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    Originally posted by Gypsy Nirvana View Post
    - just as a note - If you don't agree with what is said - and/or find some un-truth about it - then point out that particular part of the text and express your views upon it - so that we can debate about it -

    - This is not about being a righty or a lefty - a nazi or a commie - its about MASS IMMIGRATION - please discuss -
    Una parte particular?!? ...Yo todavía estoy esperando a que se me pase la subida del joint del desayuno para poder leer tu primer mensaje sin revolcarme de risa...
    Y si, tus mensajes si son sobre racismo : racismo escondido tras el tópico "inmigración en masa" y maquillado siguiendo esa "corrección política" que tanto criticas como guardas, amigo "rosa y blanco"...


    One particular part?!? ...I'm still waiting for the breakfast joint to go away so I can read your first message without rolling around on the floor laughing...
    And yes, your messages are about racism : racism hidden behind the topic "mass immigration" and made up following that "political correctness" that you criticize as much as you keep, my "pink and white" friend...

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      - you are welcome to your opinion - but personally I don't see 'race' even to be part of the argument - its about MASS IMMIGRATION - regardless of 'race' -

      - and I have seen this from both sides - as the resident - and as the immigrant -





      Originally posted by Montuno View Post
      Una parte particular?!? ...Yo todavía estoy esperando a que se me pase la subida del joint del desayuno para poder leer tu primer mensaje sin revolcarme de risa...
      Y si, tus mensajes si son sobre racismo : racismo escondido tras el tópico "inmigración en masa" y maquillado siguiendo esa "corrección política" que tanto criticas como guardas, amigo "rosa y blanco"...


      One particular part?!? ...I'm still waiting for the breakfast joint to go away so I can read your first message without rolling around on the floor laughing...
      And yes, your messages are about racism : racism hidden behind the topic "mass immigration" and made up following that "political correctness" that you criticize as much as you keep, my "pink and white" friend...
      Last edited by Gypsy Nirvana; 01-11-2021, 12:06.
      'It can all start from a seed'

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        - Do I need to dispute it? - looks to me like the USA is making good use of immigrants - as it always did - once they had killed off most of the local indigenous people - should it be that way in Wales also - due to unfettered/mass immigration?


        Originally posted by h.h. View Post
        I can cut and paste too. Dispute this.

        https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdo...=rep1&type=pdf


        In section 3, we consider how U.S. regional economies adjust to immigrant inflows. Despite the geographic concentration of recent immigrants, wages have not fallen perceptibly in the gateway communities in which immigrants settle. Regions have adjusted to immigrant inflows through other mechanisms, including skill upgrading of the native labor force, outmigration of native workers, and shifts in output mix towards immigrant-intensive industries. If education levels of the U.S. labor force stabilize, as they are expected to do, the wage impacts of immigration may be more pronounced.
        In section 4, we examine the factors that influence U.S. illegal immigration. Most illegal immigrants enter the country either by crossing the Mexico-U.S. border or by overstaying entry visas. Mexico is the largest source country for illegal immigration and illegal entry tends to surge following economic downturns in the country. The U.S. government impedes illegal immigration by policing borders and monitoring employers, with the vast majority of resources dedicated to border enforcement. These efforts appear to have had limited success, as the inflow of illegal immigrants continues unabated.
        In section 5, we examine the fiscal impact of immigration. Prior to U.S. welfare reform in 1996, immigrants were more likely than natives to receive public assistance. New laws restrict immigrant access to many benefits, one important exception being costly public education. For some types of public assistance, individual U.S. states have the discretion to offer benefits after an individual has been in the country for at least five years. Excluding immigrants from public
        'It can all start from a seed'

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          Te repito que es racismo/clasismo torpemente maquillado (e hilarantemente argumentado; como también lo era la "clasificación racial por inteligencia" de la que te hiciste eco en otro hilo).
          Seguro que no te preocupa que tu Gales pueda ser destino de la inmigracion masiva de todas las animadoras de todos los equipos deportivos de Escandinavia...

          I repeat that it is clumsily made up racism/classism (and hilariously argued; as was the "racial classification by intelligence" which you echoed in another thread).
          Surely you are not worried that your Wales could be the destination of mass immigration of all the cheerleaders of all the sports teams in Scandinavia...

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            Ademas, es el racismo/clasismo mas peligroso de todos : aun siendo burdo, no lo es tanto como el que apela simplemente al "sentimiento de superioridad sobre el otro"... Por que apela a algo aun mas atavico,primitivo, efectivo y peligroso : " el MIEDO al otro"...

            Moreover, it is the most dangerous racism/classism of all : even if it is crude, it is not as crude as the one that simply appeals to the "feeling of superiority over the other"... Because it appeals to something even more atavistic, primitive, effective and dangerous: "FEAR of the other"...

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              Originally posted by Montuno View Post
              Te repito que es racismo/clasismo torpemente maquillado (e hilarantemente argumentado; como también lo era la "clasificación racial por inteligencia" de la que te hiciste eco en otro hilo).
              Seguro que no te preocupa que tu Gales pueda ser destino de la inmigracion masiva de todas las animadoras de todos los equipos deportivos de Escandinavia...

              I repeat that it is clumsily made up racism/classism (and hilariously argued; as was the "racial classification by intelligence" which you echoed in another thread).
              Surely you are not worried that your Wales could be the destination of mass immigration of all the cheerleaders of all the sports teams in Scandinavia...
              - Yes - the idea is to get members to discuss awkward topics - most certainly - a vast influx of Scandinavian Cheerleaders into Wales would definitely cause quite a stir - and could easily lead to much social UPheaval -
              'It can all start from a seed'

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                Originally posted by Gypsy Nirvana View Post
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                This is a long-read, and I hope that it keeps your attention because I feel that it is very important for all of us to know and realize what could be going on in Europe right now, and why. Who is behind it, and what are their aims.

                https://sovereignwales.com/2016/09/2...les-of-europe/

                The genocidal Kalergi plan to destroy the indigenous nations and peoples of Europe
                by cymrusofren

                The hot potato of immigration – a perfectly reasonable debate for citizens of any country to have but one that many from all political persuasions are often unable to have without resorting to hysteria and polarisation.

                Natural and sustainable immigration happens organically. Economic immigrants, whether legal or not, can’t be blamed or demonised for looking for a better quality of life. And genuine asylum seekers who escape war zones and civil wars created by any aggressor including western/Nato countries should expect our sympathy and help and be given refuge in the nearest safe country or countries as set out in international law.

                But it isn’t that simple. Sadly there are political leaders and planners who seek to create and use mass immigration and the forced movement of people for their own nefarious purposes. Not many people have heard of the The Kalergi Pan European plan for Europe. In the 1920s, Free Mason Count Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi wrote a book titled “Praktischer Idealismus,” (Practical Idealism) which set out his views on how he believed the abolition of the right of self-determination and the elimination of European nations should be accomplished with the formation of an European Union.

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                Who’s supposed to be the monarch again? Evelyn de Rothschild chats with Prince Charles

                After publishing the book, Kalergi received help from Baron Louis de Rothschild who put him in touch with one of his friends, banker Max Warburg. Warburg then supported Kalergi with considerable funds to help form his European movement. The main problem lays with the fact that what Kalergi called for was not only the destruction of European nation states but also the deliberate ethnocide of the indigenous, mostly Caucasian race of the European continent. This he proposed should be done through enforced mass migration to create an undifferentiated homogeneous mass of serfs to be dominated by a wealthy self electing elite.

                Kalergi in his own words:

                “The (European) man of the future will be of mixed race. Today’s races and classes will disappear owing to the disappearing of space (nations), time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its outward appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals”

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                This, Kalergi stated, should be a plan run for and by the racial and spiritual supremacy of ‘blood aristocracy and Jewry’. These are all his crude racialist words, not mine. People should be free to mix and settle with a partner from whatever race or ethnicity they choose. But what Kalergi and the Pan European plan specifically calls out for is the deliberate use of enforced and disproportionate mass immigration, especially from non-European countries, in order to bring in a Pan European single state dictatorship and destroy the indigenous pink/white nationalities, and therefore resistance, of Europe.

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                https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php...tureid=2109891

                In order to get a better picture of where this kind of twisted thinking comes from, those interested might want to look in more detail at Kabbalaism and at Babylonian mystery religion. These occult paganistic, Luciferian, anti Christian doctrines can be seen manifested in the highest degrees of Free Masonry and other secret societies, in the Kabbalah Zohar literature, in the subversive Sabbatean/Frankist movements and in the highly unpleasant supremacist teachings of the Babylonian Talmud bible – a doctrine that refers to non Talmudists as the sub-human Goyim/Gentiles (cattle) and which is followed and taught within Rabbinical and ultra orthodox Talmudism and within religious and political Zionism.

                Babylonian occultism has also creeped in to most other organised religions at the higher levels including Roman Catholicism, Islam, Protestant Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism and the New Age Movement. It is also to be found as a guiding principle in the upper echelons of the unelected United Nations.

                Alongside globalist corporations and philanthropists, these followers of occult Kabbalaism and extreme Talmudic and Zionist teachings seem to be especially preoccupied with deliberately destroying the indigenous nations and Caucasian race of Europe through mass enforced and unfettered multiculturalism. They also seem preoccupied in destroying the traditional Christian heritage and moral values that have largely helped to build and maintain a flourishing and diverse, culturally rich European civilisation.

                The illegal attacks led by a small crazed Anglo-American-Israeli elite seen in recent years on majority Muslim countries such as Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya has also conveniently led to the radicalisation of many of the men and women of those countries. A large proportion of whom are now intent on revenge through the bloody destruction of the west by war or invasion. It could be easily surmised that this has played beautifully in to the hands of those European and Zionist elements who themselves want to see Europe destroyed as the Kalergi plan lays out. In other words, the radical Muslims have been played as much as we Europeans have. Divide and conquer, play both sides and all that. Perhaps it would be an idea for all divided enemies to start talking to each other and to look at who all the vested interests pulling all these strings might be and ask why are they doing it?

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                The majority of the people of Israel and elsewhere who are moderate non Talmudic followers of old testament (Torah) Judaism, Arab Christians, Atheists, Agnostics, and moderate Muslims are also as much victims of such dangerous elite supremacist doctrine as we in Europe seem to be. And many if not most orthodox Jews don’t even realise that what they’re following or affiliating themselves with is extreme Talmudic Judaism, with increasing numbers now becoming aware of the extremities of Talmudic teachings.

                Zionism is essentially Rothschild Zionism. The Rothschild family is a globalist banking family who have been and are currently in charge of most of the wealth and central banks of the world, and a great deal of its media. They are also bankers to the equally rich and powerful Roman Catholic Church and its Jesuit order in the Vatican – another institution heavily infiltrated by occult Kabbalism and one also very keen on a globalist new world order of one government, one cashless currency and one religion.


                ...Los Jesuiiitaasss... Ellos tienen la culpa de todo (ya lo decían 500 años atrás los Dominicos y los portugueses...(Mira la película "La Misión" si no me crees...)... Gypsy, no seras tu del Opus Dei ?!?
                ...No se que seria peor : que pertenecieras a el; o que sea esta la primera vez que oyes su nombre, después de habernos "iluminado" sobre la "Deep Church", je, je...

                ...The Jesuiiitaasss... They are to blame for everything (the Order of the Dominicos and the Portuguese already said the same so 500 years ago...(Watch the film "The Mission" if you don't believe me...) Gypsy, it won't be you from Opus Dei ?!?
                ...I don't know what would be worse : that you belong to him; or that this is the first time you hear his name, after having "enlightened" us about the "Deep Church", he, he...

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                  Originally posted by Montuno View Post
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                  ...Los Jesuiiitaasss... Ellos tienen la culpa de todo (ya lo decían 500 años atrás los Dominicos y los portugueses...(Mira la película "La Misión" si no me crees...)... Gypsy, no seras tu del Opus Dei ?!?
                  ...No se que seria peor : que pertenecieras a el; o que sea esta la primera vez que oyes su nombre, después de habernos "iluminado" sobre la "Deep Church", je, je...

                  ...The Jesuiiitaasss... They are to blame for everything (the Order of the Dominicos and the Portuguese already said the same so 500 years ago...(Watch the film "The Mission" if you don't believe me...) Gypsy, it won't be you from Opus Dei ?!?
                  ...I don't know what would be worse : that you belong to him; or that this is the first time you hear his name, after having "enlightened" us about the "Deep Church", he, he...

                  Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
                  - Ahh - 'The Mission' - wow - that was waaay back in the 80's when I first saw that film - and it was pretty good - if I can remember - and it was about The Jesuits - I think?



                  - Opus Dei? - Opus Dei was founded in 1928 in Spain by St. Josemaría Escrivá de Balaguer y Albás (canonized in 2002), a priest trained in law. Believing that daily life can be sanctifying, Escrivá sought to encourage Catholic laypeople and priests in their pursuit of holiness through their chosen professions - interesting - but is it relevant?
                  'It can all start from a seed'

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                    White and pink? Wtf
                    I eat legos

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                      Originally posted by Sunshineinabag View Post
                      White and pink? Wtf
                      Cierto. Yo solo parafraseo y cito al propio Gypsy y "sus curiosas clasificaciones raciales"... Leelo en sus propuos mensajes...
                      ...Según otra de la que se hizo eco en otro hilo, yo seria " No blanco Hispano", y mi inteligencia seria menor a los verdaderos blancos "blancos rosas", je... Eso si, al menos tengo el consuelo de ser más inteligente que mi vecina Lorena, que la pobre es más negra que una noche sin luna....

                      True. I only paraphrase and quote Gypsy himself and "his curious racial classifications"... Read it in your own messages...
                      ...According to another one that was echoed in another thread, I would be "Not white Hispanic", and my intelligence would be less than the real "white pink", he... But at least I have the consolation of being more intelligent than my neighbour Lorena, who is blacker than a moonless night....

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                        The way your mind thinks/works / functions is ummmmm....I can't find the right word
                        I eat legos

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                          Originally posted by Montuno View Post
                          Cierto. Yo solo parafraseo y cito al propio Gypsy y "sus curiosas clasificaciones raciales"... Leelo en sus propuos mensajes...
                          ...Según otra de la que se hizo eco en otro hilo, yo seria " No blanco Hispano", y mi inteligencia seria menor a los verdaderos blancos "blancos rosas", je... Eso si, al menos tengo el consuelo de ser más inteligente que mi vecina Lorena, que la pobre es más negra que una noche sin luna....

                          True. I only paraphrase and quote Gypsy himself and "his curious racial classifications"... Read it in your own messages...
                          ...According to another one that was echoed in another thread, I would be "Not white Hispanic", and my intelligence would be less than the real "white pink", he... But at least I have the consolation of being more intelligent than my neighbour Lorena, who is blacker than a moonless night....

                          Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
                          - You shouldn't be questioning your intelligence Montuno - so far I am quite impressed with your ability to continue this conversation - when its fairly obvious that English is not your Mother tongue - but I must admit - that the translation leaves much to be desired - since it looks like its far from perfect -

                          - what are these 'curious racial classifications' - which you seem to have attributed to me? - 'Not White Hispanic' - what's that all about ?

                          - Can we get you off the 'race' waggon - and onto the Mass Immigration one? -
                          'It can all start from a seed'

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                            Idk man we were fucking like rabbits during colonial times ...I doubt melatonin really tells the tale lol
                            I eat legos

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                              Originally posted by Gypsy Nirvana View Post
                              - you are welcome to your opinion - but personally I don't see 'race' even to be part of the argument - its about MASS IMMIGRATION - regardless of 'race' -

                              - and I have seen this from both sides - as the resident - and as the immigrant -
                              Gypsy, creo (y espero) que solo eres, en realidad, una marioneta de esas "elites" que crees denunciar al publicitar descabellados planes como este. "Elites" que con la publicidad de estos "planes", persiguen justo todo lo contrario de lo que esos "demoniacos planes" proclaman... Solo son otra estrategia mas del fascismo y la ultraderecha para lograr sus fines...:
                              Piensa, Gypsy, mi hermano (y lo digo sin ironia, pues probablemente descendamos de una misma mujer que hace decenas de miles de años tuvo que emigrar desde la actual Etiopia) que para ello deben lograr que tu miedo al otro (a perder o diluir tu identidad cultural ante el otro), sea igual o mas fuerte, que el miedo del otro a la pobreza/injusticia/guerra/etc...
                              Mientras el miedo del otro sea mas fuerte (pues es mas real), que tu miedo a diluirte culturalmente ante el otro...,el otro seguira abandonando su tierra para buscar la riqueza/justicia/paz/etc, en tu tierra...
                              ...Y que solucion es mas sencilla (recurramos a la pura termodinamica para intentar explicar echos historicos/politicos/sociales, algo muy propio del "Marxismo autentico", por cierto, je...) eliminar guerra, injusticia y pobreza de la casa del otro..., o inflar tus temores hasta limites insospechados desde la comodidad de una habitacion con un teclado?

                              Gypsy, I think (and hope) that you are really just one of those "elite" puppets that you think you are denouncing by publicising crazy plans like this. "Elites" that with the publicity of these "plans", pursue just the opposite of what those "demonic plans" proclaim... They are just another strategy of fascism and the ultra-right to achieve their goals
                              Think, Gypsy, my brother (and I say this without irony, since we probably descend from the same woman who tens of thousands of years ago had to emigrate from the present day Ethiopia) that for this to happen, your fear of the other (of losing or diluting your cultural identity in the face of the other), must be equal to or stronger than the other's fear of poverty/justice/war/etc...
                              As long as the fear of the other is stronger (because it is more real), than your fear of cultural dilution in front of the other..., the other will continue to leave his or her land in search of wealth/justice/peace/etc, in your land...
                              ...And what solution is simpler (let's resort to pure thermodynamics to try to explain historical/political/social facts, something very typical of "authentic Marxism", by the way, he...) to eliminate war, injustice and poverty from the other's house..., or to inflate your fears to unsuspected limits from the comfort of a room with a keyboard?

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                                Originally posted by Gypsy Nirvana View Post
                                - You shouldn't be questioning your intelligence Montuno - so far I am quite impressed with your ability to continue this conversation - when its fairly obvious that English is not your Mother tongue - but I must admit - that the translation leaves much to be desired - since it looks like its far from perfect -

                                - what are these 'curious racial classifications' - which you seem to have attributed to me? - 'Not White Hispanic' - what's that all about ?

                                - Can we get you off the 'race' waggon - and onto the Mass Immigration one? -
                                Cierto y te ruego lo tengas en cuenta. Puedo ver como un simple término desvirtúa toda la traducción. Por eso estoy escribiendo primero en mi lengua materna.
                                Te aclaro que aunque "combata" tus ideas con argumentos irónicos, mi tono es de total respeto.

                                En cuanto a la "clasificación racial" que publicaste, es la segunda vez ya que pones en duda el haberla publicado. Lo hiciste antes en otro hilo (no se si el de "Black lives" o en el de "Socialismo", y otros miembros y yo tuvimos que recordarte que si lo hiciste. Yo no atribuiría una idea tan desagradable para mi a un inocente de haberlo echo: me estarías llamando algo mucho peor que mentiroso...
                                Salud para todos.

                                True, and I ask you to bear this in mind. I can see how a simple term distorts the whole translation. That is why I am writing first in my mother tongue.
                                I would like to make it clear that even though I "fight" your ideas with ironic arguments, my tone is one of total respect.

                                As for the "racial classification" you published, this is the second time as you question whether you published it. You did it before in another thread (I don't know if "Black lives" or "Socialism", and other members and I had to remind you that you did. I wouldn't attribute such an unpleasant idea for me to an innocent person if I had done it: you would be calling me something much worse than a liar...
                                Cheers to you all.

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