doesn't understand that the general american public is truly this pissed off at the status quo

 

[armedoldhippy]

what about paid actors? leo rioters trying to undermine protests? government sanctioned plants?

anyway...

maybe the government doesn't understand that the general american public is truly this pissed off at the status quo

LEO has been planting agents provocateurs in groups they deem "subversive" for decades. look at how J.Edgar & the FBI tried to destroy anti-war & Civil Rights groups. in our own lives, look how the "war on drugs" has played out since Nixon & Reagan. more recently, "umbrella man" was identified & turned out to be a LEO operative active during protests. i doubt seriously that he was the only one...

 

[oldschoolnitro]

they exist, but is there evidence of them being organized and/ or responsible for riots or violence/ destruction?

they are always given as a 'begs the question' logical fallacy scapegoat on fox and oan, i think it's a red herring.

what about paid actors? leo rioters trying to undermine protests? government sanctioned plants?

anyway...

maybe the government doesn't understand that the general american public is truly this pissed off at the status quo

LOL...your mentally pathetic... Antifa is dam real..violent , well funded and organized... corporate hit mob funded by the establishment... modern day equivalent to the Nazi brown shirts.... enforcing a totalitarian ideology .

 

[nepalnt21]

evidence?

 

[CosmicGiggle]

LEO has been planting agents provocateurs in groups they deem "subversive" for decades. look at how J.Edgar & the FBI tried to destroy anti-war & Civil Rights groups. in our own lives, look how the "war on drugs" has played out since Nixon & Reagan. more recently, "umbrella man" was identified & turned out to be a LEO operative active during protests. i doubt seriously that he was the only one...

Speaking of J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI, I remember a time long ago when he assured the country that The Mafia didn't exist - another shadowy group at one time hard to pin down.

 

[GeorgeWBush]

LOL...your mentally pathetic... Antifa is dam real..violent , well funded and organized... corporate hit mob funded by the establishment... modern day equivalent to the Nazi brown shirts.... enforcing a totalitarian ideology .

All of this is correct.As for evidence,there is a shit pile out there readily available...Do something for yourself for a change and look it up...But even if someone would enact the labor to look it up for you ,you would just manufacturer excuses to de legitimize it anyway so what's the point in that

 

[SuperBadGrower]

"Aantifa isn't even real" is the same dogshit as: "Real communism has never been tried". In fact, when it was tried by the people who invented it, it killed so many people that those who own the media (international communists) are still trying to hide it. And thats why you have morons walking around in t shirts depicting mass murderers, with no repercussions. (I was once one of these morons) Imagine wearing a t shirt with a fascist on it.

 

[Hermanthegerman]

nope, no card-carrying memberships. are there lots of people that are "anti-fascist"? bet on it. more being created every news cycle...

I think you are not right, i´ve got my card.

 

[buzzmobile]

communist/socialist/rioters/snowflakes with man-buns?

Yes.

 

[nepalnt21]

i've looked it up over and over, and the evidence that antifa is well organized and responsible for a significant portion of the riots/ looting nationwide is scant at best.

what i always find is a lot of andy ngo types claiming they are the ones responsible.

i wish theit was good evidence.ihate people that attack journalists and try to murder people. it just doesn't add up that it's a well-organized thing led by a group called "antifa".

i want evidence.

 

[Horselover Fat]

I think you are not right, i´ve got my card.



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The new cards are nice and the soros money keeps flowing. Great times to be antifa! I don't even know what to do with all the money they keep sending in.

 

[oldschoolnitro]

i've looked it up over and over, and the evidence that antifa is well organized and responsible for a significant portion of the riots/ looting nationwide is scant at best.

what i always find is a lot of andy ngo types claiming they are the ones responsible.

i wish theit was good evidence.ihate people that attack journalists and try to murder people. it just doesn't add up that it's a well-organized thing led by a group called "antifa".

i want evidence.

there is enough video to see how these punks act... i would shoot the lot of them and not lose a second of sleep

 

[nepalnt21]

"these punks"?

i want evidence that "these punks" are antifa.

 

[xavier7995]

Speaking of J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI, I remember a time long ago when he assured the country that The Mafia didn't exist - another shadowy group at one time hard to pin down.

That's a group that you join, an actual association with a hierarchy. You dont join antifa, there isnt anything to join.

Going to try another analogy. People that are really into cars are gear heads. Thats just a generic term to describe the group, but it doesn't represent a real tangible thing. You can't join the gear heads, but if you show up at car events with great enthusiasm you could be called part of that group. Contrast that with a car club where you join some organization. Basically both groups are the same, but the gearheads don't have any structure or way to actually join them. Nobody can really speak for the group as a whole since there is no official set of beliefs, though they often do align. Going back to the gearheads though, ask any two and they are going to have different views on Chevy vs Ford or whatever, but both think cars are great.

Antifa could be broadly defined as just being against fascists, but getting to the more negative connotations with the rioting and such, there isnt a cohesive group answer on if protests should remain peaceful or burn shit down, Chevy vs ford, since it isnt organized in any way.

 

[EsterEssence]

Antifa is a website set up in Russia which has sense been moved to panama, fake news...