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    Toads for depression!!!

    I hope this is not taboo topic, but it is important to me, who has suffered from depression for over 20 years, with no help from prozac, which is all they gave me.

    Please delete if offensive. They have used ayahuasca for centuries in south america for spiritual reasons, which has similar chemicals. The stuff on toads is 20 times stronger.

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    - <conjures up thoughts of licking toads > Isn't it strong for a reason? - maybe to poison anyone or anything who tried to EAT TOAD -

    Many animals and insects use some sort of poison as a deterrent - if we take just enough of the venom/poison - will we just get high - instead of die?
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      #3
      Similar to iboga, shrooms, dmt etc it induces extreme changes in neural plasticity often allowing for nervous systems to grow around old problems.
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        #4
        Originally posted by Lost in a SOG View Post
        Similar to iboga, shrooms, dmt etc it induces extreme changes in neural plasticity often allowing for nervous systems to grow around old problems.

        For us laidmen....I mean laymen , what does that mean?
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          #5
          Originally posted by Lost in a SOG View Post
          Similar to iboga, shrooms, dmt etc it induces extreme changes in neural plasticity often allowing for nervous systems to grow around old problems.
          .....the ability of the central nervous system (CNS) to adapt in response to changes in the environment or lesions

          There are better SSRI's out there besides Prozac. SNRIs, MOI's. Everything involving Central Nervous System is going to have side effects.

          Trying to properly dose with toads, shrooms....start with low dose and see how you function. It takes 3-6 weeks for Rx to re calibrate brain chemistry.
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            #6
            Originally posted by dddaver View Post
            For us laidmen....I mean laymen , what does that mean?
            Alcoholism, depression and a host of other mental issues are defined by a rigidity in how the brain functions. You are "stuck in a rut", figuratively and literally. The neural pathways become well worn, trodden and difficult to breach.

            Psychdelics allow a reset, let the mind flow how it once did, as during childhood. The effect is not permanent and appears to wane within weeks or monthes yet it offers a glimpse of another path that one can work back towards.

            To anyone curious on the subject I would recommend Michael Pollan's How to Change Your Mind. There are many references to other works for further reading.

            I am currently on Hofmann's My Problem Child and recommend it, although the direction is wholly different, it is another piece of the same puzzle.

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              I prefer shrooms in weekly micro-doses.
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                #8
                My biggest worry is of the 42 people they gave it to, only 24 showed up 4 weeks later to do the follow up tests? And they didn't research why people didn't show, just kind of said okay, well we're good. What if they all died? And I mean even if they didn't die and just had a shitty experience, that data is part of the experiment. By removing it it skews the data in the other direction.
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                  #9
                  I saw a episode of a world wide drug series ... the host was an Hindu/American guy who did a Marijuana series too. All of you drug experts would have seen it no doubt. He took Toad in central america somewhere. Had a magical experience. He was at Peace!

                  On the other hand here in Oz, we have the imported Bufo Marinus (Cane Toad) a small piece of which will kill anything. It has decimated the native wildlife.

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                    #10
                    Vice?

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                      #11
                      G `day Teddy

                      The Toads they are referring to have DMT like contained in Ayuasca brews in their poison glands .
                      Difference is the Ayuasca needs another plant with it to activate the DMT in our stomachs. But by collecting the toad excretions , drying them and smoking . The DMT activates alone .

                      Mike Tyson says it has changed his life for the better .

                      Mike Tyson on smoking DMT: ‘Do you understand the toad?’ | The Art of Conversation w/ Dan Le Batard


                      Thanks for sharin

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                      Such is life ...

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                        #12
                        When my dad was living in Costa Rica, we had a dog (strays are everywhere there, they adopt you not the other way around) who was pretty much addicted to licking the toads. She'd find one, back it into a corner so it'd be all defensive, then she'd munch on it a bit. Very shortly after she'd lay down in an almost catatonic state, drooling and twitching for about 30-40 minutes. Once that was done she did seem very happy and content in life. I've also had the pleasure of experiencing DMT, though not via the cane toad but smoking "Changa", MAOI containing herbs mixed with DMT. The experience is very much resetting and introspective. It's also the most intense psychedelic experience I've ever had, I'd liken it to traveling to another dimension.
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                          #13
                          I know 5MeO-DMT is the active component found in the Sonora desert toads pimples but it's hard core man, really. It's a bit like DMT's evil twin, very similar in effects but less colourful and even more scary. If you want to experience the good that's the way to go but Hayahuasca or DMT are much more casual to start with if you want to go that path. Also the Central African plant iboga is gaining attention tasoday a scary but life changing experience, helped several people who struggled to quit heroin for instance. whatever I wouldn't recommendto lick a toad without some good information first but yes, maybe a shock treatment but no magical reset pill, would probably do wonders if psychiatrists with enough background for bringing good guidance were allowed to use it clinically on their patients though.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Gypsy Nirvana View Post
                            - <conjures up thoughts of licking toads > Isn't it strong for a reason? - maybe to poison anyone or anything who tried to EAT TOAD -

                            Many animals and insects use some sort of poison as a deterrent - if we take just enough of the venom/poison - will we just get high - instead of die?
                            DMT is a natural chemical found in our bodies in very small amounts. 5-MEO-DMT is about 20 times stronger.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Teddybrae View Post
                              I saw a episode of a world wide drug series ... the host was an Hindu/American guy who did a Marijuana series too. All of you drug experts would have seen it no doubt. He took Toad in central america somewhere. Had a magical experience. He was at Peace!

                              On the other hand here in Oz, we have the imported Bufo Marinus (Cane Toad) a small piece of which will kill anything. It has decimated the native wildlife.
                              Hamiltons Pharmacopia on Viceland. He traveled the world experiencing various halucinogens with indigenous people doing it for centuries.

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