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    - Not many people I have ever spoken with are aware that Lenin and Stalin were responsible for possibly 10x the human deaths/murders that were attributed to Hitler -

    - In history lessons at the English school I attended back in the 1970's not much emphasis was put on teaching about the Bolshevik/Communist revolutions and subsequent Holodomors in Russia - where tens of millions of innocent people were sent to and exterminated via the Gulag system - but much emphasis was put on teaching us all about The Holocaust in Germany - so much so that I even learned the names of several Nazi concentration camps - but never learned the name of even one Gulag in soviet Russia - only after I left school at 15 years old with an enquiring mind did I learn about all of the Russian atrocities during the 3 Holodomors - particularly after reading 'Gulag Archipelago' - in my 20's -

    - You seem to have some problem with how the British reacted to The Spanish Revolution back in the 1930's - where the British government at the time proclaimed neutrality - and its foreign policy was to prevent a major war by appeasement of Italy and Germany - British leaders believed that the Spanish Republican government was the puppet of extreme-left socialists and communists - well that's the official historical reason - perhaps there is another more true reason - that I have yet to discover?

    - Churchill and his wealthy Zionist financial backers wanted WW2 to happen - it would be worth a fortune to the 'elites' who controlled the power and industries - and so the war went on consuming vast resources - and earning those that supplied it vast fortunes over 5 years or so - they didn't want peace at all - until Hitler was completely crushed -

    - Hitler tried to make peace with Britain on many occasions before and since the start of WW2 - even to the point of getting Rudolph Hess into Britain (Scotland) to try and make peace with the British in person as a high ranking member of the Nazi's - each request for peace with the British was turned down -

    On 10 May 1941 - Adolf Hitler's deputy Rudolf Hess parachuted into Scotland, landing in a field near Eaglesham - The prominent Nazi had flown solo for nearly 1,000 miles from Bavaria in a Messerschmitt Bf 110, apparently on a peace mission in the days leading up to Germany's invasion of Russia -

    - Britain didn't ally with Russia to save itself from the Germans - it allied itself with Russia to crush the Nazi's - who couldn't even make air superiority over England to allow any invasion - though they tried -

    - The Nazi's invasion hopes were beaten back by The Royal Airforce during The Battle of Britain - and the fact that England had the first RADAR system to detect when German planes would be over England helped win that battle - failing to get air superiority over England dashed any plans for the Nazi's to invade -

    - The Nazi's just could not compete with the allies over the numbers of manufactured goods and weapons of war - guns, tanks, planes, ships, subs etc etc - and had dwindling resources to supply the weapons they had by 1944 after having failed to conquer Britain or Russia and being pounded at night by Bomber Command - and in the daytime by the United States Airforce - and lost WW2 mainly due to lack of munitions/oil and man/woman-power to fight it -




    Originally posted by Montuno View Post
    Primo Gypsy:

    If the fact that Stalin was almost as, equal to, or worse than Hitler, is one of the "novel" historical views on Europe that you have discovered...I'm afraid you are later than the precious Spitfire in your photo to the Battle of Britain...

    ...For that it was not necessaryy to wait until you could read "Archipelago Gulag"...no even "Homenaje a Cataluña", " Rebelión en la Granja" or "1984"... In fact, your grandparents' generation could already have found out when my grandparents' generation begged them, since they did nothing against the German-Italian fascist invasion of their democracy, to at least lift the ban on helping them which they had extended over the rest of the "free world", and which left them in the exclusive hands of Uncle Stalin...
    ...And there you have the consequences: Stalin only sold us weapons and technical training... But the U.K. ended up having to ally militarily with Stalin, to save itself from Hitler...

    " La Nueve (9)"; Military company of Spanish anti-fascists; the first Allies to enter Paris:

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      The victors always write the history books. Most people are clueless about WWII and the Bolshevik Revolution...they are taught outright lies about WWI and II while the Bolshevik Revolution is completely hidden and omitted from school curriculum.
      Two great documentaries to watch that are mind blowing concerning World War II:

      Adolf Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told
      Europa: The Last Battle

      These two Docs can be found on BitChute for free. It's good to know what the Wars were really about and (((who))) were behind them in order to fully understand what is going on in the world today. And yes, The Kalergi Plan is very real and not some crazy tinfoil hat conspiracy. Be mindful of people -Gypsy- who pretend and say they don't believe it and it's crazy because many of them know that this is happening right now and are happy about it deep down...though they will never admit it. There's armies of Trolls online who attempt to debunk things like this out of pure evil and jealousy.

      It's a documented fact and someone with an IQ of a rusty nail could see that it is a real agenda and is in progress as I type this. If you cannot see it after ample research and speculation...then you would be basically retarded. Or you are merely joyful that it is happening and you will attempt to convince everyone that it is not.

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        Originally posted by Gypsy Nirvana View Post
        - Not many people I have ever spoken with are aware that Lenin and Stalin were responsible for possibly 10x the human deaths/murders that were attributed to Hitler -

        - In history lessons at the English school I attended back in the 1970's not much emphasis was put on teaching about the Bolshevik/Communist revolutions and subsequent Holodomors in Russia - where tens of millions of innocent people were sent to and exterminated via the Gulag system - but much emphasis was put on teaching us all about The Holocaust in Germany - so much so that I even learned the names of several Nazi concentration camps - but never learned the name of even one Gulag in soviet Russia - only after I left school at 15 years old with an enquiring mind did I learn about all of the Russian atrocities during the 3 Holodomors - particularly after reading 'Gulag Archipelago' - in my 20's -

        - You seem to have some problem with how the British reacted to The Spanish Revolution back in the 1930's - where the British government at the time proclaimed neutrality - and its foreign policy was to prevent a major war by appeasement of Italy and Germany - British leaders believed that the Spanish Republican government was the puppet of extreme-left socialists and communists - well that's the official historical reason - perhaps there is another more true reason - that I have yet to discover?

        - Churchill and his wealthy Zionist financial backers wanted WW2 to happen - it would be worth a fortune to the 'elites' who controlled the power and industries - and so the war went on consuming vast resources - and earning those that supplied it vast fortunes over 5 years or so - they didn't want peace at all - until Hitler was completely crushed -

        - Hitler tried to make peace with Britain on many occasions before and since the start of WW2 - even to the point of getting Rudolph Hess into Britain (Scotland) to try and make peace with the British in person as a high ranking member of the Nazi's - each request for peace with the British was turned down -

        On 10 May 1941 - Adolf Hitler's deputy Rudolf Hess parachuted into Scotland, landing in a field near Eaglesham - The prominent Nazi had flown solo for nearly 1,000 miles from Bavaria in a Messerschmitt Bf 110, apparently on a peace mission in the days leading up to Germany's invasion of Russia -

        - Britain didn't ally with Russia to save itself from the Germans - it allied itself with Russia to crush the Nazi's - who couldn't even make air superiority over England to allow any invasion - though they tried -

        - The Nazi's invasion hopes were beaten back by The Royal Airforce during The Battle of Britain - and the fact that England had the first RADAR system to detect when German planes would be over England helped win that battle - failing to get air superiority over England dashed any plans for the Nazi's to invade -

        - The Nazi's just could not compete with the allies over the numbers of manufactured goods and weapons of war - guns, tanks, planes, ships, subs etc etc - and had dwindling resources to supply the weapons they had by 1944 after having failed to conquer Britain or Russia and being pounded at night by Bomber Command - and in the daytime by the United States Airforce - and lost WW2 mainly due to lack of munitions/oil and man/woman-power to fight it -


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        No, Gypsy: I'm just using the history that our 2 countries have in common, to try to show you what happens to us Europeans when we pretend to be alien to each other, and concentrate on admiring our pink or brown navels...

        We could illustrate it with what we let happen to Germany, ruining it, after WW1...but I am not fluent in the subject. Surely the contribution of German friends could do it....
        (I think Gunter Grass's "It's a long story" is a good novel for illustration, am I wrong?)...

        ...Or more currently, with allowing the ruin of Greece...
        (And how in both times and countries fascism grew afterwards...)



        And out of my main intention with the historical examples, I will make two comments on your historical assertions, in my next post...

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          Speaking of great redpill war documentaries this is a really good 3 part series.

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          These too...

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            - My fellow Europeans are not 'alien' to me at all - I have travelled extensively throughout the European continent in the past - and realize that we have much in common and also a vast plethora of different cultural practices, art, music, theatre, cuisine amongst many other distinctly European quirks and features - that I have always enjoyed and been entertained by throughout all of my life - my 2nd wife was Dutch - and I have two older children still living in Holland -

            - Just because I don't agree with any sort of European super-state and wish for British national autonomy within a sovereign nation - and have no desire to politically align Britain with what I consider a failed experiment (the EEC) - does not make the rest of Europe 'alien' to me -

            - Talking about pink or brown navels sounds awfully juvenile - we call it 'pulling the race card' - because its not about race - there are already millions of British people from different ethnic groups/races in Britain - all have varying amount's of melanin - plus multi-coloured navels - and even I go brown in the sunshine - what it is about is an old and interesting culture (British) being swamped by mass immigration - and eventually being replaced by invasive cultures because of it - without the consent of the invaded indigenous people of that nation - the same applies to all other Western nations - except a few who are wise to it - and are controlling immigration to avoid what we are looking at -

            *Here is an interesting 5 minute long video - for those who can understand English - on this very subject - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SqpEDv5Hao - Why Russia and Japan have not allowed mass immigration to their countries


            Originally posted by Montuno View Post
            No, Gypsy: I'm just using the history that our 2 countries have in common, to try to show you what happens to us Europeans when we pretend to be alien to each other, and concentrate on admiring our pink or brown navels...

            We could illustrate it with what we let happen to Germany, ruining it, after WW1...but I am not fluent in the subject. Surely the contribution of German friends could do it....
            (I think Gunter Grass's "It's a long story" is a good novel for illustration, am I wrong?)...

            ...Or more currently, with allowing the ruin of Greece...
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            And out of my main intention with the historical examples, I will make two comments on your historical assertions, in my next post...
            Last edited by Gypsy Nirvana; 01-29-2021, 10:39.
            'It can all start from a seed'

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              Originally posted by Gypsy Nirvana View Post
              - My fellow Europeans are not 'alien' to me at all - I have travelled extensively throughout the European continent in the past - and realize that we have much in common and also a vast plethora of different cultural practices, art, music, theatre, cuisine amongst many other distinctly European quirks and features - that I have always enjoyed and been entertained by throughout all of my life - my 2nd wife was Dutch - and I have two older children still living in Holland -

              - Just because I don't agree with any sort of European super-state and wish for British national autonomy within a sovereign nation - and have no desire to politically align Britain with what I consider a failed experiment (the EEC) - does not make the rest of Europe 'alien' to me -

              - Talking about pink or brown navels sounds awfully juvenile - we call it 'pulling the race card' - because its not about race - there are already millions of British people from different ethnic groups/races in Britain - all have varying amount's of melanin - plus multi-coloured navels - and even I go brown in the sunshine - what it is about is an old and interesting culture (British) being swamped by mass immigration - and eventually being replaced by invasive cultures because of it - without the consent of the invaded indigenous people of that nation - the same applies to all other Western nations - except a few who are wise to it - and are controlling immigration to avoid what we are looking at -


              Here is an interesting 5 minute long video - for those who can understand English - on this very subject - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SqpEDv5Hao - Why Russia and Japan have not allowed mass immigration to their countries
              Gipsy, to try to reverse against me, my humorous allusions to your own words.... I don't know whether to take it as a result of misunderstandings and translations, or as an insult to my intelligence...

              Originally posted by Gypsy Nirvana View Post
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              This is a long-read, and I hope that it keeps your attention because I feel that it is very important for all of us to know and realize what could be going on in Europe right now, and why. Who is behind it, and what are their aims.

              https://sovereignwales.com/2016/09/2...les-of-europe/

              The genocidal Kalergi plan to destroy the indigenous nations and peoples of Europe
              by cymrusofren

              The hot potato of immigration – a perfectly reasonable debate for citizens of any country to have but one that many from all political persuasions are often unable to have without resorting to hysteria and polarisation.

              Natural and sustainable immigration happens organically. Economic immigrants, whether legal or not, can’t be blamed or demonised for looking for a better quality of life. And genuine asylum seekers who escape war zones and civil wars created by any aggressor including western/Nato countries should expect our sympathy and help and be given refuge in the nearest safe country or countries as set out in international law.

              But it isn’t that simple. Sadly there are political leaders and planners who seek to create and use mass immigration and the forced movement of people for their own nefarious purposes. Not many people have heard of the The Kalergi Pan European plan for Europe. In the 1920s, Free Mason Count Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi wrote a book titled “Praktischer Idealismus,” (Practical Idealism) which set out his views on how he believed the abolition of the right of self-determination and the elimination of European nations should be accomplished with the formation of an European Union.

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              Who’s supposed to be the monarch again? Evelyn de Rothschild chats with Prince Charles

              After publishing the book, Kalergi received help from Baron Louis de Rothschild who put him in touch with one of his friends, banker Max Warburg. Warburg then supported Kalergi with considerable funds to help form his European movement. The main problem lays with the fact that what Kalergi called for was not only the destruction of European nation states but also the deliberate ethnocide of the indigenous, mostly Caucasian race of the European continent. This he proposed should be done through enforced mass migration to create an undifferentiated homogeneous mass of serfs to be dominated by a wealthy self electing elite.

              Kalergi in his own words:

              “The (European) man of the future will be of mixed race. Today’s races and classes will disappear owing to the disappearing of space (nations), time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its outward appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals”

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              This, Kalergi stated, should be a plan run for and by the racial and spiritual supremacy of ‘blood aristocracy and Jewry’. These are all his crude racialist words, not mine. People should be free to mix and settle with a partner from whatever race or ethnicity they choose. But what Kalergi and the Pan European plan specifically calls out for is the deliberate use of enforced and disproportionate mass immigration, especially from non-European countries, in order to bring in a Pan European single state dictatorship and destroy the indigenous pink/white nationalities, and therefore resistance, of Europe.

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              In order to get a better picture of where this kind of twisted thinking comes from, those interested might want to look in more detail at Kabbalaism and at Babylonian mystery religion. These occult paganistic, Luciferian, anti Christian doctrines can be seen manifested in the highest degrees of Free Masonry and other secret societies, in the Kabbalah Zohar literature, in the subversive Sabbatean/Frankist movements and in the highly unpleasant supremacist teachings of the Babylonian Talmud bible – a doctrine that refers to non Talmudists as the sub-human Goyim/Gentiles (cattle) and which is followed and taught within Rabbinical and ultra orthodox Talmudism and within religious and political Zionism.

              Babylonian occultism has also creeped in to most other organised religions at the higher levels including Roman Catholicism, Islam, Protestant Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism and the New Age Movement. It is also to be found as a guiding principle in the upper echelons of the unelected United Nations.

              Alongside globalist corporations and philanthropists, these followers of occult Kabbalaism and extreme Talmudic and Zionist teachings seem to be especially preoccupied with deliberately destroying the indigenous nations and Caucasian race of Europe through mass enforced and unfettered multiculturalism. They also seem preoccupied in destroying the traditional Christian heritage and moral values that have largely helped to build and maintain a flourishing and diverse, culturally rich European civilisation.

              The illegal attacks led by a small crazed Anglo-American-Israeli elite seen in recent years on majority Muslim countries such as Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya has also conveniently led to the radicalisation of many of the men and women of those countries. A large proportion of whom are now intent on revenge through the bloody destruction of the west by war or invasion. It could be easily surmised that this has played beautifully in to the hands of those European and Zionist elements who themselves want to see Europe destroyed as the Kalergi plan lays out. In other words, the radical Muslims have been played as much as we Europeans have. Divide and conquer, play both sides and all that. Perhaps it would be an idea for all divided enemies to start talking to each other and to look at who all the vested interests pulling all these strings might be and ask why are they doing it?

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              The majority of the people of Israel and elsewhere who are moderate non Talmudic followers of old testament (Torah) Judaism, Arab Christians, Atheists, Agnostics, and moderate Muslims are also as much victims of such dangerous elite supremacist doctrine as we in Europe seem to be. And many if not most orthodox Jews don’t even realise that what they’re following or affiliating themselves with is extreme Talmudic Judaism, with increasing numbers now becoming aware of the extremities of Talmudic teachings.

              Zionism is essentially Rothschild Zionism. The Rothschild family is a globalist banking family who have been and are currently in charge of most of the wealth and central banks of the world, and a great deal of its media. They are also bankers to the equally rich and powerful Roman Catholic Church and its Jesuit order in the Vatican – another institution heavily infiltrated by occult Kabbalism and one also very keen on a globalist new world order of one government, one cashless currency and one religion.
              Either way, it makes it impossible for me to have a real debate.
              I take this opportunity just to send you again my best wishes of health for you and yours.

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                @Montuno - Por qué te molestas en discutir con peña así? Te aseguro que no vas a conseguir nada.

                Ya has dejado claros tus valores, así como el ha dejado clara su falta de los mismos. Desde que frecuento este foro he podido comprobar la cantidad de gentuza de este tipo que conforman este mundillo. Cualquier persona con dos dedos de frente ve venir a la legua el tipo de cutre-argumentos que usan. Disfrazan su odio racial hablando de herencia cultural, preservación de tradiciones y porquería así, el tipo de discurso que siempre han usado exactamente ya sabes quién.

                Ya has demostrado que estás por encima de eso, si le das bola lo único que vas a conseguir es darle razones para seguir escupiendo la basura odiosa que hay por este hilo.

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                  - OK Montuno - possibly 'Cognitive Dissonance' comes to mind? - combined with the fact that Spanish is your Mother tongue - and so misunderstandings in translation can make it difficult to accurately debate with you - but good attempt at least - it has been interesting - and if your intelligence feels insulted - then we can sympathize - since the feeling is faintly mutual -

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq7JSic1DtM
                  Public Image Limited - Rise -


                  *- The message is in the lyrics -

                  ** - BTW - '' in order to bring in a Pan European single state dictatorship and destroy the indigenous pink/white nationalities, and therefore resistance, of Europe.'' - these were not my words - they are part of the article from the sovereign Wales site - https://sovereignwales.com/2016/09/2...les-of-europe/



                  Originally posted by Montuno View Post
                  Gipsy, to try to reverse against me, my humorous allusions to your own words.... I don't know whether to take it as a result of misunderstandings and translations, or as an insult to my intelligence...



                  Either way, it makes it impossible for me to have a real debate.
                  I take this opportunity just to send you again my best wishes of health for you and yours.
                  Originally posted by Magoluci View Post
                  @Montuno - Why do you bother arguing with rock like that? I assure you, you're not going to get anything.

                  You have already made your values clear, just as he has made clear his lack of them. Since I frequent this forum I have been able to check the amount of mob of this type that make up this world. Anyone with two fingers in front sees the kind of cutre-arguments they use come to the league. They disguise their racial hatred by talking about cultural heritage, preservation of traditions and crap like that, the kind of discourse they've always used exactly you know who.

                  You've already shown that you're above that, if you give him ball all you're going to get is to give him reasons to keep spitting out the hateful crap out of this thread.
                  *translation from the Spanish -

                  - Okey-Dokey - so if a Rastaman talks about his cultural heritage - or someone from Spain or the USA or anywhere else in the world - you call that a disguise for racial hatred? - An ethnic community that recognizes its culture - its heritage - its history - sports - art - music/dance etc and wishes to preserve it is 'racist?' - <faceplant> - I'd expect to see you attacking Flamenco dancers next - for dancing Flamenco - (which is beautiful) -

                  - Ya - I'd say that's delusional - seriously delusional - and sounds more like 'spitting out the hateful crap' - than anything I have written -


                  Last edited by Gypsy Nirvana; 01-29-2021, 14:33.
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                    Originally posted by Magoluci View Post
                    @Montuno - Por qué te molestas en discutir con peña así? Te aseguro que no vas a conseguir nada.

                    Ya has dejado claros tus valores, así como el ha dejado clara su falta de los mismos. Desde que frecuento este foro he podido comprobar la cantidad de gentuza de este tipo que conforman este mundillo. Cualquier persona con dos dedos de frente ve venir a la legua el tipo de cutre-argumentos que usan. Disfrazan su odio racial hablando de herencia cultural, preservación de tradiciones y porquería así, el tipo de discurso que siempre han usado exactamente ya sabes quién.

                    Ya has demostrado que estás por encima de eso, si le das bola lo único que vas a conseguir es darle razones para seguir escupiendo la basura odiosa que hay por este hilo.
                    Bueno, yo realmente no creo que Gypsy sea el clásico racista por odio: ni siquiera creo que sea mala persona; si no te aseguro que no intentaría empatizar y debatir con el... Estoy seguro que "su problema" es por miedo, y no por odio...
                    Ese miedo que ha conseguido inculcar la nueva ultraderecha en capas de la población que antes eran, por pura lógica y contraposicion de intereses e ideales, impermeables a sus mensajes...

                    Y claro que me suena y mucho su discurso, je. Si tu eres de mi país, seguro que también... Coge los delirios sobre conspiraciones judeo-masonicas-bolcheviques de Franco y sus hordas bárbaras, con un poco de lo más rancio del Opus Dei...agitalo...y ale.... Hasta un Papa Satánico jesuita hay, je...
                    Pero todo un poco "remozado" para los "nuevos" tiempos, como la nueva ultraderecha española de VOX y sus portavoces negros, je...

                    Lo que me ha molestado es que se contradiga y/o maquille (su propia disonancia cognitiva, je...) las ideas que está publicitando, y además pretenda que son "argumentos/conceptos mios propios, y bastante infantiles", cuando se lo señalo con humor, pero con respeto...

                    En fin... Un saludo y como tu bien dices, no alimentemos más a la bicha...

                    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QBJRhQsrdCI

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                      Originally posted by Montuno View Post
                      Ese miedo que ha conseguido inculcar la nueva ultraderecha en capas de la población que antes eran, por pura lógica y contraposicion de intereses e ideales, impermeables a sus mensajes...
                      No podría haberlo dicho mejor. Al menos antes a la extrema derecha era fácilmente identificable por todo el mundo, y separada del resto de la gente. Digamos que antes era abiertamente agresiva, mientras que la actual es más bien pasivo-agresiva

                      Ahora con la porquería de los medios sociales y sobre todo después de ver que gente como Trump realmente consiguen los resultados tangibles que quieren, manipulando y diciendo mentiras con toda la cara. Esta gente tienen comprobado que ganar o perder discusiones políticas es lo de menos,. Lo importante es seguir soltando barbaridades, cuantas más mejor, simplemente porque hay más posibilidades de que algunas de las personas lo lean y se lo crean. La desinformación y la manipulación crean este caldo de cultivo para que gente bienintencionada pero con pocas luces intente tomar la justicia por su mano. Como les pasó hace unas semanas a los yankis con el asalto al capitolio.

                      En fin. Disculpa no quiero meterte en problemas, esta mañana estaba de mal humor y este tipo de hilos me encienden. Encima en un foro de fumetas sabes? Es que ya no se puede estar en paz en ningún sitio

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                        - and now a bit of cultural inspiration from the Spanish Gypsy's -

                        MACARENA RAMÍREZ. Festival flamenco de León.

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elPlcVOby-8

                        The Legendary Carmen Amaya (1913-1963), Flamenco Potpourri 1

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCca6d2ceI0


                        The word Flamenco in Spanish originally meant Flemish. It is supposed that during the Flemish kingdom of Karel V (Carlos I in Spain) some kind of popular confusion between flemish and Gypsy culture led the people to use that word for the Gypsy music.

                        *I read the translations of your last post Magoluci and Montuno - and wonder why you have to try and put everything in a box marked 'left' or 'right?' - is there nothing other than that in your minds - does everyone have to be on one side or the other?

                        Last edited by Gypsy Nirvana; 01-29-2021, 22:58.
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                          I remember somebody said peace, love and understanding. I feel the last word is often forgot. Damn shame really.

                          Im a so called "Viking" and GN is a so called "Gypsy". Its a different heritage on many aspects. Like an rastaman have his roots, Muslims have theres, Christians have theres and so on. Is there any problem with that? I would guess people would say no. Can I enjoi the difference too? I have a couple of spanish dogs. I wont say which, of security, but its a traditional dog I can say. The people who have them and breed them for a long time is very proud of there work, and they should be! Im a proud owner also. Anything wrong with that? Is it racist to be proud, enjoi or even saying hey, I want to conserve what I would to eat at Christmas? I looooove tandoori, but since I want to eat something traditionally from here, here at Christmas or Jul as we say. What about the Indians will they feel hurt? Or you know?

                          Its not about being against "anything" or "anyone", in terms of cultural ID or genetic. Hell no. Come on, really? Thats what you think?

                          But the theory presented suggest someone want to dilute many countries and cultures for there own benefit. Is that ok? I have a really big ego, just so you know, is it ok for everybody that I go to other countries to deliver my sperm to every women I see and pushing my agenda for the way I want everybody to live? I want everybody stoned 4:20, and I mean in the morning. Wake and bake mates. Everybody who doesnt blaze else is a traitor, and I F@((ing mean it! Church said missionary. I say, Doggy. I just love dogs, remember? Guess my sound at the end of the season aye?

                          Im a mutt, so I have no problem with mixed breeding, and the least few person I have been with are not from my country. Oh yeah, also most of my friends are also not from my country. Sooo...... The racist card lack weight....

                          So if Im not a racist.... (or Im a racist in the subconscious?(joke(?))) Im a allowed to ask, is it possible, that somebody is, are or can take control over an another population thru propaganda or manipualting search engines on the web? Cause if I understood the spanish right. Trump managed to brainwash right wing side, right? Is he a magician? Is it possible that others have tools to do it? Or is it always and only the "bad" guys (the told bad guys I mean) that can be able to project it and make it happen? Remember we are all bad mofos on this forum, cause we enjoi a plant, a flower. Think about it bad ass, flowers growers, sound a bit gay dont it? So, maybe we are not so bad ass after all, or are we? Ops, I forgot... I said gay, I must be against homos too? Naaah, I have had my fun Just fucking with ya mate, just watch your ass! My way, your way anything goes to night Im no painter, Im just an obeserver. Or? Anyway, pass it to left cause the right is wrong. That something we all know, right? or was it left again? Sides, can be so confusing? I rather walk the line, like Mr. cash.

                          Wow, did anybody see that Documentary on Nexflix, cambridge analytica? Jesus, people are excellent on propaganda these days. It just show a "small" picture of what some tools can achieve.

                          Please, and I really mean it. Debunk the theory. Cause in my own eyes I dont want this theory to be true. Thats the real deal.

                          Much Love

                          I got this link earlier from thread starter. Totally off topic. Or? I think its about time to put some more music on :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7xMfIp-irg
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                            Originally posted by Gypsy Nirvana View Post
                            - OK Montuno - possibly 'Cognitive Dissonance' comes to mind? - combined with the fact that Spanish is your Mother tongue - and so misunderstandings in translation can make it difficult to accurately debate with you - but good attempt at least - it has been interesting - and if your intelligence feels insulted - then we can sympathize - since the feeling is faintly mutual -

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq7JSic1DtM
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                            *- The message is in the lyrics -

                            ** - BTW - '' in order to bring in a Pan European single state dictatorship and destroy the indigenous pink/white nationalities, and therefore resistance, of Europe.'' - these were not my words - they are part of the article from the sovereign Wales site - https://sovereignwales.com/2016/09/2...les-of-europe/

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                            *translation from the Spanish -

                            - Okey-Dokey - so if a Rastaman talks about his cultural heritage - or someone from Spain or the USA or anywhere else in the world - you call that a disguise for racial hatred? - An ethnic community that recognizes its culture - its heritage - its history - sports - art - music/dance etc and wishes to preserve it is 'racist?' - <faceplant> - I'd expect to see you attacking Flamenco dancers next - for dancing Flamenco - (which is beautiful) -

                            - Ya - I'd say that's delusional - seriously delusional - and sounds more like 'spitting out the hateful crap' - than anything I have written -


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                            You cannot realistically 'preserve' culture forever.... it's nice and all, but preserving culture has to somewhat take a back seat to more important things, if the human race is to be one and continue to move forward.

                            That does not mean celebrating culture (at least the good parts of it) is bad, or that it should be replaced by other cultures, it's just that the fact is that to move forward TOGETHER, everyone needs to understand that culture is forever changing and you can't cling to the past more than you look to a peaceful and understanding future.

                            All cultures will have to give and take a little if we're all going to get along and share the world positively and create a united HUMAN CULTURE.

                            If we ever make it to the stars, how petty will little culture wars seem?

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                              Originally posted by homeless guy View Post
                              You cannot realistically 'preserve' culture forever.... it's nice and all, but preserving culture has to somewhat take a back seat to more important things, if the human race is to be one and continue to move forward.

                              That does not mean celebrating culture (at least the good parts of it) is bad, or that it should be replaced by other cultures, it's just that the fact is that to move forward TOGETHER, everyone needs to understand that culture is forever changing and you can't cling to the past more than you look to a peaceful and understanding future.

                              All cultures will have to give and take a little if we're all going to get along and share the world positively and create a united HUMAN CULTURE.

                              If we ever make it to the stars, how petty will little culture wars seem?
                              I like to think of Earth as a cold plate of firm spaghetti, and the individual noodles on that plate as various unique cultures. Naturally each noodle is following it's own path, twisting and turning as they may, weaving in and out of other noodles, with little, but valid input from neighboring noodles. Moving forward for these noodles means to follow their individual paths. If you take all the noodles and arrange them how you like, line them up in one direction, or side by side in rows, it may appear to create uniformity and beauty, but in reality it is chaos that has been created that goes completely against the will of most of the noodles, and of nature. They fell where they fell, did they not? At one point they were moving in various directions, changing rapidly, boiling hot and pliable before finally cooling and resting, settling into what is now a familiar place. Most of those noodles would be painfully bent and twisted from their current natural form, against their will nonetheless, in order to straighten them out to move them to where others may want them to be. You could arrange the noodles end to end to make the shape of a giant heart but most of them wouldn't feel the love. Surely it would look beautiful to the all powerful hidden hand that can manipulate such things at will. Cultures will brush against each other, existing side by side, wrap around each other, and sometimes sit atop of or beneath one another, and they may smother each other a bit, but for the most part they're unique to one another and very happy about that.
                              Eventually they will all be eaten or thrown away, and lost to time, but for now I feel they deserve the respect of enjoying a peaceful existence with minimal upheaval. When the world is ready to come together and be one it will happen.

                              What individuals or groups of individuals may consider to be forward or progress is very different across the board. Your version of forward is not the same as anyone elses on the planet and neither is mine. Some people's version of forward and progress is moving in a straight line to utopia while singing kumbaya along the way. Others is far more sinister. Forward can be great for certain individuals with specific goals that may prefer moving in a particular direction, but not necessarily for everyone. To have one single unified culture across the globe would create suffering to an an extent that I don't even want to begin to imagine. In my opinion, whoever would want to snuff out free will must have some really deep fears and insecurities. I understand to an extent because I also have fears and insecurities. We all do. Mine happen to be different, and admittedly not quite so deeply seated. I believe it is obvious that the more people that willingly except each other and work together for a common goal the better things would be for the said group. Maybe one day that group will include all of us here on Turtle Island. I hope so.

                              God bless

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                                Originally posted by Magoluci View Post
                                No podría haberlo dicho mejor. Al menos antes a la extrema derecha era fácilmente identificable por todo el mundo, y separada del resto de la gente. Digamos que antes era abiertamente agresiva, mientras que la actual es más bien pasivo-agresiva

                                Ahora con la porquería de los medios sociales y sobre todo después de ver que gente como Trump realmente consiguen los resultados tangibles que quieren, manipulando y diciendo mentiras con toda la cara. Esta gente tienen comprobado que ganar o perder discusiones políticas es lo de menos,. Lo importante es seguir soltando barbaridades, cuantas más mejor, simplemente porque hay más posibilidades de que algunas de las personas lo lean y se lo crean. La desinformación y la manipulación crean este caldo de cultivo para que gente bienintencionada pero con pocas luces intente tomar la justicia por su mano.
                                Como les pasó hace unas semanas a los yankis con el asalto al capitolio.

                                En fin. Disculpa no quiero meterte en problemas, esta mañana estaba de mal humor y este tipo de hilos me encienden. Encima en un foro de fumetas sabes? Es que ya no se puede estar en paz en ningún sitio
                                Ay, mi primo... "Esto" hay que combatirlo con inteligencia y mucho buen humor... Lo primero que te arrebatan siempre es el buen humor, je., que para eso no es necesario ni gobernar... Luego, ya vendrá lo demás...

                                Oh, my cousin... "This" has to be fought with intelligence and a lot of good humour... The first thing they always take away from you is your good humour, heh, for that they don't even need to govern... After that, the rest will come...

                                KEEP THE CALM, AND CONTINUE SMILING
                                https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MbVvXYQIRfU

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