Marjorie Taylor Greene thinks capitalism is socialism

[mean mr.mustard]

There's a certain type of person that could care less about others.

We're being polarized against each other and it is glaringly obvious.

There's always been people who believe that hard work is all you need to be capable of to make it in this country.

In reality there's a lot of people who don't have much and a few that have way too much and that disparity is going to get worse.

Capitalism is not any friendlier than socialism.

Listen to how citizens react to homeless camps being shut down and you can bet on which party they typically vote for.

It's not profitable to give a shit if you're just after money.

We've sold our soul and some people just want paid.

 

[EastCoastGambit]

There is a difference between hard work and ambition. Lots of folks work hard and earn very little. Other folks work very hard at one thing, stacking bills. And the problem is we praise and admire wealth as the main signaler of success. You can be wealthy selling fentanyl and killing people, should that be applauded? You can be wealthy destroying clean rivers and drinking water, should that be praised?

Some are just ambitious and don't even work hard, they just con and swindle people and/or are fraudsters. Others just inherit positions of power/wealth from the generation before.

Bottom line, greed is rewarded, admired, and encouraged. I need to have the biggest house, the hottest wife, and expensive cars. How is that Christian (speaking to the conservative rich religious zealots) We idolize these folks with their luxury status symbol bullshit like it really means something. I can respect a pop star or Hollywood actor, supermodel, or sports star for the work they do - but don't feel the need to put these people on a pedestal and track their every move, relationship, or social media post. Too many people are living in La La Land obsessing over these people's images and projections but thats just my opinion, maybe its a nice distraction.

I think a better measure of success would be virtue. Do you have balance in work, society, family, and health? Do your actions align with the natural order?

One main critique of socialism is that no one would want to excel or put forth their best effort because what is the point if you cant reap personal reward for "being better" I think certain people would want to contribute their best regardless because of altruism, giving the most of themselves for the betterment of the whole (though this is not generally promoted) You could still be individually recognized for your contribution to society. This is not in everyone's nature hence why socialism is probably too utopian. Imagine contributing not for personal gain economically -- unfathomable.

So where I see a form of socialism working could be employee owned enterprises. Everyone has a stake in the success of the company. If someone is riding of the coat tails of the collective others' hard work then they will be removed. You invest in one another to deliver the best product or service and all reap the rewards. Teamwork makes the dream work.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I only know of a couple co-op businesses and they are very successful.

 

[GOT_BUD?]

What I love about all the "anti-socialists" is how scared and worked up they get about an idea. While I believe socialism as a system never really worked because unfortunately it doesn't really jive with human nature. However, I have observed plenty of downfalls of capitalism and pure capitalists would have no problem ruining anyone else's lives to improve their own, they hardly pretend to care about the poor and will work people to the grave.

I think the greater issue is for the "system" to function all the gears need to turn. That said - people need to work but we are short on industry and jobs. Jobs are being replaced by machines, robots, AI, and not to mention all the outsourcing. So when consumers no longer have the means to purchase goods and services the owner's class loses the folks that fund their livings. I kind of think of it like a game of monopoly, once one person obtains all the wealth the game is over.

I feel a better way of moving forward is to kind of evolve and realize that maybe we don't all have to work/slave as hard and could spend more time with family and enjoying arts and culture. We could value more than our wealth and egos and can meet our basic needs more easily through the wonders of technology. This is what intimidates the status quo, because there are so many out there that were taught its me against you or us against them.

The middle class is disappearing. The world is globally connected. We need to change our ways for our fellow Americans, many of whom are running out of options.

I've often said "Socialism is the guardrails that keeps Capitalism from driving countries off of cliffs." I believe both systems can be utilized to better everybody's lives, not just a select few who happen to be members of the Lucky Sperm Club. And the Nordic countires kind of prove my point. Are they perfect? Fuck no. But their people are far better off than Americans as a whole are.

 

[St. Phatty]

What I love about all the "anti-socialists" is how scared and worked up they get about an idea. While I believe socialism as a system never really worked because unfortunately it doesn't really jive with human nature. However, I have observed plenty of downfalls of capitalism and pure capitalists would have no problem ruining anyone else's lives to improve their own, they hardly pretend to care about the poor and will work people to the grave.

I had a co-worker at Northrop Grumman (funded by US money) about "Socialists" in the US.

I pointed out that being a military contractor meant that we were sucking on the government tit, just as much as any school or road-building project.

He never said another word about that.

 

[armedoldhippy]

I had a co-worker at Northrop Grumman (funded by US money) about "Socialists" in the US.

I pointed out that being a military contractor meant that we were sucking on the government tit, just as much as any school or road-building project.

He never said another word about that.

"socialism" is someone else getting money you wanted...

 

[St. Phatty]

But the US has devolved into a Judeo-Fascist Dictatorship.

Greene is a century behind the times.

 

[Zeez]

I lived and worked in a "Socialist" country for many years.

This thread is ass deep in bullshit. MTG should not be talking "socialism" because she has no clue. Look at a fascist dictatorships where the elites kids go to special schools and your kids get shit because they are destined to be toilet scrubbers for the elites. All you want is a better school for your kids and some Asshole calls you a "socialist".

 

[EastCoastGambit]

Perhaps you could argue that capitalism perpetuates "haves" and "have nots" and many examples of socialism just have a bunch of "have nots"

I just try to be open minded and not petrified or angered by worldviews, philosophy, or systems that I do not fully understand. That stance is for those that have been conditioned to feel threatened and have drunken the cool aid propaganda.

Most of the time those who are threatened (by socialism) are in a slightly better economic standing compared to the bottom rungs of society and are scared to lose what they feel they have earned. Not understanding the systemic issues of the elitist financial system that doesn't give a damn about them as evidenced by the shrinking middle class and enormous growth and consolidation of wealth for the uber wealthy. They also don't understand the enourmaous gap between themselves and high earning people and this is the carrot dangles in front of their eyes disguised an the American dream. But they are being conditioned to blame entitlement programs for this phenomenon instead of realizing that more people are becoming poor as an outcome of poorly managed capitalism, and government, to the point that the government has to subsidize them just to keep this whole rigged system afloat.

This all said, all walks of life and citizens in this country could do better to show class and act with dignity, self-respect, and respect towards others. For example, shoplifting or looting is not anyone's right. We can be better.

 

[Zeez]

If we could have an objective, factual, conversation, leaving stereotypes at the door, it would be an eye opener for many.

 

[armedoldhippy]

"factual" would be the problem...

 

[mean mr.mustard]

"factual" would be the problem...

So would "objective".

But the US has devolved into a Judeo-Fascist Dictatorship.

Greene is a century behind the times.

So are you Goebbels.