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    #61
    Guess who's going to end up paying for those conservative republicans in Texas who think that business can run its self with their independent, unregulated power grid. Yes, that big blue socialist hand will have to come bail them out.

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      #62
      you mean like Solyndra? lol


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        #63
        Originally posted by chilliwilli View Post
        Yeah but now we make an input to those climate cycles in form of co2 that would otherwise not be in the system.
        CO2 has been in the atmosphere in the past at far far greater levels than exist today. It has taken hundreds of millions of years to remove and store that CO2 in organic deposits.

        At peak oil, about 50% (actually less) of the previously stored carbon will have been released back into the atmosphere, meaning we've only added back 1/2 of what previously was removed.

        Sure man is adding carbon back, but that doesn't mean the world will end in your lifetime or in 100 lifetimes. Look at the very right hand side of the linked time line...man's existence would not even be a small dot at the very right side. I am not nearly as concerned about climate change as I am about man causing some other disaster such nuclear armageddon. If you follow geopolitics, you can see that major conflict is in the making as we speak.

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          #64
          El Paso Heeded the Warnings and Avoided a Winter Catastrophe

          The West Texas city was spared the worst effects of this week’s storms, thanks to its preparations in the wake of a devastating 2011 deep freeze.
          https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/el...er-storm-2021/
          That which matters most

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            #65
            Originally posted by Zeez View Post
            Guess who's going to end up paying for those conservative republicans in Texas who think that business can run its self with their independent, unregulated power grid. Yes, that big blue socialist hand will have to come bail them out.

            Nah! The cost will be born by all the millions of texans that now have $2,000 to $10,000 electricity bills for this past billing cycle.

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              #66
              Originally posted by Slim Pickens View Post
              Exactly right.

              How long will it be until Texas is begging for a bailout from the US Gov? Self reliancy sounds great,until you actually have to "pony up",then all of a sudden the attitude changes.

              Can someone explain to me the difference between bailout and handout?
              Texas would be glad to succeed and become the lone star republic, again. It would be the 10th largest economy, and do just fine. A few other states should join in - but not that damn georgia.
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                #67
                Originally posted by flylowgethigh View Post
                Texas would be glad to succeed and become the lone star republic, again. It would be the 10th largest economy, and do just fine. A few other states should join in - but not that damn georgia.
                "Texas would be glad to succeed............." why, yes they would!

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by brickweeder View Post
                  Nah! The cost will be born by all the millions of texans that now have $2,000 to $10,000 electricity bills for this past billing cycle.
                  yeah it's sort of like an IPO but different.
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Gry View Post
                    El Paso Heeded the Warnings and Avoided a Winter Catastrophe

                    The West Texas city was spared the worst effects of this week’s storms, thanks to its preparations in the wake of a devastating 2011 deep freeze.
                    https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/el...er-storm-2021/
                    Good to hear it wasn’t the whole state paying for poor choices in their infrastructure. Was kind of hard to believe the entire state was independent. Made me wonder what the rest of the states KWh cost was, since they had total control of the supply. 10.3 cents a kWh is the Texas average, 31st in U.S ranking. I remember .08 kWh at other places I lived, never realized how good I had it.

                    Contrast that with California, .24 kWh for first 100 hours, .31 kWh for the next approx 100 hrs, then .41 kWh for next 100 and above, plus they send a letter chastising you for your “excess” usage, “high” as they phrase it.

                    Georgia has some good people, was looking for a place to park and sleep south of Valdosta, ended up breaking off my VW bumper that had a trailer attached to it. Walked up a driveway about 9 pm on a Sunday night, a few older guys were drinking beer in their garage. One owned the local hardware store, took me down there and let me get some parts to fix the bumper. Doesn’t get much better than that when your broke down

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by St. Phatty View Post
                      yeah it's sort of like an IPO but different.

                      or like shorting gamestop at $15/share but getting squeezed out at $300+

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by brickweeder View Post
                        CO2 has been in the atmosphere in the past at far far greater levels than exist today. It has taken hundreds of millions of years to remove and store that CO2 in organic deposits.

                        At peak oil, about 50% (actually less) of the previously stored carbon will have been released back into the atmosphere, meaning we've only added back 1/2 of what previously was removed.

                        Sure man is adding carbon back, but that doesn't mean the world will end in your lifetime or in 100 lifetimes. Look at the very right hand side of the linked time line...man's existence would not even be a small dot at the very right side. I am not nearly as concerned about climate change as I am about man causing some other disaster such nuclear armageddon. If you follow geopolitics, you can see that major conflict is in the making as we speak.
                        Don't get your logic. The carbon deposits are from differen times so releasing half the carbon that is stored in the ground would fill up the system to never before reached levels of greenhouse gases.

                        Yeah there have always been co2 fluctuations like volcano erruptions that have changed the climate. Most of the time followed by mass extinction events. The last time the climate got warmer gave rise to the mammals.
                        Always thought we wont see the climate change but our children or grandchildren will have to. Not so sure about that any more. I think in 1 generations our planet is so fucked that we will go through the first(hope the last) human caused mass extinction event. But hey the next dominant species maybe won't be such a short sighted ape.

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                          #72
                          Originally posted by chilliwilli View Post
                          Don't get your logic. The carbon deposits are from differen times so releasing half the carbon that is stored in the ground would fill up the system to never before reached levels of greenhouse gases.

                          Yeah there have always been co2 fluctuations like volcano erruptions that have changed the climate. Most of the time followed by mass extinction events. The last time the climate got warmer gave rise to the mammals.
                          Always thought we wont see the climate change but our children or grandchildren will have to. Not so sure about that any more. I think in 1 generations our planet is so fucked that we will go through the first(hope the last) human caused mass extinction event. But hey the next dominant species maybe won't be such a short sighted ape.
                          Sorry about the tome below. I see what u mean about the carbon deposits being from different times. I view the earth as a hugely buffered system, so changes occur very slowly and things take substantially more time than a few generations to manifest itself. If there is a mass extinction event in 1 generation, it will not likely be from climate change.

                          The entire world is powered by fossil fuels, and we have arguably already reached peak oil. I can’t remember the SAIC guy that did the peak oil study for the DOE, but his point was that we needed to be well on our way to shifting to non-fossil fuels before the peak or we may not make it to a transformation before scarcity results in shortages. Think food. The current situation where it takes about 10 calories of fossil fuel to produce and deliver 1 calorie of food to the store near you is not sustainable, especially after the peak is hit. So I view the threat of climate change as not immediate, but the effects of fossil fuel shortages in a world that absolutely depends on fossil fuels to eat as the far more likely problem we will face in the next 25-50 years, assuming we don’t nuke ourselves first.

                          Texans will recover just fine from the recent freeze and be better prepared next winter. But when the oil runs low, problems will not be confined to winter.

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                            #73
                            I think those buffering systems for the climate gave us a false feeling of everything is ok how we do it. Fundamental changes only show up near the tipping point. But i'm not sure if the effect of the loss of those puffers is underestimated. Like how much co2 and methan is really stored in the thawing permafrost or how will ocean currents change when there is no more ice in the north.
                            I also think that changes to our system are not easy made. If all germans would switch to electric cars and only 10% decided to charge their car at onces germany would need a electric grid 3 times larger than they already have only for that charging.
                            Maybe growing the fuel could help and won't require much changes to our system. Hemp makes 4 times the biomass in a year compared to a forest. So crisper some mo up that digest that biomass into fuel and we won't have to blow more co2 in our system.

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                              #74
                              Originally posted by brickweeder View Post
                              Sorry about the tome below. I see what u mean about the carbon deposits being from different times. I view the earth as a hugely buffered system, so changes occur very slowly and things take substantially more time than a few generations to manifest itself. If there is a mass extinction event in 1 generation, it will not likely be from climate change.

                              The entire world is powered by fossil fuels, and we have arguably already reached peak oil. I can’t remember the SAIC guy that did the peak oil study for the DOE, but his point was that we needed to be well on our way to shifting to non-fossil fuels before the peak or we may not make it to a transformation before scarcity results in shortages.

                              Robert Hirsch.

                              Amazing that people think the transition to non-traditional oil is evidence that Peak traditional Oil didn't or won't happen.
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