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  • Guest's Avatar
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    Hi guys first off i think facts need to be stated and corrected .

    HHF
    Dont you remember the seeds sent to Shanti, half the stocks? they where handed on and handed on as they dont have time for them or the will for that work according to Kashgari, i believe that too, as the collectors of our Colombians sent seeds of many lines there too, none has ever been preserved or shared on to our knowledge.


    Shanti was not given half the stock shanti and nev were given x amount ot1 was given x amount and pacific who called wolfman a thief was also given x amount off seed as were a few others around the world 1 of that lot were the spanish guys.

    This hole thing from the very start was ugly erly on when pacific posted soon as the post started in shantis forum at cw and called wolfman a thief.

    Pacific infact gave the seeds away to wolfman i rember reading the post were pacific posted offering an old sat line as she could not grow them were she was no mention of wonting seed back or any such thing.

    A few years later Gant shows up posts saying how the seeds from wolfman were going to be offerd and pacific posted calling him (wolfman) a thif bad karma from ward go.

    I was one of the first to be offerd the sed i sed no and eny one that knows me knows im a sativa head why did i say no well i lost all respect for pacific a little time before this and i was going to send some Neviles haze f2s as she was looking to find a male haze to use in breeding reson why i then changed my mind is best left quiet becouse it will make this shit fest look small and open up a ugly side to the community few need in short .

    I have had some wards with HHF and he will be the first to tell you i started a post at a diffrent site about this line only as my name was draged into it and as i couldnt not post here i started a post there he as do others know how i feel about this lines authenticity but i wont even go there as i came to the relisation time will sort all out karma dont come wen you expect it .

    As for zamalito i dont know much of the guy but he seams okay.


    What i dont understanmd is why are you all argueing over a strain that was made by a guy ( wolfman ) and past out to be sheard and past around to all that wanted to try it ?.

    Ot1 firstly needs to thank wolfman as do a lot who like this strain becouse with out him it would not be in any of your hands right now or back in ot1s.

    You then need to relise this line from what i rember was not just ment for a select few to have market rights over it was ment to be sheard rember that.


    Im not even going to say a thing about the strain line .

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  • trouble
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    Originally posted by firefox337
    yo yo yo breh, go bust that .45 cap in that fritz's ass man
    dude, your self admitted 'commercial dealer' status excludes you from being remoteley interested in strain preservation and also exhonerates you from being anywhere near the understanding of just how much work is involved in doing so,
    so why dont you just head back off to your block and shift your low grade shwagg for $6500 lb, eh
    NOW THATS SOME FUNNY SHIT ! Dont you just love all these bad ass Killers and Dealers in computer land. There all Legends in their Own Minds.
    Peace Be With You Firefox. Give em Hell.
    Last edited by trouble; 07-18-2007, 23:31.

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  • firefox337
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    Originally posted by blowfishdirect
    i talked to fritzman and might still got the email as to why he aint working with zam or breeders choice everybody has a little crook in them or they wouldnt be in an illegal business
    but hay they did me right and since im commercial ill let the political correct people have this one

    yo yo yo breh, go bust that .45 cap in that fritz's ass man


    dude, your self admitted 'commercial dealer' status excludes you from being remoteley interested in strain preservation and also exhonerates you from being anywhere near the understanding of just how much work is involved in doing so,
    so why dont you just head back off to your block and shift your low grade shwagg for $6500 lb, eh

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  • blowfishdirect
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    Originally posted by firefox337
    my point entirely, straight from the horses mouth,

    well people there you go, confirmation of just how much integrity these guys really have,

    a bunch of low down underhand charlatans,

    be warned

    i talked to fritzman and might still got the email as to why he aint working with zam or breeders choice everybody has a little crook in them or they wouldnt be in an illegal business
    but hay they did me right and since im commercial ill let the political correct people have this one

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  • firefox337
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    Originally posted by HothouseFlowers
    What Irish said..
    Originally posted by irishSoCo
    i think by this point everybody can draw their own conclusions about the integrity or lack thereof of hhf/ Q.
    my point entirely, straight from the horses mouth,

    well people there you go, confirmation of just how much integrity these guys really have,

    a bunch of low down underhand charlatans,

    be warned

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  • blowfishdirect
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    Originally posted by bigsmoke386
    Your right where I live everyone is waiting to fuck you and you cant trust a sole but yourself....Like I said you guys live in little happy places where everyone gets along, That aint the real world bra... What we call it around here is, Get it how you live


    get it how you live, get down like you live, in this biz its all shady. man most people here are too afraid to go down the block to see whats there they are scared to death to buy from a street dealer... big smoke we charge $6500lb so if a mofo think I dont keep the 45 cocked on every transaction try me. most of my customers are cats that i know will do you in in a heart beat dudes driving ranges and nav jags and controlling many city blocks. probably millionaires. I'd deal with the devil if the price is right and its a dog eat dog world and i'm still alive

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    What Irish said..

    Peace, hhf

    Lock it Zam, enough, free speech has been had and given here. They wanted to record their opinion, they have.
    Last edited by HothouseFlowers; 07-18-2007, 22:43.

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  • petal
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    hi there irishSoCo

    that smiley

    cracked me up

    cheers

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    i thought nothing outlasted the energizer bunny.........
    apparently this war of words does.

    i think by this point everybody can draw their own conclusions about the integrity or lack thereof of hhf/ Q.

    both stories have been told, and really, all i see through the continuation of this thread is a negative vibe slowly pushing through the community.

    would it be at all possible to argue through PM's at this point?

    who the hell is benefiting from the continuation of this thread besides egos on either side of this little war?

    leave it and lock it so people can see what was written, but end it here.

    just MHO.....

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  • petal
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    this went off topic at post # 8

    so thanks for hijacking the thread

    do it somewhere else

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  • firefox337
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    zamilato, firstly i am not a part of ACE, or anyone representing them, i am merely a humble grower with a keane interest of the canna industries politics, and my user id on ***** is 1888bhoy if you want to verify that,
    i only used this id cos it was an account i created last year for my own reasons,

    secondly, your word on HHF and breeders choice issues is worthless to those in the know in this business, and that pile of shit you just wrote speaks volumes for your own moral standards in this community, and you say charlie garcia has personally said he is considering stopping involvement with ACE, why dont you scroll up and see exactly how much respect he has for ACE,
    bit of a no brainer really eh,

    the simple fact is, you guys have been rumbled for what you are, profiteering rip off merchants with only your own SELF PRESERVATION at the forefront of your concerns,

    and those that matter will come to the common sensical belief that, that is in fact all you guys are, money before anything else,

    and how can you sit there spouting that bollocks, knowing that ACE are one of the most respected collective in this industry,

    words fail me for people like you, and as i said earlier in this thread, karma will sure as hell come back to shit on your face.


    and to add, £40 is almost equivilant to $100 in todays exchange rates.
    Last edited by firefox337; 07-18-2007, 21:50.

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  • zamalito
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    Hopefully deleting my post once again will help create some degree of civility. lets see
    Last edited by zamalito; 07-19-2007, 23:38.

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  • craiger
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    So does this mean that Breeders Choice Haze lines comes from Ot1's work that were sent to Queijo and never returned to Ot1?
    Last edited by craiger; 07-18-2007, 20:38.

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    Originally posted by brookie
    the truth comes out. I have been following this for quite some time and was trying to figure out how q was gonna get away with this. Maybe finally people will see the light and recognize q for what he is. But then again, there are alot of people out there who could care less about what he has done, as long as they get some beans they think may be good.
    Wise words brookie !

    At the end, people that read different forums (planeteganja, bridbay, ***** and so on...) added to icmag will make their own opinion on this. And for those that only want to get beans, well, karma is here hopefully. After all, if someone want to pay 100 or 200$ for a strain that may be available for free, what the fuck ?

    Who the cap fits, let them wear it :wink:

    You can not ask to have a perfect flower power world when you're dealing with money, having concurrents and all this sort of things...At the end, only quality will make justice

    Charlie, Dubi, much respect for you, proof is in the pudding and many of your puddings have been eaten and approved. I'm confident in the fact that your qualities will allways overgrow the bad vibes !
    Last edited by little_man; 07-18-2007, 15:44.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    Hi sirs, with permission of room and site moderators,

    My deepest respects to Oldtimer and to Dubi above any other question and although Dubi is more passionated than me when talking l can never allow these insults to him or to ACE as I am part of it as well and Dubi has been always honest and sincere to death, maybe too sincere if so about some real facts happened in the past. I have been insulted as well as you know by another different person who spreaded poison among both collectives in last months. I know this fact didnt help us at all in our relations or to know each other better but is not an excuse and is not that hard to change things and work for peace if you want. But even with all these facts Ive waited for more steps from your side to solution things with Dubi. I havent seen any... understand that peace will never come alone if you dont work for it. Not only with me and I cant do much more than what I did. Its your responsible again if you dont work to solution this.

    Best
    charlie/kaiki
    Last edited by charlie garcia; 07-18-2007, 15:24.

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