NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THIS - The Kalergi Plan.

[Montuno]

Unfortunately I won't be able to follow you to disscusion with the documentaries... My spoken English is rustier than a Somali cargo ship, and is only good enough to be understood in Gibraltar, and only by the macaques, I'm afraid...

...But I fervently join you in your deep concern for the endangered sacrosanct European identity with the cry of:
Sapiens go home! EUROPE IS NEANDERTHALENSIS !!!!

 

[Montuno]

...And to my fellow citizens of the European Union, now that Gypsy Nirvana and his compatriots are unfortunately or fortunately no longer EU citizens, I ask:
Even taking into account all the faults and shortcomings in the EU...: Do you want political (and not only economic) integration at last, or do you want a disintegration like the one Gypsy has suggested in a debatable map a few pages ago? With this map, for example, my father becomes a new nationality, my mother and I a second one, and my sister a third one... Is this the way to achieve a strong Europe?

And what about our anthem? Do you believe in the proposed informal letter when singing:
"Our Unity in Diversity, may contribute to World Peace(...)
And freedom for its people, in a greater motherland..." ?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=erWU0NHm1Xg

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- Quite honestly - I'd rather be living in an Agorist anarchistic society (dreams on) - but have to make do with a monarchistic/aristocratic autocracy masquerading as a parliamentary democracy - since this is the UK - and it is what it is -

- Britain has always been an island apart from mainland Europe - and I enjoy living on it most of the time - and no I don't want political integration with the rest of Europe - laws and decisions for Britain are best made by Britons in Britain - not by some unelected (by the British people) officials in Brussels or Strasbourg - you guys on the mainland are welcome to whatever rules the EEC makes - but I'm happy not to see that we here are ruled over by the EEC any more - and if the EEC wants to trade with the UK - that's up to them - if not - there is the rest of the world out there to trade with -

- I have 3 half Indian siblings (2 brothers and 1 sister) - a south-east Asian wife - and 5 mixed race children (Eurasians) - and all of them - bar 3 of the kids (in the Philippines) live in the UK quite happily - so I don't understand what you are saying about your parents and sister - makes no sense to me.

- I'm just against mass-unfettered immigration - particularly when the local population was never asked - nor had a referendum to allow it - which leads to the local indigenous population suffering - in many ways - just one of which is access to medical care - that they have paid for in NI contributions all of there adult lives -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNNcCRgeJBU
Why is Britain’s NHS struggling to cope?

...And to my fellow citizens of the European Union, now that Gypsy Nirvana and his compatriots are unfortunately or fortunately no longer EU citizens, I ask:
Even taking into account all the faults and shortcomings in the EU...: Do you want political (and not only economic) integration at last, or do you want a disintegration like the one Gypsy has suggested in a debatable map a few pages ago? With this map, for example, my father becomes a new nationality, my mother and I a second one, and my sister a third one... Is this the way to achieve a strong Europe?

And what about our anthem? Do you believe in the proposed informal letter when singing:
"Our Unity in Diversity, may contribute to World Peace(...)
And freedom for its people, in a greater motherland..." ?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=erWU0NHm1Xg

* - here is another book link - and I think that its an important book to read:
https://archive.org/details/TheGula...e-Gulag-Archipelago__vol1__I-II__Solzhenitsyn

 

[Montuno]

Gypsy:
Your listing your Asian family doesn't make sense to me either... What does that have to do with the fact that due to the remodelling of the European national borders that a map posted by you proposes, my parents and their two children, having all been born a few hundred kilometres away from each other, and all sharing the same political nationality, and sharing the same culture (except that my sister speaks a second language, apart from the one we all share), are thanks to that map of 3 new different political nationalities...
3 nationalities, moreover, of which only 1 would have had historical existence (and on top of that with a different territory than the one proposed...).
In short: Putin's dream.

As for the great, glorious, and reborn "imperial" future that awaits the UK, you can already sense it with what's happening in Gibraltar... What Spain's clumsy policies have not achieved in centuries, the U.K. itself has achieved with one decision...
And I'm going to give the British some bad news...: I'm not sure that the USA will ever allow you to be the last new state in their union... but I'm afraid that's where you're heading.
I too want to change the merchant union of the E.U. for a better system.
But as you say, moving from the E.U. to a system like the one you quote ("-a monarchistic/aristocratic autocracy masquerading as a parliamentary democracy - since this is the UK - and it is what it is -"), doesn't seem to me to be a revolutionary evolution...



Pd:
I know "The Gulag Archipelago". A great book by a great writer.
But I don't know what the repression in the USSR has to do with all this...

Pd2:
By the way; as I can't understand the previous videos, I ask you: are they of "those" who claim the non-existence ( or make-up or justify)
of the try of genocide or Nazi mass executions?

Spanish antifascist survival prisoners leading the welcome to Mauthausen, to the USA liberation troops, whom they greet with the military salute of the II Spanish Republic (a raised fist):

 

[Montuno]

And another question, Gypsy, about this romantic vision of European "tribalist/localist" cultural "essences"...:
Could you, as a contemporary Welsh and British citizen, recognise yourself culturally without the existence of the Germanic, Scandinavian, Greek and Roman/Italian cultural world ?

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- Whatever the politics and/or regional differences in Europe within the EEC - and the problems or not that creates will be up to the EEC to determine - I'm happy not to be part of it - and would rather concentrate on what goes on within our own borders here in the UK -

If you and your family wish to live anywhere within EEC Europe - as you do today because of Schengen - you can - so I don't see what a map I posted has to do with your freedoms nor liberties - its really up to the European Parliament where you can reside or not -

- What is Putin's dream? -

- British Imperialism has been in decline for well over 200 years - and what I would like to see is British self-sufficiency - and us concentrate on fixing this nation - back to the land - growing our own food - producing our own products, rather than sticking our noses into other nations business - the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or nation over foreign countries - or of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies - advocacy of imperial or sovereign interests over the interests of the dependent states is just about done and dusted - with only these very few territories left -

Anguilla
Bermuda
British Antarctic Territory
British Indian Ocean Territory
British Virgin Islands
Cayman Islands
Falkland Islands
Gibraltar
Montserrat
Pitcairn Islands
Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha
Saint Helena
Ascension Island
Tristan da Cunha
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia
Turks and Caicos Islands

The three Crown dependencies are:

Guernsey
Isle of Man
Jersey

- and I doubt if it is a long time before some of those territories attain their independence - Gibraltar could be the first of them - and revert back to Spanish EEC control - so be it -

- Britain has long been linked with America/USA initially as a colonizing power - and then even after US Independence - as an ally and friend of us Brits - even to this day we have much in common other than our main language - English - Whether you consider the UK to be a 'state' in the USA's union - or want the UK to be a 'state' in the European Union - is no-where that I would like to be - rather us be a sovereign independent nation - that makes our own laws - our own products/food - and trades with who we like to trade with globally - as it always was in the past -

PD2 - I can't give you a personal account of what happened in WW2 - not being involved or alive at the time - since I was born in 1960 - all I can do is read history books about it - and check vids/documentaries to have some idea what went on - as I have often found with history - there is the 'official sanctioned' version - and often a version which conflicts with that - so I read/watch both sides of the reported/recorded history - to try and attempt at forming some sort of opinion - double checking - fact checking - reasoning - and trying to piece together the puzzle of our past - my Grandfather was at Dunkirk/Tobruk/Anzio and Normandy in WW2 - but he never wanted to talk much about it - he showed me the wounds he had from the shrapnel - and then I knew it was a painful experience for him -

Gypsy:
Your listing your Asian family doesn't make sense to me either... What does that have to do with the fact that due to the remodelling of the European national borders that a map posted by you proposes, my parents and their two children, having all been born a few hundred kilometres away from each other, and all sharing the same political nationality, and sharing the same culture (except that my sister speaks a second language, apart from the one we all share), are thanks to that map of 3 new different political nationalities...
3 nationalities, moreover, of which only 1 would have had historical existence (and on top of that with a different territory than the one proposed...).
In short: Putin's dream.

As for the great, glorious, and reborn "imperial" future that awaits the UK, you can already sense it with what's happening in Gibraltar... What Spain's clumsy policies have not achieved in centuries, the U.K. itself has achieved with one decision...
And I'm going to give the British some bad news...: I'm not sure that the USA will ever allow you to be the last new state in their union... but I'm afraid that's where you're heading.
I too want to change the merchant union of the E.U. for a better system.
But as you say, moving from the E.U. to a system like the one you quote ("-a monarchistic/aristocratic autocracy masquerading as a parliamentary democracy - since this is the UK - and it is what it is -"), doesn't seem to me to be a revolutionary evolution...



Pd:
I know "The Gulag Archipelago". A great book by a great writer.
But I don't know what the repression in the USSR has to do with all this...

Pd2:
By the way; as I can't understand the previous videos, I ask you: are they of "those" who claim the non-existence ( or make-up or justify)
of the try of genocide or Nazi mass executions?

Spanish antifascist survival prisoners leading the welcome to Mauthausen, to the USA liberation troops, whom they greet with the military salute of the II Spanish Republic (a raised fist):

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[Montuno]

(...)
PD2 - I have no idea what happened in WW2 - not being involved or alive at the time - since I was born in 1960 - all I can do is read history books about it - and check vids/documentaries to have some idea what went on - as I have often found with history - there is the 'official sanctioned' version - and often a version which conflicts with that - so I read/watch both sides of the reported/recorded history - to try and attempt at forming some sort of opinion - double checking - fact checking - reasoning - and trying to piece together the puzzle of our past - my Grandfather was at Dunkirk/Tobruk/Anzio and Normandy in WW2 - but he never wanted to talk much about it - he showed me the wounds he had from the shrapnel - and then I knew it was a painful experience for him -

Gypsy, I Don't appeal to your historical knowledge and your knowledge of history... But to your linguistic knowledge, since I am unfortunately not fluent in the language of the colossal Shakespeare, I only ask you, please, to clarify to me if...

Gypsy:
(...)
By the way; as I can't understand the previous videos, I ask you: are they of "those" who claim the non-existence ( or make-up or justify)
of the try of genocide or Nazi mass executions?

I will be very grateful to you.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Gypsy, I Don't appeal to your historical knowledge and your knowledge of history... But to your linguistic knowledge, since I am unfortunately not fluent in the language of the colossal Shakespeare, I only ask you, please, to clarify to me if...

Gypsy:
(...)
By the way; as I can't understand the previous videos, I ask you: are they of "those" who claim the non-existence ( or make-up or justify)
of the try of genocide or Nazi mass executions?


I will be very grateful to you.

- Ahh - I think you are trying to find out if I am a 'Holocaust Denier' or not - eh? - or even someone who enjoys seeing innocent people murdered for whatever reasons - religious/political/economic or otherwise - no I am not - I'd rather we all lived in peace and love -

- But first before you study the Nazi Holocaust - study the 3 Holodomors in Bolshevik/Communist Russia - reading the Gulag Archipelago by Solzhenitsyn will give you a good insight to that - then you might realize where the Nazi National Socialists got the idea from for The Holocaust in the first place -

*look for who funded all these atrocities - for without the funding - they could never have happened - same could be said for all wars - 'All Wars are Bankers Wars' etc -

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

And another question, Gypsy, about this romantic vision of European "tribalist/localist" cultural "essences"...:
Could you, as a contemporary Welsh and British citizen, recognise yourself culturally without the existence of the Germanic, Scandinavian, Greek and Roman/Italian cultural world ?

- Yes - I do think that it is important to have a cultural identity - we always hear of 'Black Culture' or 'Chinese/Asian Culture' - or 'German Culture' etc etc - and many other ethnicities/nationalities relate to the history/religion and tribes their ancestors were a part of in days gone by - and identify with that even today -

- When I was young we would have English country dancing - Morris Dancing - and sing songs about Britain - and as I grew I would notice such rituals and practices that were distinctly English - like having teatime at 4pm and revelling at some of the great museums and institutions that preserved the history, the art and music British people had created in the past -

- It would be hard to recognize my own culture - without recognizing every one else's worldwide - and that genetically and even culturally we are all inextricably linked somehow - since all humans do have so much in common with each other -

 

[Montuno]

Primo Gypsy:

If the fact that Stalin was almost as, equal to, or worse than Hitler, is one of the "novel" historical views on Europe that you have discovered...I'm afraid you are later than the precious Spitfire in your photo to the Battle of Britain...

...For that it was not necessaryy to wait until you could read "Archipelago Gulag"...no even "Homenaje a Cataluña", " Rebelión en la Granja" or "1984"... In fact, your grandparents' generation could already have found out when my grandparents' generation begged them, since they did nothing against the German-Italian fascist invasion of their democracy, to at least lift the ban on helping them which they had extended over the rest of the "free world", and which left them in the exclusive hands of Uncle Stalin...
...And there you have the consequences: Stalin only sold us weapons and technical training... But the U.K. ended up having to ally militarily with Stalin, to save itself from Hitler...

" La Nueve (9)"; Military company of Spanish anti-fascists; the first Allies to enter Paris:

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- Not many people I have ever spoken with are aware that Lenin and Stalin were responsible for possibly 10x the human deaths/murders that were attributed to Hitler -

- In history lessons at the English school I attended back in the 1970's not much emphasis was put on teaching about the Bolshevik/Communist revolutions and subsequent Holodomors in Russia - where tens of millions of innocent people were sent to and exterminated via the Gulag system - but much emphasis was put on teaching us all about The Holocaust in Germany - so much so that I even learned the names of several Nazi concentration camps - but never learned the name of even one Gulag in soviet Russia - only after I left school at 15 years old with an enquiring mind did I learn about all of the Russian atrocities during the 3 Holodomors - particularly after reading 'Gulag Archipelago' - in my 20's -

- You seem to have some problem with how the British reacted to The Spanish Revolution back in the 1930's - where the British government at the time proclaimed neutrality - and its foreign policy was to prevent a major war by appeasement of Italy and Germany - British leaders believed that the Spanish Republican government was the puppet of extreme-left socialists and communists - well that's the official historical reason - perhaps there is another more true reason - that I have yet to discover?

- Churchill and his wealthy Zionist financial backers wanted WW2 to happen - it would be worth a fortune to the 'elites' who controlled the power and industries - and so the war went on consuming vast resources - and earning those that supplied it vast fortunes over 5 years or so - they didn't want peace at all - until Hitler was completely crushed -

- Hitler tried to make peace with Britain on many occasions before and since the start of WW2 - even to the point of getting Rudolph Hess into Britain (Scotland) to try and make peace with the British in person as a high ranking member of the Nazi's - each request for peace with the British was turned down -

On 10 May 1941 - Adolf Hitler's deputy Rudolf Hess parachuted into Scotland, landing in a field near Eaglesham - The prominent Nazi had flown solo for nearly 1,000 miles from Bavaria in a Messerschmitt Bf 110, apparently on a peace mission in the days leading up to Germany's invasion of Russia -

- Britain didn't ally with Russia to save itself from the Germans - it allied itself with Russia to crush the Nazi's - who couldn't even make air superiority over England to allow any invasion - though they tried -

- The Nazi's invasion hopes were beaten back by The Royal Airforce during The Battle of Britain - and the fact that England had the first RADAR system to detect when German planes would be over England helped win that battle - failing to get air superiority over England dashed any plans for the Nazi's to invade -

- The Nazi's just could not compete with the allies over the numbers of manufactured goods and weapons of war - guns, tanks, planes, ships, subs etc etc - and had dwindling resources to supply the weapons they had by 1944 after having failed to conquer Britain or Russia and being pounded at night by Bomber Command - and in the daytime by the United States Airforce - and lost WW2 mainly due to lack of munitions/oil and man/woman-power to fight it -

Primo Gypsy:

If the fact that Stalin was almost as, equal to, or worse than Hitler, is one of the "novel" historical views on Europe that you have discovered...I'm afraid you are later than the precious Spitfire in your photo to the Battle of Britain...

...For that it was not necessaryy to wait until you could read "Archipelago Gulag"...no even "Homenaje a Cataluña", " Rebelión en la Granja" or "1984"... In fact, your grandparents' generation could already have found out when my grandparents' generation begged them, since they did nothing against the German-Italian fascist invasion of their democracy, to at least lift the ban on helping them which they had extended over the rest of the "free world", and which left them in the exclusive hands of Uncle Stalin...
...And there you have the consequences: Stalin only sold us weapons and technical training... But the U.K. ended up having to ally militarily with Stalin, to save itself from Hitler...

" La Nueve (9)"; Military company of Spanish anti-fascists; the first Allies to enter Paris:

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[enter sandman]

The victors always write the history books. Most people are clueless about WWII and the Bolshevik Revolution...they are taught outright lies about WWI and II while the Bolshevik Revolution is completely hidden and omitted from school curriculum.
Two great documentaries to watch that are mind blowing concerning World War II:

Adolf Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told
Europa: The Last Battle

These two Docs can be found on BitChute for free. It's good to know what the Wars were really about and (((who))) were behind them in order to fully understand what is going on in the world today. And yes, The Kalergi Plan is very real and not some crazy tinfoil hat conspiracy. Be mindful of people -Gypsy- who pretend and say they don't believe it and it's crazy because many of them know that this is happening right now and are happy about it deep down...though they will never admit it. There's armies of Trolls online who attempt to debunk things like this out of pure evil and jealousy.

It's a documented fact and someone with an IQ of a rusty nail could see that it is a real agenda and is in progress as I type this. If you cannot see it after ample research and speculation...then you would be basically retarded. Or you are merely joyful that it is happening and you will attempt to convince everyone that it is not.

 

[Montuno]

- Not many people I have ever spoken with are aware that Lenin and Stalin were responsible for possibly 10x the human deaths/murders that were attributed to Hitler -

- In history lessons at the English school I attended back in the 1970's not much emphasis was put on teaching about the Bolshevik/Communist revolutions and subsequent Holodomors in Russia - where tens of millions of innocent people were sent to and exterminated via the Gulag system - but much emphasis was put on teaching us all about The Holocaust in Germany - so much so that I even learned the names of several Nazi concentration camps - but never learned the name of even one Gulag in soviet Russia - only after I left school at 15 years old with an enquiring mind did I learn about all of the Russian atrocities during the 3 Holodomors - particularly after reading 'Gulag Archipelago' - in my 20's -

- You seem to have some problem with how the British reacted to The Spanish Revolution back in the 1930's - where the British government at the time proclaimed neutrality - and its foreign policy was to prevent a major war by appeasement of Italy and Germany - British leaders believed that the Spanish Republican government was the puppet of extreme-left socialists and communists - well that's the official historical reason - perhaps there is another more true reason - that I have yet to discover?

- Churchill and his wealthy Zionist financial backers wanted WW2 to happen - it would be worth a fortune to the 'elites' who controlled the power and industries - and so the war went on consuming vast resources - and earning those that supplied it vast fortunes over 5 years or so - they didn't want peace at all - until Hitler was completely crushed -

- Hitler tried to make peace with Britain on many occasions before and since the start of WW2 - even to the point of getting Rudolph Hess into Britain (Scotland) to try and make peace with the British in person as a high ranking member of the Nazi's - each request for peace with the British was turned down -

On 10 May 1941 - Adolf Hitler's deputy Rudolf Hess parachuted into Scotland, landing in a field near Eaglesham - The prominent Nazi had flown solo for nearly 1,000 miles from Bavaria in a Messerschmitt Bf 110, apparently on a peace mission in the days leading up to Germany's invasion of Russia -

- Britain didn't ally with Russia to save itself from the Germans - it allied itself with Russia to crush the Nazi's - who couldn't even make air superiority over England to allow any invasion - though they tried -

- The Nazi's invasion hopes were beaten back by The Royal Airforce during The Battle of Britain - and the fact that England had the first RADAR system to detect when German planes would be over England helped win that battle - failing to get air superiority over England dashed any plans for the Nazi's to invade -

- The Nazi's just could not compete with the allies over the numbers of manufactured goods and weapons of war - guns, tanks, planes, ships, subs etc etc - and had dwindling resources to supply the weapons they had by 1944 after having failed to conquer Britain or Russia and being pounded at night by Bomber Command - and in the daytime by the United States Airforce - and lost WW2 mainly due to lack of munitions/oil and man/woman-power to fight it -

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No, Gypsy: I'm just using the history that our 2 countries have in common, to try to show you what happens to us Europeans when we pretend to be alien to each other, and concentrate on admiring our pink or brown navels...

We could illustrate it with what we let happen to Germany, ruining it, after WW1...but I am not fluent in the subject. Surely the contribution of German friends could do it....
(I think Gunter Grass's "It's a long story" is a good novel for illustration, am I wrong?)...

...Or more currently, with allowing the ruin of Greece...
(And how in both times and countries fascism grew afterwards...)

And out of my main intention with the historical examples, I will make two comments on your historical assertions, in my next post...

 

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Speaking of great redpill war documentaries this is a really good 3 part series.

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These too...

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[Gypsy Nirvana]

- My fellow Europeans are not 'alien' to me at all - I have travelled extensively throughout the European continent in the past - and realize that we have much in common and also a vast plethora of different cultural practices, art, music, theatre, cuisine amongst many other distinctly European quirks and features - that I have always enjoyed and been entertained by throughout all of my life - my 2nd wife was Dutch - and I have two older children still living in Holland -

- Just because I don't agree with any sort of European super-state and wish for British national autonomy within a sovereign nation - and have no desire to politically align Britain with what I consider a failed experiment (the EEC) - does not make the rest of Europe 'alien' to me -

- Talking about pink or brown navels sounds awfully juvenile - we call it 'pulling the race card' - because its not about race - there are already millions of British people from different ethnic groups/races in Britain - all have varying amount's of melanin - plus multi-coloured navels - and even I go brown in the sunshine - what it is about is an old and interesting culture (British) being swamped by mass immigration - and eventually being replaced by invasive cultures because of it - without the consent of the invaded indigenous people of that nation - the same applies to all other Western nations - except a few who are wise to it - and are controlling immigration to avoid what we are looking at -

*Here is an interesting 5 minute long video - for those who can understand English - on this very subject - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SqpEDv5Hao - Why Russia and Japan have not allowed mass immigration to their countries

No, Gypsy: I'm just using the history that our 2 countries have in common, to try to show you what happens to us Europeans when we pretend to be alien to each other, and concentrate on admiring our pink or brown navels...

We could illustrate it with what we let happen to Germany, ruining it, after WW1...but I am not fluent in the subject. Surely the contribution of German friends could do it....
(I think Gunter Grass's "It's a long story" is a good novel for illustration, am I wrong?)...

...Or more currently, with allowing the ruin of Greece...
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And out of my main intention with the historical examples, I will make two comments on your historical assertions, in my next post...

 

[Montuno]

- My fellow Europeans are not 'alien' to me at all - I have travelled extensively throughout the European continent in the past - and realize that we have much in common and also a vast plethora of different cultural practices, art, music, theatre, cuisine amongst many other distinctly European quirks and features - that I have always enjoyed and been entertained by throughout all of my life - my 2nd wife was Dutch - and I have two older children still living in Holland -

- Just because I don't agree with any sort of European super-state and wish for British national autonomy within a sovereign nation - and have no desire to politically align Britain with what I consider a failed experiment (the EEC) - does not make the rest of Europe 'alien' to me -

- Talking about pink or brown navels sounds awfully juvenile - we call it 'pulling the race card' - because its not about race - there are already millions of British people from different ethnic groups/races in Britain - all have varying amount's of melanin - plus multi-coloured navels - and even I go brown in the sunshine - what it is about is an old and interesting culture (British) being swamped by mass immigration - and eventually being replaced by invasive cultures because of it - without the consent of the invaded indigenous people of that nation - the same applies to all other Western nations - except a few who are wise to it - and are controlling immigration to avoid what we are looking at -

Here is an interesting 5 minute long video - for those who can understand English - on this very subject - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SqpEDv5Hao - Why Russia and Japan have not allowed mass immigration to their countries

Gipsy, to try to reverse against me, my humorous allusions to your own words.... I don't know whether to take it as a result of misunderstandings and translations, or as an insult to my intelligence...

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This is a long-read, and I hope that it keeps your attention because I feel that it is very important for all of us to know and realize what could be going on in Europe right now, and why. Who is behind it, and what are their aims.

https://sovereignwales.com/2016/09/...the-indigenous-nations-and-peoples-of-europe/

The genocidal Kalergi plan to destroy the indigenous nations and peoples of Europe
by cymrusofren

The hot potato of immigration – a perfectly reasonable debate for citizens of any country to have but one that many from all political persuasions are often unable to have without resorting to hysteria and polarisation.

Natural and sustainable immigration happens organically. Economic immigrants, whether legal or not, can’t be blamed or demonised for looking for a better quality of life. And genuine asylum seekers who escape war zones and civil wars created by any aggressor including western/Nato countries should expect our sympathy and help and be given refuge in the nearest safe country or countries as set out in international law.

But it isn’t that simple. Sadly there are political leaders and planners who seek to create and use mass immigration and the forced movement of people for their own nefarious purposes. Not many people have heard of the The Kalergi Pan European plan for Europe. In the 1920s, Free Mason Count Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi wrote a book titled “Praktischer Idealismus,” (Practical Idealism) which set out his views on how he believed the abolition of the right of self-determination and the elimination of European nations should be accomplished with the formation of an European Union.

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Who’s supposed to be the monarch again? Evelyn de Rothschild chats with Prince Charles

After publishing the book, Kalergi received help from Baron Louis de Rothschild who put him in touch with one of his friends, banker Max Warburg. Warburg then supported Kalergi with considerable funds to help form his European movement. The main problem lays with the fact that what Kalergi called for was not only the destruction of European nation states but also the deliberate ethnocide of the indigenous, mostly Caucasian race of the European continent. This he proposed should be done through enforced mass migration to create an undifferentiated homogeneous mass of serfs to be dominated by a wealthy self electing elite.

Kalergi in his own words:

“The (European) man of the future will be of mixed race. Today’s races and classes will disappear owing to the disappearing of space (nations), time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its outward appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals”

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This, Kalergi stated, should be a plan run for and by the racial and spiritual supremacy of ‘blood aristocracy and Jewry’. These are all his crude racialist words, not mine. People should be free to mix and settle with a partner from whatever race or ethnicity they choose. But what Kalergi and the Pan European plan specifically calls out for is the deliberate use of enforced and disproportionate mass immigration, especially from non-European countries, in order to bring in a Pan European single state dictatorship and destroy the indigenous pink/white nationalities, and therefore resistance, of Europe.

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In order to get a better picture of where this kind of twisted thinking comes from, those interested might want to look in more detail at Kabbalaism and at Babylonian mystery religion. These occult paganistic, Luciferian, anti Christian doctrines can be seen manifested in the highest degrees of Free Masonry and other secret societies, in the Kabbalah Zohar literature, in the subversive Sabbatean/Frankist movements and in the highly unpleasant supremacist teachings of the Babylonian Talmud bible – a doctrine that refers to non Talmudists as the sub-human Goyim/Gentiles (cattle) and which is followed and taught within Rabbinical and ultra orthodox Talmudism and within religious and political Zionism.

Babylonian occultism has also creeped in to most other organised religions at the higher levels including Roman Catholicism, Islam, Protestant Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism and the New Age Movement. It is also to be found as a guiding principle in the upper echelons of the unelected United Nations.

Alongside globalist corporations and philanthropists, these followers of occult Kabbalaism and extreme Talmudic and Zionist teachings seem to be especially preoccupied with deliberately destroying the indigenous nations and Caucasian race of Europe through mass enforced and unfettered multiculturalism. They also seem preoccupied in destroying the traditional Christian heritage and moral values that have largely helped to build and maintain a flourishing and diverse, culturally rich European civilisation.

The illegal attacks led by a small crazed Anglo-American-Israeli elite seen in recent years on majority Muslim countries such as Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya has also conveniently led to the radicalisation of many of the men and women of those countries. A large proportion of whom are now intent on revenge through the bloody destruction of the west by war or invasion. It could be easily surmised that this has played beautifully in to the hands of those European and Zionist elements who themselves want to see Europe destroyed as the Kalergi plan lays out. In other words, the radical Muslims have been played as much as we Europeans have. Divide and conquer, play both sides and all that. Perhaps it would be an idea for all divided enemies to start talking to each other and to look at who all the vested interests pulling all these strings might be and ask why are they doing it?

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The majority of the people of Israel and elsewhere who are moderate non Talmudic followers of old testament (Torah) Judaism, Arab Christians, Atheists, Agnostics, and moderate Muslims are also as much victims of such dangerous elite supremacist doctrine as we in Europe seem to be. And many if not most orthodox Jews don’t even realise that what they’re following or affiliating themselves with is extreme Talmudic Judaism, with increasing numbers now becoming aware of the extremities of Talmudic teachings.

Zionism is essentially Rothschild Zionism. The Rothschild family is a globalist banking family who have been and are currently in charge of most of the wealth and central banks of the world, and a great deal of its media. They are also bankers to the equally rich and powerful Roman Catholic Church and its Jesuit order in the Vatican – another institution heavily infiltrated by occult Kabbalism and one also very keen on a globalist new world order of one government, one cashless currency and one religion.

Either way, it makes it impossible for me to have a real debate.
I take this opportunity just to send you again my best wishes of health for you and yours.

 

[Guest]

@Montuno - Por qué te molestas en discutir con peña así? Te aseguro que no vas a conseguir nada.

Ya has dejado claros tus valores, así como el ha dejado clara su falta de los mismos. Desde que frecuento este foro he podido comprobar la cantidad de gentuza de este tipo que conforman este mundillo. Cualquier persona con dos dedos de frente ve venir a la legua el tipo de cutre-argumentos que usan. Disfrazan su odio racial hablando de herencia cultural, preservación de tradiciones y porquería así, el tipo de discurso que siempre han usado exactamente ya sabes quién.

Ya has demostrado que estás por encima de eso, si le das bola lo único que vas a conseguir es darle razones para seguir escupiendo la basura odiosa que hay por este hilo.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- OK Montuno - possibly 'Cognitive Dissonance' comes to mind? - combined with the fact that Spanish is your Mother tongue - and so misunderstandings in translation can make it difficult to accurately debate with you - but good attempt at least - it has been interesting - and if your intelligence feels insulted - then we can sympathize - since the feeling is faintly mutual -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq7JSic1DtM
Public Image Limited - Rise -

*- The message is in the lyrics -

** - BTW - '' in order to bring in a Pan European single state dictatorship and destroy the indigenous pink/white nationalities, and therefore resistance, of Europe.'' - these were not my words - they are part of the article from the sovereign Wales site - https://sovereignwales.com/2016/09/...the-indigenous-nations-and-peoples-of-europe/

Gipsy, to try to reverse against me, my humorous allusions to your own words.... I don't know whether to take it as a result of misunderstandings and translations, or as an insult to my intelligence...



Either way, it makes it impossible for me to have a real debate.
I take this opportunity just to send you again my best wishes of health for you and yours.

@Montuno - Why do you bother arguing with rock like that? I assure you, you're not going to get anything.

You have already made your values clear, just as he has made clear his lack of them. Since I frequent this forum I have been able to check the amount of mob of this type that make up this world. Anyone with two fingers in front sees the kind of cutre-arguments they use come to the league. They disguise their racial hatred by talking about cultural heritage, preservation of traditions and crap like that, the kind of discourse they've always used exactly you know who.

You've already shown that you're above that, if you give him ball all you're going to get is to give him reasons to keep spitting out the hateful crap out of this thread.

*translation from the Spanish -

- Okey-Dokey - so if a Rastaman talks about his cultural heritage - or someone from Spain or the USA or anywhere else in the world - you call that a disguise for racial hatred? - An ethnic community that recognizes its culture - its heritage - its history - sports - art - music/dance etc and wishes to preserve it is 'racist?' - <faceplant> - I'd expect to see you attacking Flamenco dancers next - for dancing Flamenco - (which is beautiful) -

- Ya - I'd say that's delusional - seriously delusional - and sounds more like 'spitting out the hateful crap' - than anything I have written -

 

[Montuno]

@Montuno - Por qué te molestas en discutir con peña así? Te aseguro que no vas a conseguir nada.

Ya has dejado claros tus valores, así como el ha dejado clara su falta de los mismos. Desde que frecuento este foro he podido comprobar la cantidad de gentuza de este tipo que conforman este mundillo. Cualquier persona con dos dedos de frente ve venir a la legua el tipo de cutre-argumentos que usan. Disfrazan su odio racial hablando de herencia cultural, preservación de tradiciones y porquería así, el tipo de discurso que siempre han usado exactamente ya sabes quién.

Ya has demostrado que estás por encima de eso, si le das bola lo único que vas a conseguir es darle razones para seguir escupiendo la basura odiosa que hay por este hilo.

Bueno, yo realmente no creo que Gypsy sea el clásico racista por odio: ni siquiera creo que sea mala persona; si no te aseguro que no intentaría empatizar y debatir con el... Estoy seguro que "su problema" es por miedo, y no por odio...
Ese miedo que ha conseguido inculcar la nueva ultraderecha en capas de la población que antes eran, por pura lógica y contraposicion de intereses e ideales, impermeables a sus mensajes...

Y claro que me suena y mucho su discurso, je. Si tu eres de mi país, seguro que también... Coge los delirios sobre conspiraciones judeo-masonicas-bolcheviques de Franco y sus hordas bárbaras, con un poco de lo más rancio del Opus Dei...agitalo...y ale.... Hasta un Papa Satánico jesuita hay, je...
Pero todo un poco "remozado" para los "nuevos" tiempos, como la nueva ultraderecha española de VOX y sus portavoces negros, je...

Lo que me ha molestado es que se contradiga y/o maquille (su propia disonancia cognitiva, je...) las ideas que está publicitando, y además pretenda que son "argumentos/conceptos mios propios, y bastante infantiles", cuando se lo señalo con humor, pero con respeto...

En fin... Un saludo y como tu bien dices, no alimentemos más a la bicha...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QBJRhQsrdCI

 

[Guest]

Ese miedo que ha conseguido inculcar la nueva ultraderecha en capas de la población que antes eran, por pura lógica y contraposicion de intereses e ideales, impermeables a sus mensajes...

No podría haberlo dicho mejor. Al menos antes a la extrema derecha era fácilmente identificable por todo el mundo, y separada del resto de la gente. Digamos que antes era abiertamente agresiva, mientras que la actual es más bien pasivo-agresiva

Ahora con la porquería de los medios sociales y sobre todo después de ver que gente como Trump realmente consiguen los resultados tangibles que quieren, manipulando y diciendo mentiras con toda la cara. Esta gente tienen comprobado que ganar o perder discusiones políticas es lo de menos,. Lo importante es seguir soltando barbaridades, cuantas más mejor, simplemente porque hay más posibilidades de que algunas de las personas lo lean y se lo crean. La desinformación y la manipulación crean este caldo de cultivo para que gente bienintencionada pero con pocas luces intente tomar la justicia por su mano. Como les pasó hace unas semanas a los yankis con el asalto al capitolio.

En fin. Disculpa no quiero meterte en problemas, esta mañana estaba de mal humor y este tipo de hilos me encienden. Encima en un foro de fumetas sabes? Es que ya no se puede estar en paz en ningún sitio