NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THIS - The Kalergi Plan.

[Montuno]

But, Gypsy, my grandparents were sick and tired of hearing an early version of the delirium you raise here, and from the hands of none other than someone like Francisco Franco, "Hitler and Mussolini's little short friend":
"The Judeo-Mason-Communist conspiracy intends to erase the sacrosanct Christian identity of Europe..."....
Only he speaks of "hordes from the East" and I don't know if you think more of Muslims....

...And it also sounds similar to the "theories" that led the far-right terrorist Anders Breivik to murder at least 77 Swedish socialists, only ten years ago...
...the bastard even claimed to be inspired by the "Christian Reconquest of Muslim Spain and the Cid Campeador"... Surely ignoring that the Cid was also the maximum leader of the army of the Hispano-Islamic Kingdom of Saragossa...

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[Gypsy Nirvana]

It is what people call 'a conspiracy theory' Muntono - so it is up to the reader to check any facts - and do some research to confirm or deny any claims made within it - no-one I know will take the claims within this 'theory' as truth without checking on its contents - and even then there could be doubt - or sheer disbelief - so make of it what you will -

- Yes we have had many problems amongst the Abrahamic religions throughout history - with many slaughtered in the name of their particular deity - and mass indoctrination still goes on to this day in these religions - so creating multi-generational divisions between us - since one mans prophet is another's terrorist - so spawning more violence and discontent from generation to generation -

- maybe its just the turn of the west to receive 'hordes from the east' - after the east received 'hordes from the west' in the past? - as inevitably the world changes and becomes more mixed in time -

 

[Montuno]

(Joking):

Oh, my comrade...
...Let me give you some advice, no longer as Political Commissar of the Party in ICMag, but as a "friend":
Stop conspiring and dedicate yourself to enjoying your golden years: do like the rest of your rich compatriots and come to the Costa del Sol to spend your retirement between sangrias, paellas, marijuana, and girls in top-less on the beach...The mansion that your countryman Sean Connery had to abandon when he fled to the Bahamas, I think it is still free...
...And don't worry, for every ten speedboats that disturb your rest by suicidally boarding the beach, only one brings illegal African immigrants...the remaining nine bring hashish or coke...

We will also NOT extradite you to the USA: ask Mr. Nice...

Oh, and bring some of that ganja of yours, if you're coming!

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Pd:
Ask for "los primos / the cousins" to meet us...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QDF2QsWM7jo

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- conspiring? - rich compatriots? - retiring?

- Perhaps you see a different picture to my reality for I'm not conspiring - have no rich compatriots - and cannot retire due to having to support my wife and children - who are studying/in school in London - but currently can only study online due to covid -

- Sure - a nice dream it would be to retire and live in a big house on the Costa Del Sol - living the Sangria lifestyle - but I simply cannot afford to do that currently - its beyond my means -

- Hmmm - maybe a couple of speed-boats full of hash could change all of that - lol

 

[Montuno]

(Continue joking)

How! ...And me bragging to my cousins that I was talking to the boss of a cannabis emporium on the internet.... (You must be doing something wrong if your aren't rich; ask Arjan...)
...Well, if you're poor, it's better to forget about coming here to enjoy yourself: you've gone from being an entertaining tourist to being an economic immigrant (and if you also bring the whole family with you, it can almost be defined as mass immigration, no?,heh...). For the poor, we have enough to do... And on top of that you are from another culture, who knows if you don't start corrupting our customs by frying with butter instead of olive oil, and end up profaning our most sacrosanct identity, putting a Gareth F. Bale shirt with the Welsh national team, to the Virgin of the Macarena for the Easter parade...

...Well, Gypsy, the cousins say that calling you Gypsy (a gypsy who spreads paranoid conspiracies about human migrations, heh...), and you being poor too, you can come, if you want; we'll make room for you in our little shack, and we'll put your plate of stew...


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[Gypsy Nirvana]

- I would rather stay here really in my homeland after being an immigrant twice in my life - once to the United States - and once to The Philippines - both of which did not end well for me - in fact my last attempt at being an immigrant ended badly with 30 months in immigration detention in Manila - due to the fact that the USA regarded me as a 'Fugitive' - and so had the Philippine authorities arrest and detain me - until Mr Nice (Howard Marks) intervened - and got some friend in the UK diplomatic corps to help me deport back to the UK - where the USA still tried to extradite me for 'seed crimes' - but eventually failed - due to there not being dual criminality with cannabis seed possession and distribution between the UK and USA - so I am probably safer here in the UK at this time -

- You can keep your olive oil - 'cos I prefer butter -

- as for spreading paranoid conspiracies - I disagree - for I am neither paranoid nor spreading anything - just putting out what I consider to be interesting alternative explanations - for why we have mass immigration/multi-culturalism - whether true or not - I will leave that for the reader to discern -

- Instead of lambasting me for these supposed paranoid conspiracies - which I had no hand in creating - how about you trying to de-bunk The Kalergi Plan - by disproving any of the contents of this 'conspiracy theory' - rather than criticizing me for putting it here in the first place?

- Attack the ball - not the man -

(Continue joking)

How! ...And me bragging to my cousins that I was talking to the boss of a cannabis emporium on the internet.... (You must be doing something wrong if your aren't rich; ask Arjan...)
...Well, if you're poor, it's better to forget about coming here to enjoy yourself: you've gone from being an entertaining tourist to being an economic immigrant (and if you also bring the whole family with you, it can almost be defined as mass immigration, no?,heh...). For the poor, we have enough to do... And on top of that you are from another culture, who knows if you don't start corrupting our customs by frying with butter instead of olive oil, and end up profaning our most sacrosanct identity, putting a Gareth F. Bale shirt with the Welsh national team, to the Virgin of the Macarena for the Easter parade...

...Well, Gypsy, the cousins say that calling you Gypsy (a gypsy who spreads paranoid conspiracies about human migrations, heh...), and you being poor too, you can come, if you want; we'll make room for you in our little shack, and we'll put your plate of stew...


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[Montuno]

1): Don't feel attacked. I know that the translation makes you lose that nuance and that's why I warned you with the (joking). Anyway, I know you are intelligent enough (from other conversations with you) to appreciate and maintain that tone too... If you reread me well (last message, same) you will see how I also criticize and laugh at the positions of "my own"...

2°) Curious that you have had problems emigrating to the lands of Trump and Duterte, two presidents who believe in "theories" like the one you not only expound, but also defend, taking sides with it.
Seriously, I am very sorry for your problems in the Philippines. I know that the prisons there are the worst.
And look, I think it would be much more interesting if you could tell us about the drift towards terrorcracy in the islands, for example, rather than about these delusional plans... I have a friend from Busay (Cebu) and friends from a Hispanic-Philippine cultural association, and they are terrified about the situation...

3°)You ask me to give you arguments against your assertions ....
OK; the first one against frying with butter: you go from providing a beneficial fat to the organism to a very harmful one... apart from the taste...
...And for everything more you say in the rest of the thread... Let's save time: I'm going to give you the same advice that a Nobel prize winner gave to a US president, when the latter invited the former to debate in private ahbout things like this, of the clash of cultures or/and their coexistence...or like the evil in humanity, and how to fight it...
- "Read a book entitled El ingenioso hidalgo Don Quijote de la Mancha, by a certain Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra.... There it was all there, Sir..." -
Well, that's it; you'll see how it is "more than relevant"... And if you don't believe me, ask a certain Shakespeare...

Goodbye, with best wishes to all.

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[Hrpuffnkush]

man o man , A LOT of people are ripe for low iq brainwashing .... the rich need to you buy there crap.. , consume , there not gonna get rid of anything . were the consumers .. Nutts .... weed site turns in to a conspiracy site. ..... bummer and sad

 

[Hrpuffnkush]

Anything with value has risks ....
You know the risks when you play THE GAME...
Can't blame the game for your Losing

Those are just cop outs for getting caught slipping or just plain ol bad luck ...
100% way to avoid that is Dont Play , .......

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- Well - when I arrived in the USA in 1977 Jimmy Carter was President - and when I left in 1982 Ronald Reagan was in the White House - so I don't get what those two have to do with the recently deposed US President - other than being Presidents -

- Yes - I married an American lady when I was 17 and emigrated to her country obtaining a 'Green Card' along the way - 4 and a half years later after being hospitalized with gunshot and machete wounds courtesy of a couple of illegal immigrant Mexicans from Chiapas high on PCP and tequila - I returned to England with something akin to PTSD - physically I recovered after a couple of months in San Francisco General Hospital - but it took some time to recover my mental faculties at my Mothers home in the UK - and even to this day it leaves a dark shadow in my memory -

- When I first arrived in the Philippines ( late 1983) Ferdinand Marcos was the President - and I was then based in Hong Kong - and over the following decades would often return to the P.I.'s (Philippine Islands) to go scuba diving and travelling all over those gorgeous islands - until 2006 when I emigrated to the PI's and settled on a 6 hectare coconut farm facing the Sulu Sea on Palawan - found the love of my life - and we started our own 'breeding project' - having two beautiful children that show much hybrid vigour - even to this day -

- Duterte' became the Philippine President about one month after I managed to deport from that ex-Marcos era death camp I had been detained within (Camp Bagong Diwa) for 30 months - so I was not there to see what went down immediately after he became President - but heard about it from friends and relatives still living in the PI's - and was glad that I got out in time - not sure how you think that anything concerning Duterte' applies to me at all - He was known as the murderer of Davao (Mindanao) long before he got into Malacañang Palace - when he was Mayor of Davao - and he set up hit squads of police and henchmen to extra-judicially murder anyone they thought was an illegal drug user (bloody awful) - and I did meet some family members of those that were murdered by him and his gang when I was in Davao - years before he ever became President -

- You state that I am 'taking sides' with this 'delusional' theory - well it does seem plausible - and I have done much fact-checking myself to try and de-bunk it - how about you do the same? - perhaps you will find claimed facts within it that are not true - and I would like to see that - since this Kalergi Plan is the topic of this thread -

- I will try and get an English translation of this book you recommend - and would like to recommend a book to you called 'The Creature from Jekyll Island' - here is a link to it in English: (perhaps you would need a Spanish translation to be able to really understand it?)

https://www.chinhnghia.com/The-Creature-from-Jekyll-Island-by-G.-Edward-Griffin.pdf

- Appropriate salutations -

1): Don't feel attacked. I know that the translation makes you lose that nuance and that's why I warned you with the (joking). Anyway, I know you are intelligent enough (from other conversations with you) to appreciate and maintain that tone too... If you reread me well (last message, same) you will see how I also criticize and laugh at the positions of "my own"...

2°) Curious that you have had problems emigrating to the lands of Trump and Duterte, two presidents who believe in "theories" like the one you not only expound, but also defend, taking sides with it.
Seriously, I am very sorry for your problems in the Philippines. I know that the prisons there are the worst.
And look, I think it would be much more interesting if you could tell us about the drift towards terrorcracy in the islands, for example, rather than about these delusional plans... I have a friend from Busay (Cebu) and friends from a Hispanic-Philippine cultural association, and they are terrified about the situation...

3°)You ask me to give you arguments against your assertions ....
OK; the first one against frying with butter: you go from providing a beneficial fat to the organism to a very harmful one... apart from the taste...
...And for everything more you say in the rest of the thread... Let's save time: I'm going to give you the same advice that a Nobel prize winner gave to a US president, when the latter invited the former to debate in private ahbout things like this, of the clash of cultures or/and their coexistence...or like the evil in humanity, and how to fight it...
- "Read a book entitled El ingenioso hidalgo Don Quijote de la Mancha, by a certain Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra.... There it was all there, Sir..." -
Well, that's it; you'll see how it is "more than relevant"... And if you don't believe me, ask a certain Shakespeare...

Goodbye, with best wishes to all.

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[Montuno]

Comparto la critica de Griffin a lo que el llama "Mecanismo de Mandrake". Eso ya se critica también desde un punto de vista marxista, ecologista, o simplemente termodinámico...
No comparto su solución: más capitalismo salvaje.

Otra forma de exponer y abordar el problema del " Mecanismo de Mandrake" se aborda en esta película :"El Concursante". Te enlazo el tráiler/resumen de la idea en español, a la espera que pueda enlazarte la película completa en tu idioma...

Mucha salud.


I share Griffin's criticism of what he calls the "Mandrake mechanism". This is also criticised from a Marxist, ecologist or simply thermodynamic point of view...
I do not share his solution: more savage capitalism.

Another way of exposing and approaching the problem of "Mandrake's Mechanism" is dealt with in this film: "The Contestant". I link you the trailer/summary of the idea in Spanish, while waiting that I can link you the complete film in your language...

Cheers.

" El Concursante / The Contenstan" (tráiler/summary):
Highly recommended.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ezcWNpU1HGA

 

[Montuno]

- Well (...)
- I will try and get an English translation of this book you recommend - and would like to recommend a book to you called 'The Creature from Jekyll Island' - here is a link to it in English: (perhaps you would need a Spanish translation to be able to really understand it?)

https://www.chinhnghia.com/The-Creature-from-Jekyll-Island-by-G.-Edward-Griffin.pdf

- Appropriate salutations -

I don't think you will find it difficult; it is the second most edited and most translated book in the world and in the largest number of languages, after the Bible.
But look for a reputable translation.
A bad translation loses many of the overlapping meanings of the text, and the beauty of the language.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- Ahh - The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote of La Mancha - I did read this book in my teens and was impressed back then - but alas the memory fades on the details - so perhaps I should read about Don Quixote once again?

- what I do recall is that the book was partly about chivalry and the dissolution surrounding that - with a central ethic where-by individuals can be right while society is quite wrong and seen as particularly disenchanting - kind of how I feel about things lately -

 

[Montuno]

- Ahh - The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote of La Mancha - I did read this book in my teens and was impressed back then - but alas the memory fades on the details - so perhaps I should read about Don Quixote once again?

- what I do recall is that the book was partly about chivalry and the dissolution surrounding that - with a central ethic where-by individuals can be right while society is quite wrong and seen as particularly disenchanting - kind of how I feel about things lately -

-"...Y mire, vuestra merced Gypsy Nirvana, que también mi señor Don Quijote, al atardecer de sus días, fue arrebatado por la misma maravillosa y sublime locura de salir a deshacer entuertos, a defender indefensos, a liberar exclavos, a vencer a los opresores y a ser abanderado del bien y la justicia... Pero mire vuestra merced, que aquellos que usted llama gigantes y dice que el malvado hechizero Kalergi ha echo materializarse en su camino, agitando sus amenazantes brazos, no son en realidad sino molinos de viento, cuyas aspas al girar le molestan su paso..."- te diría el bueno y fiel Sancho...

...Quizá abordar el problema de la "inmigracion masiva" cargando contra el a galope y con la lanza en ristre como si fuera gigante de Kalergi no solo no solucione el problema real, sino que acabemos descalabrados por el suelo... Quizá haya que abordar el obstáculo bajándose de Rocinante, entrando en el molino, y parando su mecanismo...
Bien se que bloquear el mecanismo de giro de un molino de viento suena menos épico y heroico que embestirlos cual gigantes... Pero es lo único realmente efectivo.

-"Haga oídos y caso, vuestra merced, a mi primo Montuno y a este humilde servidor, vuestro Sancho...que aunque no sea mas que un destripaterrones y arreador de burros y cabras, bien se que cuando se nos encara un perro alano, el transmutarlo en nuestras imaginaderas en león, no va a evitar que el perro nos muerda en presa, ni aunque nos lo imaginemos como gato..."-

(Excuse me, but the autotranslator is not able to translate this properly).

Mucha salud : Best health to you.

 

[Montuno]

- Ahh - The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote of La Mancha - I did read this book in my teens and was impressed back then - but alas the memory fades on the details - so perhaps I should read about Don Quixote once again?

- what I do recall is that the book was partly about chivalry and the dissolution surrounding that - with a central ethic where-by individuals can be right while society is quite wrong and seen as particularly disenchanting - kind of how I feel about things lately -

Curiously, Cervantes' life has more than one parallel with yours:
On the same vital stage as yours today, when it seemed he had already written and given of himself all he could, he invented the genre of the modern novel (and reached the pinnacle of the genre, at the same time) by devising "Don Quixote". Indeed, he was going through a period of deep bitterness with the society, morals and government of the Spain of his time... He had also been imprisoned just before writing his book (he, who was nothing less than a war hero against the Turks in the colossal Battle of Lepanto, where he lost the use of one hand...)...

 

[Montuno]

On the specific subject of this thread, logically the Cervantes of his time is oblivious to the term "mass emigration".
But the "struggle/clash/coexistence" between civilisations, cultures and religions will mark his life. And in a much more "conflictive" time than ours, when twice (first in the Greek waters of Lepanto, and then at the very gates of Vienna), Spain was forced to become the leader of the fight against the Turkish invasion of Eastern Europe (in the face of the "passivity" or even "sympathy for the invasion" of other Western European states such as France...).
Cervantes will be a hero in the defeat of the Turks at Lepanto, where he will lose the use of a hand in the boarding and assault of a Turkish galley.
And when he was returning to celebrate the victory in Spain, his ship was attacked by an Algerian squadron (allies of the Turks), and he spent years as a prisoner of war in the harsh prisons of Algiers (later, he will be prisioner in Spain, too)...

...And even with all that, plus the religious intransigence of his time, and the fact that Cervantes was a patriot like few others, it is worth mentioning the justice, sense of ethics, of moderation, and even of "empathy" with the "other" or the "enemy", with which he treats the subject when it comes up in "Don Quixote"...

 

[Montuno]

I, honestly, see in all of this re-floating and bombardment of pseudo-mystical plans of the current ultra-right, the same thing that happened with the rise of fascism in Europe : an attempt to penetrate and exacerbate the lower socio-economic classes (traditional left-wing voters), diverting their attention from the real source of complex socio-economic and political problems (of which the ultra-right is partly to blame and benefits from) to phantoms, while gaining support among these social classes makes it possible for them to climb to power. .. They are achieving this goal in different countries at the same time, as before World War II....

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Hey Montuno - I wanted to pass this link to you about these 9 videos recently passed to me by a respected ICMAG member - so far I have watched 5 of them - and I must say that they have made me feel amazed/alarmed and confused and uncomfortable to some extent - because if there is any truth there (could it all be mere propaganda?) - then all I was taught at school about the history of the past 200 years or so was lies and more lies -

- Before watching these vids - I did have a distinct feeling that the history we had been taught had been messed with and massaged - with many crucial points omitted - 'The Victors Write the History' etc -

- Can you view them - and let me know what you think regarding them? - the 5th video is the one discussing Coudenhove-Kalergi - yes there is much to view - perhaps 9 hours or more in all! - but I am working my way thru them - amazed and alarmed/confused - all at the same time - please don't watch them - unless you want to question most everything you have ever learned so far about our history/politics - because you may end up like I feel now - dazed and confused -

https://archive.org/details/EUROPATh...e+-+Part+1.mp4


* these vids do kinda back up my idea that humanity is still very tribal - with the top very organized tribe organizing how we are educated in the schools/colleges and universities - controlling most all finance and media - and most institutions/corporations and politicians globally - please fact check whatever claims are stated - and keep an open mind - which is essential to reason why -

** and a comment from the new USA President Joe Biden -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbn4i7_CFIM

 

[imiubu]

Hey Montuno - I wanted to pass this link to you about these 9 videos recently passed to me by a respected ICMAG member - so far I have watched 5 of them - and I must say that they have made me feel amazed/alarmed and confused and uncomfortable to some extent - because if there is any truth there (could it all be mere propaganda?) - then all I was taught at school about the history of the past 200 years or so was lies and more lies -

- Before watching these vids - I did have a distinct feeling that the history we had been taught had been messed with and massaged - with many crucial points omitted - 'The Victors Write the History' etc -

- Can you view them - and let me know what you think regarding them? - the 5th video is the one discussing Coudenhove-Kalergi - yes there is much to view - perhaps 9 hours or more in all! - but I am working my way thru them - amazed and alarmed/confused - all at the same time - please don't watch them - unless you want to question most everything you have ever learned so far about our history/politics - because you may end up like I feel now - dazed and confused -

https://archive.org/details/EUROPATh...e+-+Part+1.mp4


* these vids do kinda back up my idea that humanity is still very tribal - with the top very organized tribe organizing how we are educated in the schools/colleges and universities - controlling most all finance and media - and most institutions/corporations and politicians globally - please fact check whatever claims are stated - and keep an open mind - which is essential to reason why -

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** and a comment from the new USA President Joe Biden -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbn4i7_CFIM

I am interested but the archive dot org link has returned with an error.

"The item you have requested had an error: Item cannot be found. which prevents us from displaying this page.
Items may be taken down for various reasons, including by decision of the uploader or due to a violation of our Terms of Use."

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

https://archive.org/details/EUROPATheLastBattle/EUROPA+-+The+Last+Battle+-+Part+1.mp4

- Try that link imiubu - it works for me -