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    - Excellent tobedetermined! - great to hear about your Dad's life back then as a radio operator on a Wellington Bomber of the 37th Squadron of the R.A.F. - here are some other 37th Squadron facts -

    No.37 Squadron had been reformed in 1937 as a heavy bomber squadron equipped with the Harrow bomber. It received more modern aircraft, in the shape of the Vickers Wellington I on May 1939, giving the squadron just over three months to get used to the new aircraft.

    The squadron went into action seven hours after the British ultimatum to Germany expired, flying a sweep over Heligoland Bight. Heavy loses soon forced Bomber Command to abandon this sort of daylight raid, and the squadron became a night bomber unit.


    * above Wellington Bombers of the 37th Squadron (R.A.F.) over Libya -

    In November 1940 the squadron was transferred to Egypt, via Malta, from where it carried out a number of sorties. Once in Egypt the squadron took part in the campaign in the western desert, supporting the Eighth Army against Rommel and the Afrika Korps. It also took part in the suppression of the Iraqi revolt and sent a detachment to Greece (March 1941).



    In 1943 the squadron took part in the Allied advance, moving to Libya in February and to Tunisia in May. This allowed its bombers to range further across occupied Europe. Finally in December 1943 the squadron moved to Italy, staying at Tortorella from 29 December 1943 until 2 October 1945. While in Italy the Wellingtons were finally replaced with Liberator VIs. From its base in Italy the squadron attacked targets in Italy, Yugoslavia, Hungary, Bulgaria and Albania, as well as dropping supplies to the Yugoslav partisans. The squadron also took part in Allied operations to mine the Danube, blocking it to Axis shipping.

    Aircraft

    May 1939-November 1939: Vickers Wellington I
    September 1939-October 1940: Vickers Wellington IA
    October 1940-March 1943: Vickers Wellington IC
    March 1943-April 1943: Vickers Wellington III
    March 1944-December 1944: Vickers Wellington X
    October 1944-March 1946: Consolidated Liberator VI

    Location

    26 April 1937-30 November 1940: Feltwell
    8-14 November: Malta while in transit
    30 November-17 December 1940: Fayid
    17 December 1940-25 April 1942: Shallufa
    March 1941: Detachment sent to Greece
    25 April-27 June 1942: LG.09
    27-29 June 1942: LG.224
    29 June-6 November 1942: Abu Sueir
    6-13 November 1942: LG.224
    13-30 November 1942: LG.106
    30 November 1942-23 January 1943: LG. 140
    23 January-14 February 1943: El Magrun
    14-25 February 1943: Gardabia East (Libya)
    25 February-30 May 1943: Gabdabia West
    30 May-15 November 1943: Kairouan/ Temmar(Tunisia)
    15 November-14 December 1943: Djedeida
    14-29 December 1943: Cerignola (Italy)
    29 December 1943-2 October 1945: Tortorella

    Group and Duty

    26 September 1939-Novmber 1940: Bomber squadron with No. 3 Group
    November 1940-December 1943: Bomber squadron, North Africa
    December 1943-1945: Italy




    Originally posted by tobedetermined View Post
    "In November of 1941 we picked up a brand new Wellington Ic, and departed for the Middle East where the desert war was gaining momentum. This aeroplane had a British Marconi 1154-55 transmitter and receiver combination, with a crude radio compass. We still used interrupted continuous wave (Morse) for all of our communications, but the set was a considerable improvement over the previous 1082-83 even though both sets lacked precise crystal tuning. The unreliable TR-9 was supposed to provide short range voice communication. Over Britain they were mainly useful for listening out for barrage balloon squeakers.

    We arrived in Gibraltar just as Ark Royal was sinking a short distance outside the mooring area. All of her sailors were rescued, and many of her Swordfish were flown to Gib. The next morning we departed for Malta about 1,000 miles away. We were leading a vic of three. All went well until we reached a position south of Pantalleria where we were intercepted by six Italian CR. 42s. We went down to sea level and turned south, to lead them farther away from their presumed base. They formed a counter clockwise endless circle behind us and raked our formation with their .5 inch synchronized guns. We could not use our front turrets or even the beam guns in this situation. From the astro hatch I had the best view of all, and I remember the ridiculous thought that "Gee. This is just like Hell's Angels." Biplane fighters and the sparkle of synchronized guns firing through the props. All that was missing was the late Jean Harlow.

    Vic Walklyn, our rear gunner, got one, and he turned north emitting heavy smoke. The others continued their attack and a lucky shot knocked out the starboard engine of Sgt. Barlow's Wellington, which was in tight formation on our port side. The prop assembly came off, and Barlow had to ditch almost immediately. We were coming into scattered low cloud at this point, but we were able to circle and see that all six crewmen had got into their dinghy. The remaining Italians broke off at this point, too; probably low on fuel with a long way to go home.

    We were very much out of our element with unescorted Wellingtons in daylight, as had been proven two years earlier in the North Sea port and shipping raids. I think, too, that we were the very last of the Delivery Flight Wellingtons to fly down the Mediterranean in daylight. We had obviously been spotted the moment we left Gib, and had probably been monitored all the way to the ambush.

    I was in communication with Malta all the way in, and actually had to land with my trailing aerial out because I was still working the ground station and they didn't even know we were landing.

    Amazingly, from our altitude of some 100 feet, Birdlip in faraway England was the first to answer the distress call I sent. The other stations in the HF/DF chain all came in right after. The Navy sent a Swordfish out from Malta to the reported position and they found the dinghy without difficulty. The RAF sent out its high speed rescue launch and picked the crew up that night. Bert Cameron, the front gunner, was painfully but not seriously injured. Because of the fluorescent dye around the dinghy, the boy's uniforms were a brilliant yellow every time it rained for the next two months. New uniforms, and just about everything else, were scarce in Malta at that time.

    Unfortunately, we lost our new aircraft to bombing in Malta."
    'It can all start from a seed'

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      Originally posted by Gypsy Nirvana View Post
      - Excellent tobedetermined! - great to hear about your Dad's life back then as a radio operator on a Wellington Bomber of the 37th Squadron of the R.A.F. - here are some other 37th Squadron facts -
      I know a lot of guys have WW2 interest, so should I start my own thread & post some more?

      He flew 40 ops in Europe & the ME in 1941 & 1942 when the survival rate for bomber crews was pretty pitiful.
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        Originally posted by tobedetermined View Post
        I know a lot of guys have WW2 interest, so should I start my own thread & post some more?

        He flew 40 ops in Europe & the ME in 1941 & 1942 when the survival rate for bomber crews was pretty pitiful.
        - Yes - for sure - do start a WW2 thread - for all of us who are interested - bound to be a few more 'History-Heads' around tobedetermind - and many of us will have relatives that fought and died - or returned intact even - from WW2 - with stories to tell -

        - I think it was around half the RAF bomber crews in WW2 that never made it home - so many lost - below on the ground - under the bombs that were dropped - and so many lost in the air too - I hope we never have to go thru what they had to do -



        Savoia Marchetti SM 79 Sparviero in volo - Italian WW2 Bomber -
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          Originally posted by tobedetermined View Post
          "In November of 1941 we picked up a brand new Wellington Ic, and departed for the Middle East where the desert war was gaining momentum. This aeroplane had a British Marconi 1154-55 transmitter and receiver combination, with a crude radio compass. We still used interrupted continuous wave (Morse) for all of our communications, but the set was a considerable improvement over the previous 1082-83 even though both sets lacked precise crystal tuning. The unreliable TR-9 was supposed to provide short range voice communication. Over Britain they were mainly useful for listening out for barrage balloon squeakers.

          We arrived in Gibraltar just as Ark Royal was sinking a short distance outside the mooring area. All of her sailors were rescued, and many of her Swordfish were flown to Gib. The next morning we departed for Malta about 1,000 miles away. We were leading a vic of three. All went well until we reached a position south of Pantalleria where we were intercepted by six Italian CR. 42s. We went down to sea level and turned south, to lead them farther away from their presumed base. They formed a counter clockwise endless circle behind us and raked our formation with their .5 inch synchronized guns. We could not use our front turrets or even the beam guns in this situation. From the astro hatch I had the best view of all, and I remember the ridiculous thought that "Gee. This is just like Hell's Angels." Biplane fighters and the sparkle of synchronized guns firing through the props. All that was missing was the late Jean Harlow.

          Vic Walklyn, our rear gunner, got one, and he turned north emitting heavy smoke. The others continued their attack and a lucky shot knocked out the starboard engine of Sgt. Barlow's Wellington, which was in tight formation on our port side. The prop assembly came off, and Barlow had to ditch almost immediately. We were coming into scattered low cloud at this point, but we were able to circle and see that all six crewmen had got into their dinghy. The remaining Italians broke off at this point, too; probably low on fuel with a long way to go home.

          We were very much out of our element with unescorted Wellingtons in daylight, as had been proven two years earlier in the North Sea port and shipping raids. I think, too, that we were the very last of the Delivery Flight Wellingtons to fly down the Mediterranean in daylight. We had obviously been spotted the moment we left Gib, and had probably been monitored all the way to the ambush.

          I was in communication with Malta all the way in, and actually had to land with my trailing aerial out because I was still working the ground station and they didn't even know we were landing.

          Amazingly, from our altitude of some 100 feet, Birdlip in faraway England was the first to answer the distress call I sent. The other stations in the HF/DF chain all came in right after. The Navy sent a Swordfish out from Malta to the reported position and they found the dinghy without difficulty. The RAF sent out its high speed rescue launch and picked the crew up that night. Bert Cameron, the front gunner, was painfully but not seriously injured. Because of the fluorescent dye around the dinghy, the boy's uniforms were a brilliant yellow every time it rained for the next two months. New uniforms, and just about everything else, were scarce in Malta at that time.

          Unfortunately, we lost our new aircraft to bombing in Malta."
          My roommate and dear friend who was a Malta Ace; not his ride, he just hopped in for the photo.

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            - Ahh - where were we? - kinda spun off there to Malta during WW2 for a while - nice to give some light on what becomes of vast financial agenda's - that propel the masses - the proletariat - the middle and lower classes - to go to war and murder each other - while the organizers and financiers of these 'events' sit in the very best hotel suites - or at home with the family watching all of their plans become reality - as they become even more exceedingly wealthy and powerful at the same time -

            - Like young boys gleefully playing tin soldiers - they upgrade the weapons of destruction they always profit from - and always profit from the upgrade - because now they are better able to cause more terror and destruction - with an ever more powerful arsenal - to kill and ruin more innocent people - who are totally un-aware that they are a part of this deeply terrible game of supremacy-conspiracy with an agenda to create and change history to favour their own aims - with this now regular cull of humanity - which includes - slavery and conquest of the spiritual mind and the physical body - culture - land and tradition - in the now and the here after (if there is such a thing) - is just about cyclical with regular war/proxy-wars planned and executed on such a regular basis - invading to secure very valuable natural resources - whilst displacing millions of people from their homes because they hope to escape the terror - directing them into becoming an unwitting army of the prophet at first - encouraging them to travel and settle in far off lands - where initially they will be received with happiness and support - welcome and joy - until they are of the numbers to turn on their benefactors and bite off the hand that fed them - and institute their own 'rule of law' - a totalitarian and fascistic anti-egalitarian dogma - that will set what we consider modern society back 500 years in social evolution - to the years of the reformation where public executions and torture - along with sanctioned lawful government barbarity - which was rife - along with the superstitious and violent laws and punishments towards 'blasphemy' - 'apostacy' - claimed 'infidelity' - and many other victimless crimes within a society far from secular - as it is today - that will be practiced and instituted upon us - because 'it is written?' -<doom and gloom church organ music>

            - The spectre of the above ideas conjures up the concept of us having to go thru a social de-evolution of sorts - and start again thru days not dissimilar to when the world had The Spanish Inquisition - back in the middle-ages (1400's) - so is this where the great re-set will start from?

            - Conspiracy? Our Subverted History, Part 1 - Setting the Stage -
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOM2...ature=youtu.be


            * meme that makes you wonder -

            Last edited by Gypsy Nirvana; 02-12-2021, 14:46.
            'It can all start from a seed'

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              Imagine if old gregg was on shore to greet them? Rofl
              https://youtu.be/4LZo9ugJTWQ
              I eat legos

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                Great discussion and relevant to this thread:


                https://www.knowmorenews.org/kmn-vid...more-news-live

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                  Originally posted by enter sandman View Post
                  Great discussion and relevant to this thread:


                  https://www.knowmorenews.org/kmn-vid...more-news-live
                  - Good link sandman - talks about a Guardian columnist who got fired for writing about US military aid to Israel - he got cancelled for criticizing those who will not be criticized - or you don't work - ya get 'Cancelled' - Joe Biden's cabinet is 33% <amended> - Zionist/Jewish - (doesn't that look odd to you?) - with Jewish people being only 1% of the USA population -

                  * Joe Biden - a Zionist - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbn4i7_CFIM 'BIDEN: WERE I A JEW I'D BE A ZIONIST!' - well you can be a Christian and a Muslim Zionist also - as it looks like Joe is - kissing the Zionist ring in this video - just the same as every POTUS has since Wilson (except JFK who was trying to stop Israeli nuclear proliferation) - when The Federal Reserve Bank came into being - maybe even before - who funded the American Civil War?

                  ** Albert Einstein on Zionism - ''Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultra nationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority - Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model. During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute''

                  *** https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....56#post9118156 - post 665








                  - oh - if you want to know more about what anti-semitic is - watch this vid titled: "Anti-semitic, its a trick we always use it"
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE
                  Last edited by Gypsy Nirvana; 02-21-2021, 13:34.
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                    [QUOTE=Gypsy Nirvana;9121185]- Good link sandman - talks about a Guardian columnist who got fired for writing about US military aid to Israel - he got cancelled for criticizing those who will not be criticized - or you don't work - ya get 'Cancelled' - Joe Biden's cabinet is 73% Zionist/Jewish - (doesn't that look odd to you?) -

                    The Tribe always call every nefarious thing that they do a 'Trope' or 'Conspiracy Theory'. They always use these same tactics and the gullible masses buy it hook, line and sinker. Since they essentially own and control ALL media...every opponent and individual who exposes them will be labelled a conspiracy theorist, anti-semite, Nazi and so forth. And you can prove the Trope or conspiracy theory to be true with irrefutable facts and evidence but (((they))) never admit or waver in their stoic determination and deception.

                    It is odd and in another way it's not...because the Zionists have always been there behind the curtain but have become more emboldened in the last decade or so. If you have studied this subject for many years, you will notice that they do things 'slowly' and incrementally over time so as to not arouse suspicion. Like The Frog in the Boiling Water analogy. They have slowly showed their hand step by step.
                    They are all malignant narcissists (with a touch of schizophrenia) and often play their hands too soon, become too boastful, arrogant and sometimes rush things...confident in the fact that they have it all wrapped up (the particular nation they have sunk their parasitic tentacles into).

                    And this is why - many times - they were expelled from the nations they inhabited in the past...over 109 nations they were forcibly expelled from since 250 AD.

                    Adam Green of Know More News does a helluva job breaking down the agenda, psychology and religion of these people. Go back and watch many of his older videos and the complete collection can be found on his Bitchute channel. They admit what they are doing themselves...like demographically replacing White Europeans worldwide and destroying Christianity. It is in their religion and it's something they believe they must do in order for their Jewish messiah 'Moshiach' to appear.

                    Very sneakily they have been introducing their Noahide Laws little by little to be implemented and made into law...especially here in the USA. These Noahide Laws are what will be observed in the coming centuries after all of humanity has been blended into one boring, brown and confused race with no roots or identity. This future race of humans will have lower IQ and will be much easier to control and rule over and that is the overall plan in a nutshell. I would also read Kevin MacDonald on this subject...his book 'The Culture of Critique' goes into great detail about The Tribe. I even think he has done one or more interviews with Adam Green on Know More News.


                    These Noahide laws will have to be observed by the Goyim in the future - or else.
                    Last edited by enter sandman; 02-14-2021, 04:47.

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                      Good to see that we're able to criticize the elephant in the room (Zionist) with out getting banned or censored in this forum.

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                        Originally posted by RoyalFlush View Post
                        Good to see that we're able to criticize the elephant in the room (Zionist) with out getting banned or censored in this forum.

                        Sometimes it seems like you'd need to have your own arsenal of nuclear weapons just be able to safely speak the truth about the history of that particular elephant.

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                          Originally posted by enter sandman View Post
                          - Quote GN: ''Good link sandman - talks about a Guardian columnist who got fired for writing about US military aid to Israel - he got cancelled for criticizing those who will not be criticized - or you don't work - ya get 'Cancelled' - Joe Biden's cabinet is 73% Zionist/Jewish - (doesn't that look odd to you?)'' -

                          The Tribe always call every nefarious thing that they do a 'Trope' or 'Conspiracy Theory'. They always use these same tactics and the gullible masses buy it hook, line and sinker. Since they essentially own and control ALL media...every opponent and individual who exposes them will be labelled a conspiracy theorist, anti-semite, Nazi and so forth. And you can prove the Trope or conspiracy theory to be true with irrefutable facts and evidence but (((they))) never admit or waver in their stoic determination and deception.

                          It is odd and in another way it's not...because the Zionists have always been there behind the curtain but have become more emboldened in the last decade or so. If you have studied this subject for many years, you will notice that they do things 'slowly' and incrementally over time so as to not arouse suspicion. Like The Frog in the Boiling Water analogy. They have slowly showed their hand step by step.

                          They are all malignant narcissists (with a touch of schizophrenia) and often play their hands too soon, become too boastful, arrogant and sometimes rush things...confident in the fact that they have it all wrapped up (the particular nation they have sunk their parasitic tentacles into).

                          And this is why - many times - they were expelled from the nations they inhabited in the past...over 109 nations they were forcibly expelled from since 250 AD.

                          Adam Green of Know More News does a helluva job breaking down the agenda, psychology and religion of these people. Go back and watch many of his older videos and the complete collection can be found on his Bitchute channel. They admit what they are doing themselves...like demographically replacing White Europeans worldwide and destroying Christianity. It is in their religion and it's something they believe they must do in order for their Jewish messiah 'Moshiach' to appear.

                          Very sneakily they have been introducing their Noahide Laws little by little to be implemented and made into law...especially here in the USA. These Noahide Laws are what will be observed in the coming centuries after all of humanity has been blended into one boring, brown and confused race with no roots or identity. This future race of humans will have lower IQ and will be much easier to control and rule over and that is the overall plan in a nutshell. I would also read Kevin MacDonald on this subject...his book 'The Culture of Critique' goes into great detail about The Tribe. I even think he has done one or more interviews with Adam Green on Know More News.


                          These Noahide laws will have to be observed by the Goyim in the future - or else.
                          - Yes - from your post - I see further points that need some study/research and attention - first of all I will try and give us some background on what exactly Zionism is - where it came from - and what are its aims today in modern Israel and globally - also what were its aims back when the Schiff's and the Warbergs were busy funding and encouraging world wars and revolutions that would not only benefit individual Zionists/Jews - but the entire ethno-religious group -

                          - I did do some reading before in some Jewish holy books - and came across this story about the coming of a great 'Moshiach' or 'Messiah' - which most Jews believe will occur one day - this 10 minute video delves into this topic by asking orthodox Jewish men about it - please do watch it for further understanding: - https://www.bitchute.com/video/cSeWcZUyJnlS/

                          * in this video some orthodox Jewish men state that it is written that the gentiles/goy (all who are not Jewish) will be en-slaved to Judaism - (are we not somewhat there already?)



                          Originally posted by RoyalFlush View Post
                          Good to see that we're able to criticize the elephant in the room (Zionist) with out getting banned or censored in this forum.
                          - Yes - well I think that we have to understand what Zionism is - and how the practitioners of this 'Political/Nationalistic Ideology' have managed to change the world towards their aims - and the somewhat hidden super-power that it has become today - throughout its history - from the ideas of Theodore Herzl -



                          Last edited by Gypsy Nirvana; 02-14-2021, 08:07.
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                            - as I peruse the internet on this topic 'Zionism' - I come up with quite a thorough article from 'The Guardian' newspaper in the UK - which is considered to be 'left-wing' - so this might satisfy those who think this is all some sort of 'right-wing conspiracy' - here it is in full - you can go via the link to The Guardian site to read it also - if you like - where you will find many other links to stories on Zionism - Yes from the same paper where a columnist was recently 'Cancelled' for making the connection of Zionism with Fascism - in regards to the Palestinian situation - and the billions of dollars Israel gets via USA AID -

                            The long read - https://www.theguardian.com/news/201...is-antisemitic

                            - Debunking the myth that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitic -

                            All over the world, it is an alarming time to be Jewish – but conflating anti-Zionism with Jew-hatred is a tragic mistake

                            by Peter Beinart
                            Thu 7 Mar 2019 06.00 GMT


                            It is a bewildering and alarming time to be a Jew, both because antisemitism is rising and because so many politicians are responding to it not by protecting Jews but by victimising Palestinians.

                            On 16 February, members of France’s yellow vest protest movement hurled antisemitic insults at the distinguished French Jewish philosopher Alain Finkielkraut. On 19 February, swastikas were found on 80 gravestones in Alsace. Two days later, the French president, Emmanuel Macron, after announcing that Europe was “facing a resurgence of antisemitism unseen since World War II”, unveiled new measures to fight it.

                            Among them was a new official definition of antisemitism. That definition, produced by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance in 2016, includes among its “contemporary examples” of antisemitism “denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination”. In other words, anti-Zionism is Jew hatred. In so doing, Macron joined Germany, Britain, the United States and roughly 30 other governments. And like them, he made a tragic mistake.

                            Anti-Zionism is not inherently antisemitic – and claiming it is uses Jewish suffering to erase the Palestinian experience. Yes, antisemitism is growing. Yes, world leaders must fight it fiercely. But in the words of a great Zionist thinker, “This is not the way”.

                            The argument that anti-Zionism is inherently antisemitic rests on three pillars. The first is that opposing Zionism is antisemitic because it denies to Jews what every other people enjoys: a state of its own. “The idea that all other peoples can seek and defend their right to self-determination but Jews cannot,” declared US Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer in 2017, “is antisemitism.”

                            As David Harris, head of the American Jewish Committee, put it last year: “To deny the Jewish people, of all the peoples on earth, the right to self-determination surely is discriminatory.”

                            All the peoples on earth? The Kurds don’t have their own state. Neither do the Basques, Catalans, Scots, Kashmiris, Tibetans, Abkhazians, Ossetians, Lombards, Igbo, Oromo, Uyghurs, Tamils and Québécois, nor dozens of other peoples who have created nationalist movements to seek self-determination but failed to achieve it.


                            Yet barely anyone suggests that opposing a Kurdish or Catalan state makes you an anti-Kurdish or anti-Catalan bigot. It is widely recognised that states based on ethnic nationalism – states created to represent and protect one particular ethnic group – are not the only legitimate way to ensure public order and individual freedom. Sometimes it is better to foster civic nationalism, a nationalism built around borders rather than heritage: to make Spanish identity more inclusive of Catalans or Iraqi identity more inclusive of Kurds, rather than carving those multi-ethnic states up.

                            You’d think Jewish leaders would understand this. You’d think they would understand it because many of the same Jewish leaders who call national self-determination a universal right are quite comfortable denying it to Palestinians.

                            Argument number two is a variation on this theme. Maybe it is not bigoted to oppose a people’s quest for statehood. But it is bigoted to take away that statehood once achieved.

                            “It is one thing to argue, in the moot court of historical what-ifs, that Israel should not have come into being,” argued New York Times columnist Bret Stephens earlier this month. However, “Israel is now the home of nearly 9 million citizens, with an identity that is as distinctively and proudly Israeli as the Dutch are Dutch or the Danes Danish. Anti-Zionism proposes nothing less than the elimination of that identity and the political dispossession of those who cherish it.”

                            But it is not bigoted to try to turn a state based on ethnic nationalism into one based on civic nationalism, in which no ethnic group enjoys special privileges.

                            In the 19th century, Afrikaners created several countries designed to fulfil their quest for national self-determination, among them the Transvaal and the Orange Free State. Then, in 1909, those two Afrikaner states merged with two states dominated by English-speaking white people to become the Union of South Africa (later the Republic of South Africa), which offered a kind of national self-determination to white South Africans.

                            The problem, of course, was that the versions of self-determination upheld by the Transvaal, the Orange Free State and apartheid South Africa excluded millions of black people living within their borders.

                            This changed in 1994. By ending apartheid, South Africa replaced an Afrikaner ethnic nationalism and a white racial nationalism with a civic nationalism that encompassed people of all ethnicities and races. It inaugurated a constitution that guaranteed “the right of the South African people as a whole to self-determination”.

                            That wasn’t bigotry, but its opposite.

                            I don’t consider Israel an apartheid state. But its ethnic nationalism excludes many of the people under its control. Stephens notes that Israel contains almost 9 million citizens. What he doesn’t mention is that Israel also contains close to 5 million non-citizens: Palestinians who live under Israeli control in the West Bank and Gaza (yes, Israel still controls Gaza) without basic rights in the state that dominates their lives.

                            One reason Israel doesn’t give these Palestinians citizenship is because, as a Jewish state designed to protect and represent Jews, it wants to retain a Jewish majority, and giving 5 million Palestinians the vote would imperil that.

                            Even among Israel’s 9 million citizens, roughly 2 million – the so-called “Arab Israelis” – are Palestinian. Stephens says overturning Zionism would mean the “political dispossession” of Israelis. But, according to polls, most of Israel’s Palestinian citizens see it the opposite way. For them, Zionism represents a form of political dispossession. Because they live in a state that privileges Jews, they must endure an immigration policy that allows any Jew in the world to gain instant Israeli citizenship yet makes Palestinian immigration to Israel virtually impossible.

                            They live in a state whose national anthem speaks of the “Jewish soul”, whose flag features a Star of David and which, by tradition, excludes Israel’s Palestinian parties from its governing coalitions. A commission created in 2003 by the Israeli government itself described Israel’s “handling of the Arab sector” as “discriminatory”.

                            So long as Israel remains a Jewish state, no Palestinian citizen can credibly tell her son or daughter that they can become prime minister of the country in which they live. In these ways, Israel’s form of ethnic nationalism – Zionism – denies equality to the non-Jews who live under Israeli control.

                            My preferred solution would be for the West Bank and Gaza to become a Palestinian state, thus giving Palestinians in those territories citizenship in an ethnically nationalist (though hopefully democratic) country of their own.

                            I’d also try to make Israel’s ethnic nationalism more inclusive by, among other things, adding a stanza to Israel’s national anthem that acknowledges the aspirations of its Palestinian citizens.

                            But, in a post-Holocaust world where antisemitism remains frighteningly prevalent, I want Israel to remain a state with a special obligation to protect Jews.



                            * Above: During a speech in the Knesset by US vice-president Mike Pence, Israeli Arab lawmakers are ejected for protesting against the US decision to recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

                            To seek to replace Israel’s ethnic nationalism with civic nationalism, however, is not inherently bigoted. Last year, three Palestinian members of the Knesset introduced a bill to turn Israel from a Jewish state into a “state for all its citizens”. As one of those Knesset members, Jamal Zahalka, explained, “We do not deny Israel or its right to exist as a home for Jews. We are simply saying that we want to base the existence of the state not on the preference of Jews, but on the basics of equality … The state should exist in the framework of equality, and not in the framework of preference and superiority.”

                            One might object that it is hypocritical for Palestinians to try to repeal Jewish statehood inside Israel’s original boundaries while promoting Palestinian statehood in the West Bank and Gaza. One might also ask whether Zahalka’s vision of Jewish and Palestinian equality in a post-Zionist state is naive given that powerful Palestinian movements such as Hamas want not equality but Islamic domination.

                            These are reasonable criticisms. But are Zahalka and his colleagues – who face structural discrimination in a Jewish state – antisemites because they want to replace Zionism with a civic nationalism that promises equality to people of all ethnic and religious groups?

                            Of course not.

                            There is, finally, a third argument for why anti-Zionism equals antisemitism. It is that, as a practical matter, the two animosities simply go together. “Of course it’s theoretically possible to distinguish anti-Zionism from antisemitism, just as it’s theoretically possible to distinguish segregationism from racism,” writes Stephens. Just as virtually all segregationists are also racists, he suggests, virtually all anti-Zionists are also antisemites. You rarely find one without the other.

                            But that claim is empirically false. In the real world, anti-Zionism and antisemitism don’t always go together. It is easy to find antisemitism among people who, far from opposing Zionism, enthusiastically embrace it.

                            Before Israel’s creation, some of the world leaders who most ardently promoted Jewish statehood did so because they did not want Jews in their own countries. Before declaring, as foreign secretary in 1917, that Britain “view[s] with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people”, Arthur Balfour supported the 1905 Aliens Act, which restricted Jewish immigration to the United Kingdom.

                            And two years after his famous declaration, Balfour said Zionism would “mitigate the age-long miseries created for western civilisation by the presence in its midst of a Body [the Jews] which it too long regarded as alien and even hostile, but which it was equally unable to expel or to absorb”.

                            In the 1930s, the Polish government adopted a similar tack. Its ruling party, which excluded Jews, trained Zionist fighters on Polish military bases. Why? Because it wanted Polish Jews to emigrate. And a Jewish state would give them somewhere to go. You find echoes of this antisemitic Zionism among some rightwing American Christians who are far friendlier to the Jews of Israel than the Jews of the US. In 1980, Jerry Falwell, a close ally of Israel’s then prime minister, Menachem Begin, quipped that Jews “can make more money accidentally than you can on purpose”.

                            Israel’s current prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, in 2005 said, “we have no greater friend in the whole world than Pat Robertson” – the same Pat Robertson who later called former US air force judge Mikey Weinstein a “little Jewish radical” for promoting religious freedom in the American military.

                            After being criticised by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) in 2010 for calling George Soros a “puppet master” who “wants to bring America to her knees” and “reap obscene profits off us”, Glenn Beck travelled to Jerusalem to hold a pro-Israel rally.

                            More recently, Donald Trump – who told the Republican Jewish Coalition in 2015: “You’re not going to support me because I don’t want your money” – invited Dallas pastor Robert Jeffress, who has said Jews are going to hell for not accepting Jesus, to lead a prayer at the ceremony inaugurating the American embassy in Jerusalem.

                            In 2017, Richard Spencer, who leads crowds in Nazi salutes, called himself a “white Zionist” who sees Israel as a model for the white homeland he wants in the US.

                            Some of the European leaders who traffic most blatantly in antisemitism – Hungary’s Viktor Orbán, Heinz-Christian Strache of Austria’s far-right Freedom party and Beatrix von Storch of the Alternative for Germany, which promotes nostalgia for the Third Reich – publicly champion Zionism too.

                            If antisemitism exists without anti-Zionism, anti-Zionism also clearly exists without antisemitism. Consider the Satmar, the largest Hasidic sect in the world. In 2017, 20,000 Satmar men – a larger crowd than attended that year’s American Israel Public Affairs Committee policy conference – filled the Barclays Center in Brooklyn for a rally aimed at showing, in the words of one organiser: “We feel very strongly that there should not be and could not be a State of Israel before the Messiah comes.”

                            Last year, Satmar Rebbe Aaron Teitelbaum told thousands of followers: “We’ll continue to fight God’s war against Zionism and all its aspects.” Say what you want about Rebbe Teitelbaum and the Satmar, but they’re not antisemites.

                            Neither is Avrum Burg. Burg, the former speaker of the Knesset, in 2018 declared that settlement growth in the West Bank had rendered the two-state solution impossible. Thus, he argued, Israelis must “depart from the Zionist paradigm, and move into a more inclusive paradigm. Israel must belong to all of its residents, including Arabs, not to the Jews alone.”

                            Other Jewish Israeli progressives, including the former deputy mayor of Jerusalem Meron Benvenisti, the Haaretz columnist Gideon Levy and the activists of the Federation Movement, have followed a similar path.

                            Can one question their proposals? Of course. Are they antisemites? Of course not. To be sure, some anti-Zionists really are antisemites: David Duke, Louis Farrakhan and the authors of the 1988 Hamas Covenant certainly qualify. So do the thugs from France’s yellow vest movement who called Finkielkraut a “dirty Zionist shit”.

                            In some precincts, there’s a growing and reprehensible tendency to use the fact that many Jews are Zionists (or simply assumed to be Zionists) to bar them from progressive spaces. People who care about the moral health of the American left will be fighting this prejudice for years to come.

                            But while anti-Zionist antisemitism is likely to be on the rise, so is Zionist antisemitism. And, in the US, at least, it is not clear that anti-Zionists are any more likely to harbour antisemitic attitudes than people who support the Jewish state.

                            In 2016, the ADL gauged antisemitism by asking Americans whether they agreed with statements such as “Jews have too much power” and “Jews don’t care what happens to anyone but their own kind”. It found that antisemitism was highest among the elderly and poorly educated, saying: “The most well educated Americans are remarkably free of prejudicial views, while less educated Americans are more likely to hold antisemitic views. Age is also a strong predictor of antisemitic propensities. Younger Americans – under 39 – are also remarkably free of prejudicial views.”

                            In 2018, however, when the Pew Research Center surveyed Americans’ attitudes about Israel, it discovered the reverse pattern: Americans over the age of 65 – the very cohort that expressed the most antisemitism – also expressed the most sympathy for Israel. By contrast, Americans under 30, who according to the ADL harboured the least antisemitism, were least sympathetic to Israel.

                            It was the same with education. Americans who possessed a high school degree or less – the most antisemitic educational cohort – were the most pro-Israel. Americans with “postgraduate degrees” – the least antisemitic – were the least pro-Israel.



                            * Above: A rally in Paris against antisemitism in February 2019.

                            As statistical evidence goes, this is hardly airtight. But it confirms what anyone who listens to progressive and conservative political commentary can grasp: younger progressives are highly universalistic. They’re suspicious of any form of nationalism that seems exclusive. That universalism makes them suspicious of both Zionism and the white Christian nationalism that in the US sometimes shades into antisemitism.

                            By contrast, some older Trump supporters, who fear a homogenising globalism, admire Israel for preserving Jewish identity while yearning to preserve America’s Christian identity in ways that exclude Jews.

                            If antisemitism and anti-Zionism are both conceptually different and, in practice, often espoused by different people, why are politicians such as Macron responding to rising antisemitism by calling anti-Zionism a form of bigotry?

                            Because, in many countries, that’s what communal Jewish leaders want them to do.

                            It is an understandable impulse: let the people threatened by antisemitism define antisemitism. The problem is that, in many countries, Jewish leaders serve both as defenders of local Jewish interests and defenders of the Israeli government. And the Israeli government wants to define anti-Zionism as bigotry because doing so helps Israel kill the two-state solution with impunity.

                            For years, Barack Obama and John Kerry warned that if Israel continued the settlement growth in the West Bank that made a Palestinian state impossible, Palestinians would stop demanding a Palestinian state alongside Israel and instead demand one state between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, neither Jewish nor Palestinian, that replaces Israel.

                            Defining anti-Zionism as antisemitism reduces that threat. It means that if Palestinians and their supporters respond to the demise of the two-state solution by demanding one equal state, some of the world’s most powerful governments will declare them bigots.

                            Which leaves Israel free to entrench its own version of one state, which denies millions of Palestinians basic rights. Silencing Palestinians isn’t a particularly effective way to fight rising antisemitism, much of which comes from people who like neither Palestinians nor Jews. But, just as important, it undermines the moral basis of that fight.

                            Antisemitism isn’t wrong because it is wrong to denigrate and dehumanise Jews.

                            Antisemitism is wrong because it is wrong to denigrate and dehumanise anyone. Which means, ultimately, that any effort to fight antisemitism that contributes to the denigration and dehumanisation of Palestinians is no fight against antisemitism at all.

                            This article was originally published in The Forward -

                            Peter Beinart is associate professor of journalism and political science at the City University of New York, a contributing editor at the Atlantic and a senior columnist at Haaretz. His books include The Crisis of Zionism (2012)

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                              you guys fans of e micheal jones?

                              i used to listen to a lot of his work some years back

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                                - quite an apt quote - for this thread -



                                - 'Diversity is our Strength?' -
                                - Simon talks about this much used slogan - but does it hold any truth?

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoQyVRN7Q6s&t=209s
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