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    #31
    Originally posted by evlme2 View Post
    A word of warning to those bypassing their meters, the instant the smart meter is installed it will detect power being rerouted and you WILL get busted.
    I don't see how that could be true. There will always be power upstream of the meter being used ("rerouted") by neighbours etc because everyone uses a common supply. Its not like a telephone where you get a dedicated line.

    You may be confused with anti-tamper features. I've seen smartmeters that send an alarm signal via cell network if they are opened. A smartmeter wouldn't necessarily need to be opened to be bypassed.

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      #32
      light-mover anyone?

      This smart meter will be great in detecting the (amperage) voltage spikes of my PRONSCREEN2000.

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        #33
        Originally posted by seeyouaunty View Post
        I don't see how that could be true. There will always be power upstream of the meter being used ("rerouted") by neighbours etc because everyone uses a common supply. Its not like a telephone where you get a dedicated line.

        You may be confused with anti-tamper features. I've seen smartmeters that send an alarm signal via cell network if they are opened. A smartmeter wouldn't necessarily need to be opened to be bypassed.
        my very experienced electrician told me he could bypass the meter without any problems . seems since they came out his side work has tripled. of course i aint doing it tho. he didnt explain how he could do it but he has been doing it since they came out without one problem. he actually laughed about it

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          #34
          They installed a smart meter in a house I was living in. So after the first billing period I went to the power company and said I have some questions about my bill. A representative took me to her desk and brought up my meter and showed me the in real time usage. I called home and had the little lady go around the house and turn the AC on and off. 60 watt bulbs on and of. And I could watch the use as it was happening. And with her trained eye she could tell me what was being used without me telling her what was being turned on or off. I packed up and moved as soon as my outdoor garden was harvested. Even those in med states don't feel all warm and comfy. LEO can still come to your home and inspect to see if you are in compliance with state and local limits and fire codes. Brought to you buy your new shinny smart meter.

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            #35
            leo aint coming in without a warrant . i have my papers for medical tho

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              #36
              Originally posted by seeyouaunty View Post
              I don't see how that could be true. There will always be power upstream of the meter being used ("rerouted") by neighbours etc because everyone uses a common supply. Its not like a telephone where you get a dedicated line.

              You may be confused with anti-tamper features. I've seen smartmeters that send an alarm signal via cell network if they are opened. A smartmeter wouldn't necessarily need to be opened to be bypassed.
              I'm no sparky, my brother is so I'll have to ask him to explain it to me in layman's terms but I remember him saying something about a "phase unbalanced alarm", that it detects when the wires are being tampered with.

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                #37
                Originally posted by evlme2 View Post
                I'm no sparky, my brother is so I'll have to ask him to explain it to me in layman's terms but I remember him saying something about a "phase unbalanced alarm", that it detects when the wires are being tampered with.

                If I remember correct it is something sparky's refer to as "negative Ion backflow".

                In simple words: If there is more electricity flowing back than what came in (through the meter).
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                Smart Meters - a few common misconceptions cleared up here.

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                  #38
                  I believe you are correct, Strainhunter.
                  I have on PDF some "white papers" on these smart meters that my brother swiped. All kinds of juicy tidbits. Something called a "Management Server" that (over time) builds a "user profile", getting more accurate over a period of time.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by evlme2 View Post
                    .....

                    Something called a "Management Server" that (over time) builds a "user profile", getting more accurate over a period of time.


                    Scary shit isn't it!?

                    Leaves only 2 options:

                    Paying the bill hoping one gets away with the excessive usage.

                    or

                    Paying the bill and still>>>
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                    Something every grower "on the grid" should be aware of:


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                      #40
                      What if I were to cut the light and the a/c on at the EXACT same time. Somehow wire them together so that when A/C comes on the lights come on too, when it goes off lights go off... Would it appear as one large spike or would the timing have to be absolutely perfect for it to work? Surely by using some calculations you could figure out the right temperature to set the A/C at (assuming you live in somewhat stable weather conditions) in order to get 12/12 but the "on" would just be randomly spread out through the day and masked by the spike of the A/C. My a/c is usually off all day until 5 and then it's on and off until I go to work the next morning at 9. Just a thought...

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by txskunk View Post
                        What if I were to cut the light and the a/c on at the EXACT same time. Somehow wire them together so that when A/C comes on the lights come on too, when it goes off lights go off... Would it appear as one large spike or would the timing have to be absolutely perfect for it to work?

                        .....

                        Why are so many "hung up" on spikes?

                        I thought I already covered well enough it is NOT THE SPIKES which are raising the flags!

                        It is the excessive usage raising flags.


                        Not in all states but in some.

                        And most of us will never know which ones those are.

                        And by the time we do find out...some will already have gone "down the drain".
                        Just because "your buddy" has "gotten away" with his crazy electricity bill that doesn't mean it'll work for you.
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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Strainhunter View Post
                          Paying the bill and still>>>
                          I doubt that they will go after paying customers without being FORCED to do so by LEO.

                          That guy who pays his $1000+ bill every month makes up for a lot of people who don't pay their $100 bill on time.

                          Just wouldn't make sense from a business perspective.
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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Anti View Post
                            I doubt that they will go after paying customers without being FORCED to do so by LEO.

                            ..........

                            Just wouldn't make sense from a business perspective.

                            Electricity companies in @ least one of the states I used to live in (FL) actually have BATF trained employees for recognizing potential indoor pot growing ops.

                            And of course it makes no sense from a business stand point.
                            But so don't many other "legal" things related to growing pot.

                            After all it's a game.
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                              #44
                              Fantastic article, good info Strainhunter. We have talked about these many times and you brought much of that information and more research into one spot. Much appreciated by many I am sure

                              If you want to cut down on your primary electrical usage & related cooling costs it's time to start looking into LED and get away from the power hungry HID lights. Be safe out there!
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                                #45
                                Originally posted by SOTF420 View Post
                                .......

                                If you want to cut down on your primary electrical usage & related cooling costs it's time to start looking into LED and get away from the power hungry HID lights. Be safe out there!
                                Thank you SOTF420!

                                Since you are the LED man on ICM and have supported your claims by beautiful pics there is still one thing I don't get about doing a grow with LED's:

                                Say I were to "jump on to the LED train" wouldn't I need the same wattage in LED's I have now with my HID lights?
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