NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THIS - The Kalergi Plan.

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Said Congressperson has been sacked from all the Committees she was on. She said she didn't realise the effect her words would have in fostering insurrection.

There's an Aussie phrase: 'Come in Spinner' which relates to the gambling game "Two Up". The phrase is also used to gently annoy the gullible ...

So Gypsy: Come in Spinner ...

- Welcome to the thread - never heard of this Laser story - sounds a bit far-fetched old chap - can you tell us more?

- If you feel that all Jews are bad - then you are sadly mistaken - and 'rounding them up' is not going to serve any purpose - other than social unrest -

- What we are discussing here is a financial aristocracy of Zionist Jews - that were around over 100 years ago - and funded certain people and events that led to many innocent people - Jews and Christians and Muslims losing their lives - in wars and revolutions - in gulags and concentration camps -

- If you wish to add to the discussion with anything other than name-calling - it would be appreciated -

 

[Veggia farmer]

Y'know ... Solzenitzen had cancer while in the Gulag. A Suomi Medicine Man cured him. Without using any intellect at all!

Are you assuming that a Suomi Medince man dont you use intellect?

Isnt that racism and /or discriminating on the very finest essence?

CANCEL!

Next: some family kisses now

Much Love veggia

 

[Montuno]

- Ydy fy ffrind - Cymru - lle mae'r dynion eisiau annibyniaeth - a'r defaid yn nerfus - oh y fath gliche - ond yn ddoniol i gyd yr un peth -

- efallai mai'ch un chi oedd un o'r teuluoedd a aeth i Awstralia fel deg twristiaid quid - yn ôl yn y 60au? -

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- The Gower Peninsula - Wales - not far from Swansea -

Beatiful...

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- Well - someone else 'cancelled' - for criticising those that will not be criticized without some sorta media rollicking and drama - (who owns the media?) - If she was talking about the Jesuits - the Baptists - or the Amish instead - I wonder if she would forever have to wear a burkah in public - to hide her shame - as it looks like she might have to now - lol

- You can gently annoy me mate - 'cos I am generally a peaceful lov'in man - and don't get too riled up about nothing these days - if I can avoid it that is -

- We are having a bit of fun - and digging into a bit of history at the same time on this thread - always tricky to broach some topics these days - people get so bloody sensitive - then start weaponizing daft words - and chucking them about like confetti on occasion - for effect and/or attention more than anything it seems -

Said Congressperson has been sacked from all the Committees she was on. She said she didn't realise the effect her words would have in fostering insurrection.

There's an Aussie phrase: 'Come in Spinner' which relates to the gambling game "Two Up". The phrase is also used to gently annoy the gullible ...

So Gypsy: Come in Spinner ...

 

[Montuno]

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- If your land had been invaded - and under occupation by the English - officially since the early 1700's - and for hundreds of years of fighting them before that time - perhaps you and your people would like to have complete self-determination and independence as a nation? - rather than be attached to a conquering power for hundreds of years more - as many Scottish people want also - and probably will have before too long - I wouldn't be surprised - my Mother was from Wales - and she had a big family - that partly came originally from Ireland due to starvation in The Potato Famine - some 175 years ago or so - She gave me the name Glyndwr - when I was born -

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- The Flag of Owain Glyndwr -

Owain Glyndwr
Prince of Wales
Lord of Glyndyfrdwy and of Cynllaith Owain
Seal of Owain Glyndwr.png
Seal of Owain Glyndwr
Prince of Wales
Reign 1404 – c. 1415
Predecessor Owain Lawgoch
Hereditary Prince of Powys Fadog
Predecessor Gruffydd Fychan II
Successor Maredudd ab Owain Glyndwr
Born c.?1359
Died c. 1415 (aged 55–56)
Spouse Margaret Hanmer
Gruffudd ab Owain Glyndwr
Maredudd ab Owain Glyndwr
Alys ferch Owain Glyndwr
Catrin ferch Owain Glyndwr
Ieuan ab Owain Glyndwr
House Mathrafal
Father Gruffydd Fychan II
Mother Elen ferch Tomas ap Llywelyn
Owain ap Gruffydd, lord of Glyndyfrdwy (c. 1359 – c. 1415), or simply Owain Glynd?r or Glyn D?r (pronounced [?o?ain ?l??n?du?r], anglicised to Owen Glendower), was a Welsh leader who instigated a fierce and long-running yet ultimately unsuccessful war of independence with the aim of ending English rule in Wales during the Late Middle Ages. He was the last native Welshman to hold the title Prince of Wales (Welsh: Tywysog Cymru).

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Owain Glyndwr was a descendant of the Princes of Powys through his father Gruffudd Fychan II, hereditary Tywysog of Powys Fadog and Lord of Glyndyfrdwy.

- Through his mother Elen ferch Tomas ap Llywellyn he was a descendant of the Princes of Deheubarth, and through her he also claimed descent from Llywellyn the Great of the Gwynedd royal house of Aberffraw. On 16 September 1400, Glyndwr instigated the Welsh Revolt against the rule of Henry IV of England. The uprising was initially very successful and rapidly gained control of large areas of Wales, but it suffered from key weaknesses – particularly a lack of artillery, which made capturing defended fortresses difficult, and of ships, which made rebel-controlled coastlands vulnerable. The uprising was eventually suppressed by the superior resources of the English.

- Glyndwr was driven from his last remaining strongholds in 1409, but he avoided capture; the last documented sighting of him was in 1412. He twice ignored offers of a pardon from his military nemesis, the new king Henry V of England, and despite the large rewards offered, Glyndwr was never betrayed to the English. His death was recorded by a former follower in the year 1415. -

- With his death, Owain acquired a mythical status along with Cadwaladr, Cynan and Arthur as a folk hero awaiting the call to return and liberate his people. In William Shakespeare's play Henry IV, Part 1, the character of Owen Glendower is a wild and exotic king ruled by magic and emotion. In the late 19th century, the Cymru Fydd movement recreated him as the father of Welsh nationalism.-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owain_Glyndŵr

Let me recount... By 1700, no, by 1300 my original area (Kingdom of Tartessos, approx. before 2500 B.C.-500 BC), we had been invaded by: Carthage, Rome, Germanic Alans, Germanic Visigoths, Umayyad Caliphate of Damascus, Almoravid Emirate, Almohad Caliphate and Kingdom of Castile...

The famouse 8 points Tartessic Star

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- Some Scottish Jokes -

1. ''When Wee Hughie moved to London he constantly annoyed his English
acquaintances by boasting about how great Scotland was. Finally, in
exasperation, one said, "Well, if Scotland's so marvellous, how come you
didn't stay there?" "Well," explained Wee Hughie "they're all so clever up
there I had to come down here to have any chance of making it at all".

2. ''A Scots pessimist is a man who feels badly when he feels good for fear
he'll feel worse when he feels better.''

3. ''There are many theories about the bagpipes, otherwise known as the
missing link between music and noise. Some say they were invented by a
Scotsman who trod on his cat and liked the noise. Others claim that they
are based on the noise made by a dying octopus. The truth is, however,
that they were given to the Scots by the Irish as a joke - but the Scots
haven't seen the joke yet! ''

- and now some Welsh Jokes -

1. Dai is at the car boot sale when an American tourist comes by. Pointing to a skull on display in Dai's car, he says: “Whose skull is that?”

“That,” says Dai profoundly, “is the skull of Owain Glyndwr. It's yours for £10.”

“Incredible,” says the American. “I'll take it.”

Some weeks later, Dai is at the car boot sale when the same American walks past and notices a much smaller skull for sale.

“Whose skull it that?” asks the American.

“That,” says Dai in a practised voice, “is the skull of Owain Glyndwr.”

“Hang on,” says the American. “You sold me the skull of Owain Glyndwr a few weeks ago.”

“Aye,” says Dai. “This is when he was a boy.”

* - Ha! - the sly Welsh - naughty boys - lol

2. A Russian spy was dropped by parachute in the Welsh hills with instructions to contact a Mr Jones in the small village of Llanfair and give him the coded message: “The tulips are blooming well today.”

Arriving at the village he asked a small boy where Mr Jones lived and was directed to a small cottage.

He knocked on the door and the owner emerged: “Are you Mr Jones?”

“I am.”

“The tulips are blooming well today.”

Mr Jones stared at him in amazement then smiled: “Ah, you must have the wrong house.

“It's Jones the Spy you want.”

**many people called Mr Jones in Wales - most popular name -

*** All of us tribes/nationalities in the UK make jokes about each other - and we all understand its just funny banter - which we all enjoy - such diversity here already - without importing mainly the third world - 'cos then it starts to look like that - when its better if it looks like this -

Autumn at Llanrwst bridge in north Wales -

 

[Montuno]

Gypsy, what do you think of the theories that seem to be gaining a lot of strength in the UK, among geneticists, anthropologists and historians (such as S. Oppenheimer or the famous B. Sykes, the one who established the current theory of "7 founding Eves" of Europe) about the origin mainly in Northern Spain of Irish, Welsh and East English? Others include all Britons...

Their genetic studies certainly enjoy scientific prestige... But at first sight it seems much more logical that the Celtic culture arrived to your islands from the nearest continental areas through the English Channel, and not from the much more distant Spanish Cantabrian coast by Iberians with a strong Celtic cultural influence (or even with physical interbreeding with Celts)...
Because with the French from the French Basque area and Aquitaine, or with the French Iberians from the French western Mediterranean, it seems very logical... But such an important migration to surpass in so much the Anglo-Saxon genetic influence, crossing the Cantabrian Sea... However much (true fact) that from Galicia they sailed to the British Isles to trade copper and tin from the Bronze Age...
Maybe the part about the arrival from Galicia is just an ancestral legend of yours, and if there was a migration but going up the French Atlantic coast to Brittany?
I don't know... I don't see it so clear.

Beatifull landscapes, btw. Thax for show it.

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[Gypsy Nirvana]

- Well we are all some sorta Caucasian I expect - with a dose of Neanderthal - 2-3% or more maybe in our DNA profile - so Caucasian's must have originally come from the Caucasus mountain area - lets have a look what Wiki says about it -

The Caucasian race (also Caucasoid or Europid) is an outdated grouping of human beings historically regarded as a biological taxon which, depending on which of the historical race classifications is used, has usually included ancient and modern populations from all or parts of Europe, Western Asia, Central Asia, South Asia, North Africa, and the Horn of Africa.

First introduced in the 1780s by members of the Göttingen school of history, the term denoted one of three purported major races of humankind (Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid). In biological anthropology, Caucasoid has been used as an umbrella term for phenotypically similar groups from these different regions, with a focus on skeletal anatomy, and especially cranial morphology, without regard to skin tone. Ancient and modern "Caucasoid" populations were thus not exclusively "white", but ranged in complexion from white-skinned to dark brown.

Since the second half of the 20th century, physical anthropologists have moved away from a typological understanding of human biological diversity towards a genomic and population-based perspective, and have tended to understand race as a social classification of humans based on phenotype and ancestry as well as cultural factors, as the concept is also understood in the social sciences. In the United States, the root term Caucasian has also often been used as a synonym for white or of European, Middle Eastern, or North African ancestry. Its usage in American English has been criticized.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_of_the_Caucasus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race



* so to populate these isles - people probably originated in the Caucuses area - and migrated west - often perhaps passing thru Spain on the way? - or maybe easier just to take a boat from the French coast - tribes settled all over mainland Europe - and many then moved on to The British Isles - at one time we had loads of Vikings coming over here raping and pillaging - killing - mugging and robbing the local people - now it looks like we have a new mass-imported and invasive - Viking like problem with these sort of crimes increasing rapidly due to all of the 'diversity is our strength' mob - bringing so many from caustic regimes-religions and cultures - with their own laws and 'morals' to impose on the locals - 'Breaching the Peace' -

Dagestan Muslim girls in traditional costumes North Caucasus culture -

Gypsy, what do you think of the theories that seem to be gaining a lot of strength in the UK, among geneticists, anthropologists and historians (such as S. Oppenheimer or the famous B. Sykes, the one who established the current theory of "7 founding Eves" of Europe) about the origin mainly in Northern Spain of Irish, Welsh and East English? Others include all Britons...

Their genetic studies certainly enjoy scientific prestige... But at first sight it seems much more logical that the Celtic culture arrived to your islands from the nearest continental areas through the English Channel, and not from the much more distant Spanish Cantabrian coast by Iberians with a strong Celtic cultural influence (or even with physical interbreeding with Celts)...
Because with the French from the French Basque area and Aquitaine, or with the French Iberians from the French western Mediterranean, it seems very logical... But such an important migration to surpass in so much the Anglo-Saxon genetic influence, crossing the Cantabrian Sea... However much (true fact) that from Galicia they sailed to the British Isles to trade copper and tin from the Bronze Age...
Maybe the part about the arrival from Galicia is just an ancestral legend of yours, and if there was a migration but going up the French Atlantic coast to Brittany?
I don't know... I don't see it so clear.

Beatifull landscapes, btw. Thax for show it.

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[Montuno]

Gypsy, what do you think of the theories that seem to be gaining a lot of strength in the UK, among geneticists, anthropologists and historians (such as S. Oppenheimer or the famous B. Sykes, the one who established the current theory of "7 founding Eves" of Europe) about the origin mainly in Northern Spain of Irish, Welsh and East English? Others include all Britons...

Their genetic studies certainly enjoy scientific prestige... But at first sight it seems much more logical that the Celtic culture arrived to your islands from the nearest continental areas through the English Channel, and not from the much more distant Spanish Cantabrian coast by Iberians with a strong Celtic cultural influence (or even with physical interbreeding with Celts)...
Because with the French from the French Basque area and Aquitaine, or with the French Iberians from the French western Mediterranean, it seems very logical... But such an important migration to surpass in so much the Anglo-Saxon genetic influence, crossing the Cantabrian Sea... However much (true fact) that from Galicia they sailed to the British Isles to trade copper and tin from the Bronze Age...
Maybe the part about the arrival from Galicia is just an ancestral legend of yours, and if there was a migration but going up the French Atlantic coast to Brittany?
I don't know... I don't see it so clear.

Beatifull landscapes, btw. Thax for show it.

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Gypsy, confirm to me that trade and migration was real, from Galicia and Asturias directly, from approx 2800 BC (just before or with the beginning of the construction of Stonehenge there.
They were traders from here or/and their intermediaries from North-Eastern Iberia (from the 'Archaic Age' of the Kingdom of Tartessos), who established the so-called "Western Tin Route": Tartessos traded manofacts, copper, and bronze, for the British tin they lacked, and with which they made the bronze with which (apart from copper, earlier) they traded in turn with the Egyptians (from probably before the Ancient Egyptian Empire! Tartessos would have been the West Mediterranean comercial power of the time ).

Hence the Irish legend of Golam aka Mil Espaine aka Hispanic Warrior, and Ith,
and how the 8 sons of one together with the 9 sons of the other, invade, conquer, and re-found Ireland, in response to the murder of their uncle Ith by the inhabitants of Ireland at the time, during a previous trading expedition...

Curious, at least...

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Fechas aprox.
TARTESSOS Y ZONA DE INFLUENCIA
MEDITERRANEO Y ENTORNO
-3400

Cultura de los Millares en Almeria. Protourbanismo. Invención de la rueda en Mesopotamia
-3000

Sedentarización y aparicion de la Agricultura en Europa .Se halla desarrolada en Europa la metalurgia del cobre, la cerámica y ciudades amuralladas. Fundacion de los reinos del Alto y Bajo Egipto. Los sumerios en Mesopotamia inventan la escritura cuneiforme
-2900

Stonehenge: primera fase (2850-2100).
-2800

Ruta del estaño entre el Noratlántico y el Mediterraneo occidental ya establecida. Aparece el cultivo de la vid en Andalucia. Civilización del vaso campaniforme El rey asirio Sargón hace referencia al comercio con Andalucía
-2700

Al parecer las construcciones megalíticas comienzan y se irradian a partir del Sur de Portugal. Construcciones en ladrillo en Egipto. Antiguo Imperio Egipcio. Zigurat de Ur
-2600

Antiguo periodo Minoico (Creta) en el mar Egeo. Edad del Bronce en el Egeo. Jeroglíficos en Egipto
-2500

El pretartesio rey Gerión lucha con el griego Hércules y norteafricano Alkides. Comienzo de la Edad del cobre en Europa Occidental Reinado en Egipto del faraón Keops (Khufu) y construcción de su pirámide. Desarrollo del calendario y la navegación de altura en Egipto.
-2200

Empieza la cerámica campaniforme. Caballo enganchado a carro
-2100

Imperio Medio y unificación de Egipto. Comienza la Edad del Bronce en Europa central y del Norte
-2000

Emigración de la mitológica princesa Europa desde Occidente a las islas griegas. Los ligures (sikanos) llegan a Sicilia. Llegada de indoeuropeos a Grecia continental. Primeros palacios en Creta. Invención del vidrio y desarrollo de las matemáticas y de la astronomía en Mesopotamia. Desertización acelerada del Sahara. Stonehenge: segunda fase, (2100-1860)
-1900

Transición del Calcolítico al Bronce Antiguo. Desarrollo de la cultura de los cereales en la Europa Céltica. Implantación de los Hititas en Mesopotamia
-1800

Cultura del Argar ciclópea en Almería. Se extiende por Andalucía toman do como eje el valle del Guadalquivir y comercia con N. Africa (huevos de avestruz). Primera utilización del bronce propiamente dicho Imperio asirio antiguo. Migración de los Jonios y Eolios en el mar Egeo. Cultura campaniforme?
-1700

Cultura del Argar. Enterramientos individuales, en grandes vasos enterrados. Especialización en el trabajo y aparición de grupos sociales controlados por príncipes o jefes militares. Reino de Hammurabi en Mesopotamia. Aparición de la escritura silábica en el mar Egeo. Reyes Hyksos en Egipto.
-1600

Periodo del Bronce Pleno Periodo Helénico reciente (Aparece la civilización Micénica antiguo). Comienzo de la edad del bronce en el oeste de Europa. Stonehenge
-1500

Final de la cultura ciclópea en Andalucia..Los cananeos traen la escritura a Andalucia. Final de la cultura de Creta (explosión de la isla Sartorin, Thera. Templo de Karnak en Egipto. Establecimiento de las tribus israelitas. Los Italiotas penetran en la península italiana.Inicio de la cultura Talayótica en Baleares bajo influencias de Córcega.
-1400

Guerra de Troya. Parten ¿desde occidente? flotas de los Pueblos del Mar para un asalto a Egipto . Invasiones protoceltas en España Reino de Akhenaton en Egipto. Templo de Luxor. Imperio Medio Asirio. Nuevo Imperio Hitita. Expansión del comercio micénico por el mediterrane oriental y central (1400-1200).
-1300

Segunda invasión de las flotas de los Pueblos del Mar a Egipto. Navíos de Guerra especializados Reino de Sethi y Ramsès en Egipto. Templo de Abu Si mbel. Los hebreos salen de Egipto. Destrucción de Troya por los Griegos. Migración Egea de los Dorios y Aqueos. Edad del hierro en Grecia

https://personal.us.es/fcojose/cronologiacomparada.htm

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Gypsy, confirm to me that trade and migration was real, from Galicia and Asturias directly, from approx 2800 BC (just before or with the beginning of the construction of Stonehenge there.

0K Montuno - I'm sending Marty Mc Fly - to go back to the past - and do some checking for us - told him to stop by prehistoric Britain - and tell us if he see's any Bantu's - or Pygmies - or Eskimo's - Vikings - or Spaniards even - he's got a camera - so we all have our fingers crossed that things will work out just fine - and we get to see what he see's - when he returns - and goes 'Back To The Future!' - I'll dial 2800BC into it first - any month preferred?

- As long as we don't have a problem with the Flux Capacitor - things should go well - then we should have some 2,800 BC info on what sort of Humans/Apes/Goats and Wombles we had on Salisbury Plain back then -

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- While Mc Fly is off on a mission - I'll get back to the more serious and difficult work of trying to argue the point/opinion/hypothesis/theory in the main text of the Coudenhove - Kalergi Plan -

''The rotting corporate owned mainstream media won’t investigate any such claims with an unbiased evidence based approach of course. Slurs of ‘anti Semitism’ are thrown at anyone trying to rationally and fairly criticise and debate issues to do with Zionist/supremacist related extremism. The ‘Friends of Israel’ lobbying groups in Europe and AIPAC and the Anti Defamation League in the USA and elsewhere are well versed in conducting trial by media witch hunts against anyone not reading from the script, shutting down free speech and essential public scrutiny and attempting to emotionally blackmail everyone in the process. Which is why most people have stopped listening to the mainstream media and its increasingly desperate attempts at criminal mass propaganda, deflection, spin and lies.''

''Going back to the subject at hand, this mass enforced immigration plan is incitement to genocide as defined by the United Nations even though the UN themselves as well as the EU have been proponents of exactly this kind of mass movement of people in to Europe under the ominous title of ‘Replacement Migration’. Such an idea goes against all notions of equality and the celebration of diversity. Such a plan is a deliberate attack on the very notion of diversity – a “Mein Kampf” in reverse. Ethnocidal based European unification and the union of other Orwellian world regions would likely be the first steps in creating an eventual world government, potentially under the UN or a similar unelected global body.''

https://sovereignwales.com/2016/09/...the-indigenous-nations-and-peoples-of-europe/

* Then - a couple of days ago I see this alarming claim - on a meme - with links that you can check its accuracy thru - so it says -

- Well - I have not yet checked it out just yet - kinda scares me to even attempt it (eeekk!) - and so leave it for you guys to de-bunk - if that's at all possible - then we can see if it is truth - or lies - and if it is truth - that kinda confirms that 'The Tribe' otherwise known as -'The Chosen People' - has been involved in mass - forced - human displacement - possibly for political and financial gains - for many hundreds of years - in fact within Judaism slavery is allowed - even today - the same as it is in Islam - and fundamentalist Christianity too (so I have heard) - All major Abrahamic religions allow and even encourage slavery - even today - (on the low down) - for it is written in The Qu'ran - The Torah and The Bible - (someone tell me I'm wrong - please -)

* again - truth or lies? - see if you can find out - I'd rather it be lies - but perhaps I will have to face an uncomfortable truth?

 

[Montuno]

And what about the Jesuits!
Those perfidious dogs that as soon clamour for the Spanish invasion of Brazil to protect the Guaranies from the Portuguese, as they ally with Kalergi and Freemasonry to exterminate the white and Christian essence of Europe, as with Hitler to exterminate the Jews and Marxists... As they go on to ally with and control the Mossad, CIA, FBI, MI5 and 6... (Not the DEA?) It must be because of the cognitive dissonance caused by the weed they brought from Paraguay...

Well, let's count them up:
The Kalergi, the Masons, the leftists & marxist&bolchevikes, the Muslims, the blacks, the Jews, the Jesuits (not Opus Dei?) and the Catholics under their Black Pope, the intelligence services of Israel, the USA and the UK... What a great party all together... As the song says, in the house "there's no bed for so many people"...


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz85AhWSwz8

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- Well we are all some sorta Caucasian I expect - with a dose of Neanderthal - 2-3% or more maybe in our DNA profile - so Caucasian's must have originally come from the Caucasush mountain area - lets have a look what Wiki says about it -

The Caucasian race (also Caucasoid or Europid) is an outdated grouping of human beings historically regarded as a biological taxon which, depending on which of the historical race classifications is used, has usually included ancient and modern populations from all or parts of Europe, Western Asia, Central Asia, South Asia, North Africa, and the Horn of Africa.

First introduced in the 1780s by members of the Göttingen school of history, the term denoted one of three purported major races of humankind (Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid). In biological anthropology, Caucasoid has been used as an umbrella term for phenotypically similar groups from these different regions, with a focus on skeletal anatomy, and especially cranial morphology, without regard to skin tone. Ancient and modern "Caucasoid" populations were thus not exclusively "white", but ranged in complexion from white-skinned to dark brown.

Since the second half of the 20th century, physical anthropologists have moved away from a typological understanding of human biological diversity towards a genomic and population-based perspective, and have tended to understand race as a social classification of humans based on phenotype and ancestry as well as cultural factors, as the concept is also understood in the social sciences. In the United States, the root term Caucasian has also often been used as a synonym for white or of European, Middle Eastern, or North African ancestry. Its usage in American English has been criticized.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_of_the_Caucasus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race



* so to populate these isles - people probably originated in the Caucuses area - and migrated west - often perhaps passing thru Spain on the way? - or maybe easier just to take a boat from the French coast - tribes settled all over mainland Europe - and many then moved on to The British Isles - at one time we had loads of Vikings coming over here raping and pillaging - killing - mugging and robbing the local people - now it looks like we have a new mass-imported and invasive - Viking like problem with these sort of crimes increasing rapidly due to all of the 'diversity is our strength' mob - bringing so many from caustic regimes-religions and cultures - with their own laws and 'morals' to impose on the locals - 'Breaching the Peace' -

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Dagestan Muslim girls in traditional costumes North Caucasus culture -


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I forgot about the vikins...

The popularity of these islands may be due to the climate & food...

I'm a viking:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dwMCxuKS6HE

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[Montuno]

H

- While Mc Fly is off on a mission - I'll get back to the more serious and difficult work of trying to argue the point/opinion/hypothesis/theory in the main text of the Coudenhove - Kalergi Plan -

''The rotting corporate owned mainstream media won’t investigate any such claims with an unbiased evidence based approach of course. Slurs of ‘anti Semitism’ are thrown at anyone trying to rationally and fairly criticise and debate issues to do with Zionist/supremacist related extremism. The ‘Friends of Israel’ lobbying groups in Europe and AIPAC and the Anti Defamation League in the USA and elsewhere are well versed in conducting trial by media witch hunts against anyone not reading from the script, shutting down free speech and essential public scrutiny and attempting to emotionally blackmail everyone in the process. Which is why most people have stopped listening to the mainstream media and its increasingly desperate attempts at criminal mass propaganda, deflection, spin and lies.''

''Going back to the subject at hand, this mass enforced immigration plan is incitement to genocide as defined by the United Nations even though the UN themselves as well as the EU have been proponents of exactly this kind of mass movement of people in to Europe under the ominous title of ‘Replacement Migration’. Such an idea goes against all notions of equality and the celebration of diversity. Such a plan is a deliberate attack on the very notion of diversity – a “Mein Kampf” in reverse. Ethnocidal based European unification and the union of other Orwellian world regions would likely be the first steps in creating an eventual world government, potentially under the UN or a similar unelected global body.''

https://sovereignwales.com/2016/09/...the-indigenous-nations-and-peoples-of-europe/

* Then - a couple of days ago I see this alarming claim - on a meme - with links that you can check its accuracy thru - so it says -

- Well - I have not yet checked it out just yet - kinda scares me to even attempt it (eeekk!) - and so leave it for you guys to de-bunk - if that's at all possible - then we can see if it is truth - or lies - and if it is truth - that kinda confirms that 'The Tribe' otherwise known as -'The Chosen People' - has been involved in mass - forced - human displacement - possibly for political and financial gains - for many hundreds of years - in fact within Judaism slavery is allowed - even today - the same as it is in Islam - and fundamentalist Christianity too (so I have heard) - All major Abrahamic religions allow and even encourage slavery - even today - (on the low down) - for it is written in The Qu'ran - The Talmud and The Bible - (someone tell me I'm wrong - please -)

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- and another interpretation on the same meme -

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* again - truth or lies? - see if you can find out - I'd rather it be lies - but perhaps I will have to face an uncomfortable truth?

...& the other 22%, between Vikings, Muslims, & Jesuits....

 

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...& the other 22%, between Vikings, Muslims, & Jesuits....

- ya - maybe - lol - well I did finally get up the courage to have a look at this link - : https://hillel.org/docs/default-source/historical/american-jewish-year-book-(1920-1921).pdf?sfvrfn=2

* where I found it confusing because on page 385 it says nothing about slavery at all -

- and the other link - https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-population-in-the-united-states-nationally

** - and at this link - it just gives me statistics on Jewish populations - so I am none the wiser - maybe its just some propaganda then? - from 'the other side' - lol

*** Interesting read on a pro-jewish site debunking the claim that Jews were disproportionately involved in the African slave trade - although they were somewhat involved - https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jews-and-the-african-slave-trade/

 

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...Pero, para malos malisimos malos...los Romanos...

...But, for bad bad bad... the Romans...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WOUOrahWH7Y&list=PLsqRxbvbprKzm_xbwv6yefQM0WyIwdbmt&index=19

 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X6SC2ZZvIA&list=RDCMUCREM9VRZnIJHTw-oqfwgNUQ&start_radio=1

- Simon talks about the fact that - Nobody knows how many people live in Britain; a look at migration data -

 

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HALF-TRUTHS AND HISTORY: THE DEBATE OVER JEWS AND SLAVERY

By David MillsOctober 17, 1993

A SMALL storm has been swirling -- in the media, in academia, but mostly in the frictional world of ethnocentric politics -- around the involvement of Jews in the African slave trade. It has been a tempest of hot rhetoric, factual confusion and moral recrimination. It has revealed the willingness of some black public figures -- Louis Farrakhan and Leonard Jeffries in particular -- to use historical caricature as a blunt instrument in their political battles with present-day Jews. It has also revealed the historical ignorance of some well-respected critics of black antisemitism. The passions driving the debate on both sides have thwarted any calm understanding of the past.

The controversy kicked up two years ago when Jeffries, an Afrocentric faculty member at the City College of New York, made a notorious speech in Albany, N.Y., cataloging the supposed crimes of Jews against black people. One of the things he said was, "Everyone knows rich Jews helped finance the slave trade." Some commentators treated this not as demagogic simplification, but as a flat-out historical lie.

In late 1991, Farrakhan's Nation of Islam published "The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews," quoting from the extensive research of Jewish historians to indict, in effect, today's Jews for everything from the ownership of South American sugar plantations three centuries ago to Jewish participation in the Confederate war effort. When a black professor at Wellesley College assigned the book to his introductory African-American history class, Jewish students protested and four national Jewish groups recommended the professor's job status be reviewed. Both the Simon Wiesenthal Center and the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith have published rebuttals comparing "The Secret Relationship" to the most infamous works of antisemitic propaganda in the 20th century.

Some observers acknowledge that certain communities of Jews participated directly in black slavery -- but in far smaller numbers than non-Jews among the Portuguese, Dutch, English and French, than Arabs, or than Africans themselves. To focus on the role of Jews, they say, is gratuitous at best, antisemitic at worst. But to a few critics, even mentioning Jews and the slave trade is hateful and bigoted. Jews were not significantly involved, they claim -- contrary to the scholarly record, much of it compiled by historians who are Jewish.

"There wouldn't have been any slave trade at all," syndicated columnist Nat Hentoff told me, "if it had not been for the middlemen, the chiefs of certain African tribes, who had captured people from other tribes and enslaved them. It's important to say Africans have sold Africans. It's important to know that."

It is indeed important to understand all aspects of the history of slavery. For African-American people seeking to understand their place in the world, the history of slavery is as important as the history of the Holocaust for Jews. No element of a great tragedy is too small to be explored, particularly if it has been generally ignored.

Isn't it also important, I asked Hentoff, to know that Jews bought and sold Africans?

"If it's indeed the case, of course," Hentoff said, acknowledging that he is not a scholar on the subject. "If you can nail that down, of course it would be important to know that."

Most Americans, used to imagining slavery in terms of cotton fields and the Old South, don't realize that the transatlantic slave trade sent Africans primarily to South America and the islands of the West Indies. According to one well-regarded census, 9.6 million Africans arrived alive in the so-called "New World" from the 16th century through the 19th century. Of these, less than 5 percent, 427,000, were brought to what is now the United States. Nearly 4 million went to Brazil, the largest single devourer of African labor. There, the average life span of a slave was a few years.

Most Americans don't realize either that the transatlantic slave trade was driven by the sugar trade. Sugar cane was a scarce medicinal plant in medieval Europe. But when white colonizers started cultivating sugar in the fertile tropics of the Americas, it rapidly became a staple -- and a great source of wealth for Europe's shipping and trading powers. This New World economy of sugar and slaves -- of vast, labor-intensive plantations -- began in earnest in Brazil during the 1500s, according to historians. The involvement of Jews in black slavery began there also.

* Brazil. The Portuguese were the first to colonize Brazil, and Sephardic Jews from Portugal were among these early settlers. "In its early years," writes Seymour B. Liebman in "New World Jewry, 1493-1825," "Brazil was built by Negro slaves (400,000 between 1570 and 1670) and the acumen, hard work and calculating perseverance of the Jews."

Some background is essential. The Sephardim -- that is, the Jews of Spain and Portugal -- had flourished for centuries in the Iberian peninsula. By 1497, they made up an estimated 20 percent of Portugal's population of 1 million. But that year, the king of Portugal compelled the Jews to convert to Christianity. (Spain had similarly forced its Jews to convert or flee five years earlier.) While many Jews left Portugal, others indeed were baptized and became "New Christians." Despite the church's persecution, some continued to practice Judaism in secret; they came to be known as "Marranos."

New Christians were drawn to Brazil, in part because it was far from the seat of the Inquisition, but also because the South American colony was a place where the Sephardim could apply their established expertise in trade and sugar cultivation. Soon a Sephardic community thrived in Brazil's pivotal port city of Recife. When the Dutch -- then unique in Europe for their religious tolerance -- took control of Brazil in 1630, the Marranos there were able to practice Judaism openly again.

During this time in Brazil, Jews owned a small percentage of the sugar plantations but were the predominant retailers of slaves in the colony, according to Arnold Wiznitzer's "Jews in Colonial Brazil." The shipping of Africans to Brazil was monopolized by the Dutch West India Company, which sold them "at public auctions against cash payment," Wiznitzer writes. "The buyers who appeared at the auctions were almost always Jews." These brokers then sold slaves to plantation owners on credit. More than 23,000 Africans were shipped to Brazil between 1636 to 1645, Wiznitzer says, a period when perhaps half of the 3,000 white civilians living there were Jews.

* The British and French West Indies. In 1654, the Portuguese recaptured Brazil, chasing the Dutch and the Sephardim out -- an event that would affect the destiny of Jews and Africans in the New World.

While many of Brazil's Jews headed for the freedom of the Netherlands, some Sephardic traders were "eager to remain in the West Indies," according to a history of colonial Jewry by Jacob Rader Marcus, longtime director of the American Jewish Archives. Some "fled to French Martinique and Guadeloupe, others to Jamaica and to English Barbados, where they furthered the sugar industry and the Negro slave economy which it created," Marcus writes.

The Jewish refugees from Brazil, as University of Kansas economic historian Richard B. Sheridan has pointed out, "were masters of sugar technology and taught the English the art of sugar making." The sugar colonies of Barbados and Jamaica grew to become jewels of the British empire during the 1700s. An estimated 1.1 million Africans were shipped to these islands over the entire course of the slave trade.

The Jewish traders were not the main beneficiaries of this economic boom, however. One British historian notes: "Most Jews in Barbados and Jamaica in the 18th century were small men, shopkeepers . . . . The sugar trade became increasingly concentrated in the hands of the sugar-planters' agents in London, a restricted and confined circle. {Jews} did not participate." The role of Jewish traders was apparently limited, during the early 1700s, to the sale of "great numbers of 'refuse' Negroes (sickly slaves)," according to Stephen Alexander Fortune's "Merchants and Jews: The Struggle for British West Indian Commerce, 1650-1750." These Africans, bought cheaply, were resold "at considerable profit" once healthy.

The role of Jewish merchants in the slave economy of Martinique and Guadeloupe was eventually restricted as well. Initially, "the Sephardi emigres from Brazil . . . engage{d} both in plantation agriculture and trade, exporting sugar and tobacco to Europe and importing slaves and cloth," according to Jonathan Israel's history, "European Jewry in the Age of Mercantilism, 1550-1750." The Catholic French, however, ordered the expulsion of all Jews from these islands in 1685, thus virtually ending their role in the trade.

* The Dutch Colonies. The Jewish and Dutch refugees from Brazil also landed in Suriname in the late 17th century, establishing it as a sugar colony. This small piece of South America, as Harvard University historian Eugene Genovese has noted, would be the one and only place where Jews constituted a substantial planter class. Genovese cited one scholar's finding that 115 of Suriname's 400 sugar estates in 1730 were owned by Jews.

The island of Curac ao, a pivotal Dutch distribution center off the coast of Venezuela, was the site of the largest Jewish settlement in the New World. The Sephardic community there numbered almost 2,000 by the mid-1700s, constituting about half of the white population. Curac ao's Jews "prospered early through shipping and slave-trading," writes David Lowenthal in "West Indian Societies." Isaac S. and Suzanne A. Emmanuel, historians of Curac aoan Jewry, report that "{a}lmost every Jew bought from one to nine slaves for his personal use or for eventual resale." Later, Curac aoan Jews became, as Stephen Fortune writes, "the predominant insurance underwriters for ships plying the Caribbean" -- including slave ships.

Under the auspices of the Dutch, Sephardic Jews also had a direct hand in wholesale slaving. As Arnold Wiznitzer has pointed out, Jews in Amsterdam owned as much as 10 percent of the stock in the Dutch West India Company, the great slave-shipping enterprise that helped launch the Netherlands to international commercial prominence during the 1600s. But the French and English monopoly trading companies, which eventually dominated the shipping of Africans to New World colonies, excluded Jews from that level of the trade.

* Colonial North America. The far-flung Sephardic "trade diaspora" in the Caribbean led ultimately to the founding of Jewish communities in North America. Before the Revolutionary War, the largest settlement of Jews in the colonies -- perhaps as many as 1,000 by 1760 -- was in the bustling port city of Newport, R.I. Aaron Lopez, formerly a Marrano in Portugal, laid the first cornerstone of the Newport congregation's synagogue in 1759. (The building is now a historic site, the oldest synagogue in the United States.) Lopez later became a shipper of legendary prosperity. Black slaves were among his cargoes, as his biographer, Stanley F. Chyet, has noted.

Gentiles, however, overwhelmingly controlled the slaving business in colonial America. Rhode Island's Sephardic merchant-shippers were known mainly for their prominence in the business of selling oil from sperm whales used in candlemaking. So the real history of the participation of Jewish merchants in the slave trade is a lot more complex than Leonard Jeffries suggested with his line, "Everyone knows rich Jews helped finance the slave trade." Jeffries is clearly misusing historical facts to serve his animus against Jews today.

At the same time, a number of Jeffries' harsh critics have assumed that Jews had nothing to do with black slavery, or next to nothing. They said so publicly, and without qualification, during the Jeffries controversy.

Jonathan Yardley wrote in The Washington Post that Jeffries, on this point, had "turned history upside down." When I asked him what part Jews did have in trafficking Africans, Yardley (a self-described WASP) didn't know but said it would have been "relatively minor."

A.M. Rosenthal of the New York Times wrote that Jeffries "says in a public forum that the Jews financed the slave trade. That is not quite the equivalent of {the accusation} Christ-killer, but coming close, make no mistake." I asked Rosenthal too what actual role Jews played in black slavery. "There was none," he replied. "Except for the most peripheral way. If at all."

Jim Sleeper of the New York Daily News said he talked to four scholars before concluding, as he wrote in a critique of Jeffries for the Nation, that Jews merely had a "marginal" involvement in the slave trade.

How about in Brazil? I asked him.

"They would have had an extremely marginal, extremely minor role," Sleeper told me. Did Jews own sugar plantations? "I don't know." Sleeper finally acknowledged, "I don't know anything about Brazil."

Why are so many people ignorant of such a well-documented point of history? One reason is that popular histories of New World slavery tend to omit any mention of Sephardic Jews while cataloging the activities of many other ethnic communities. In "The Rise and Fall of Black Slavery," C. Duncan Rice mentions the "Dutch refugees" who established the sugar industry in Barbados, and the "planters of Dutch Surinam" who, "with characteristic Flemish practicality," started up a sugar colony with a full force of black slaves. But he does not mention the Portuguese Jews among these Dutch. James A. Rawley's "The Transatlantic Slave Trade" has not a single mention over the course of 452 pages of the involvement of Sephardic Jews.

The holes in the popular record have led to misunderstanding. In a 1991 article in the Jewish monthly Midstream, headlined "An Old/New Libel: Jews in the Slave Trade," historian Saul Friedman noted that "Jews are remarkably absent from major texts" on New World slavery and cited seven history books by name. For Friedman, this constitutes proof that the role of Jews was negligible. Actually, he merely demonstrates the inadequacies of such "major texts."

It is necessary to consider this vacuum of common knowledge when analyzing how some blacks are trying to make political hay out of this complex history. If the popular record weren't incomplete -- that is, if everyone already knew that Sephardic merchants and planters had played a small but significant role in the New World slave trade -- there would be no "secret" relationship for Leonard Jeffries and Louis Farrakhan to exploit.

David Mills is a reporter for the Washington Post Style section.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...slavery/6b2b2453-01da-4429-bd50-beff03741418/

 

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We can at least agree on the horse to water, although I reckon it's you that needs a drink.

I am not sure if that book would give any insight into the Kalergi plan, or anything discussed here. I am a bit of a lefty, but am certainly not a Communist, nor would I make excuses for the appalling events post revolution. I am certainly against Fascism, but that doesn't equate to pro Communism. In fact I don't think either system can solve the worlds problems, as they are both based on increased consumption (but that's another story).

Anyway I will try and leave it here.

Another one?!? But if he only drink welsh whiskey, because of the fluids...(How good Kubrick)...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY

 

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As you see by yourself (!), the last meme you posted was false too..

Very interesting. But please, better use the terms "Sefardí", 'Sefardita", or " Sephardic ", or 'Hispanic-Jew", cos " Marrano" is so, so despective.

But yes, although by simple demographic mathematics it was impossible, you had no qualms about publishing the meme-pamphlet, as you have done with a lot of previous rubbish...

 

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- As we look deeper into certain claims - some look false - and some look like they have more truth in them than others - you may find yourself within a historical matrix of sorts - with different - carefully crafted and created narratives that serve some agenda or another - its up to us to try and discern the truth - from what could be just smoke and mirrors - within the - The Twilight Zone! -