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    i have seen pink pistils indoors before.

    axle2u maybe a strain from turkey.
    the buds from there long ago were red.
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      Originally posted by Lrus007 View Post
      i have seen pink pistils indoors before.

      axle2u maybe a strain from turkey.
      the buds from there long ago were red.
      thankyou for this tidbit....
      do you recall any strain names in particular ?

      cheers,

      -axle

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        pure red leb - seed from bekka valley

        a very late bloomer unfortunately
        next year, i will be on top of this shit.....lol
        my clones will be 2-3' high and put thru flower mode prior to going outside
        so she got all summer to bud,
        this one didnt really start to bud until maybe a month ago






        further research, after the fact
        bekka valley is around 34 N lat, i believe
        which when cross referenced say LA, Cali
        is the same latitude

        im growing at 42 N lat, and she went out in june not a hair on her
        wasnt until i proofed her clones indoor, that i even knew it was a female....in bekka they plant in march
        at 42 N never plant before MAy24 i think it is
        she went out june 18, my fault a late bloomer

        next year i will do better with it knowing what i know now
        next year out by june 1, and at 3' height and proofed into flower stage, so they can build buds all summer long, like in bekka valley

        march to sept is her requirement
        thats not possible at 42N, but perhaps can work around
        and stack the deck next year

        -axle

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          Originally posted by axle2u View Post


          if i remember correctly,
          2 yrs ago i had mr greengenes -cherry bomb hybrid (30 yr genetics)
          and i had a plant with red stems and pinkish pistils indoor grow

          i will be doing a red leb, indoor as i took 1 clone from the moma that went outside,
          so in several months i will let you know about red pistils indoors.....interesting point you made, so lets see....

          when i did run the cherry bomb indoors, i came up with a trick that seemed to work somewhat....the last 3 weeks of flower cycle
          i piped in AC cold air into bottom of cabinet thru the night to get the 20 degree drop from daytime to night time

          my theory was to try and replicate outdoor conditions
          forcing the plants to realize frost is coming soon and to manufacture extra resin to protect itself from frost

          that was my working theory at the time
          i believe it was successful, i did get some reds in leafs ,stems
          and what appeared to be pistils

          of course after harvest and curing,
          it all looks like a bunch of red hairs and you'd never know
          what it , (the color palate) looked like green at the chopping block
          when chopped down

          are you a kanuk too ??
          curious....



          -axle
          No. Virginia US.
          The purple Satellite had dark maroon/ purple stems. Some had pinkish pistils but not like that. Tho I did see a pic of someone else's ps that had pistils just like those posted earlier.

          You are right tho, it never stays pink after the dry and cure.
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            Looks promising tho!
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              forging forward in my cherry oil quest....
              here is a hybrid i created, towards this goal
              just to find a material, worthy of making an authentic
              old school cherry oil....first, the material used must have
              the correct properties.....right

              the buzz, was euphoric, uplifting, creative, focused, happy, non couch lock
              active, pleasant, non paranoia , social, as i remember its properties....
              in high school we used to smoke it at lunch time on the church steps,
              then go back to class -happy as fuck....lol -very early 80s
              almost 40 yrs ago...vanished right off the fucking planet, forever

              the world is chalk full of pure bullshit....period
              the shite dispensaries sell as a "cherry oil" is only an oil of any material on hand,
              winterized with charcoal....poof
              because it has a red tinge to it....they label it cherry oil
              WRONG DUMBASS......apples and oranges
              it IS a "misnomer", if you're educated enough to know what that is

              thats what happens, when the "millenials" take over
              the sippy cup crew, and pull up diapers....are at the helm

              when i was a baby, iodine was the cure all, and it was not painless
              bandaids, ripped your skin when pulled off, my mom had to wash all the diapers
              there were no "sippy cups".....or videos in the back seat of the car
              everywhere you went was full of tobacco smoke, our house, grandparents
              the car, bars, reastarants.....there was no internet or cell phones to look shit up
              you only had your brain, and maybe a pencil if you lucky enough to have a pencil
              to figure shit out on the move...

              milleanials eh......
              they fuck shit up....if it aint broke
              dont fix it....

              popeye and batman were the heros
              what is a pokemon....ahaha

              fuck sakes, other peoples kids
              will sell you snake oil, as cherry oil
              its not real, its a terrible misnomer

              real cherry oil, has not been reproduced in 30-40 years
              one only knows this, if they acually had it, back in late 70s
              early 80s....period, gone never to return, anywhere on the globe

              2 yrs into it, and im developing a hybrid
              that may have some properties im looking for, maybe not
              im betting on yes.....so figure out the material properties right
              then the flavor, and color....then density of resin
              and all that, just to possibly "ballpark it"

              why all this effort....
              it is pure heaven, and divine
              thats why, if you had it, you know

              one of a kind resin oil.....
              better then the best honey oil, you ever had
              sweetest smelling cherries, you ever smelt
              best tasting, cherry smoke you have ever inhaled

              the room smells exotic, divine, mysterious....
              and a definite money scent of allure and the forbidden
              kinda like wearing creed aventus, at the mall....
              ($500 a bottle french cologne)-amazing stuff

              if one can possibly replicate, its worth a million in sales
              no, i dont want millions, i want my oil...so piss off...lol

              pistils mid sept



              flower devloping...pistils close ups



              carry on

              -ax
              Last edited by axle2u; 09-26-2020, 04:49.

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                I think it was Weezard who put up a pic of "red headed step chile". It had very red pistils, and I thought of your quest. I can't remember the thread, but there were about 4-5 diff strains shown.
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                  Originally posted by flylowgethigh View Post
                  I think it was Weezard who put up a pic of "red headed step chile". It had very red pistils, and I thought of your quest. I can't remember the thread, but there were about 4-5 diff strains shown.

                  thanks bro, i will look into it...

                  just ordered up additional seed for next year
                  for another land race experiment forging forward,
                  with cherry oil material for experimental developments.

                  next strain(s) up are PCK -growing now
                  and Panama Red, seed on the way...

                  so experimental strains on the table are
                  -red leb (currently growing)
                  -red manderine (currently growing)
                  -PCK (currently growing)

                  next up, from my selection of seed already acquired
                  -panama red
                  -red hot cookies
                  -red poison
                  -fruity pebbles
                  -purpidol (17% CBD)

                  by the end of next year, i should be very close
                  to a perfect strain selection, then its on to recipe developments
                  this is what I'm aiming for....

                  prob create a another hybrid for the mrs. with the purpidol for pain management

                  -ax

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                    Got a red, like cabernet red, a nice deep red that came frozen in a brick. You put the brick under hot water till it got all nice and liquidy, then snipped off a corner and squeezed it into gerber baby food bottles, getting about 1/4lb per bottle. About 1978 or 79 near Christmas.

                    Was the best hash oil I ever had. It all sold out in one night. So fast I figured what the hell, go ahead and sell the last 1/4lb I was going to keep for my head.

                    Never ever saw it again
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                      Originally posted by Tudo View Post
                      Got a red, like cabernet red, a nice deep red that came frozen in a brick. You put the brick under hot water till it got all nice and liquidy, then snipped off a corner and squeezed it into gerber baby food bottles, getting about 1/4lb per bottle. About 1978 or 79 near Christmas.

                      Was the best hash oil I ever had. It all sold out in one night. So fast I figured what the hell, go ahead and sell the last 1/4lb I was going to keep for my head.

                      Never ever saw it again View Image

                      wow, thanks for this post....
                      this is very interesting....so your experience was with an import
                      by the way it reads....

                      do you have any idea of the material used to make it..
                      like what kind of weed was used ?....
                      do you have an idea of country of origin ?

                      any clues, may bring me closer to figuring it out
                      how to replicate authentic real cherry oil -resin of the gods

                      thanks pal

                      -axle

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                        For the purposes of this research, Roger Adams had obtained red oil extract of the plant legally from the United States Department of the Treasury and that was in 1940 where Dr.Roger Adams made his discovery of CBD.

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                        In 1895, ‘Arabs . . . Armenians
                        [and] Turks’ grew Cannabis indica in central California to supply hash
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                        marijuana in Panama in the 1920s for testing its effects on soldiers
                        The Dutch paid the Khoisan in 1713 with drugs rather than
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                        For the purposes of this research, Roger Adams had obtained red oil extract of the plant legally from the United States Department of the Treasury

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                          I read this thread a while ago, so I apologize if you already seen this.

                          emphasis are mine

                          "Before I had learned to isolate D9 THC I had become obsessed with making red hash oil. At the time I was recovering from a motorcycle accident that left many bone broken inside and a lot of painful injury. I needed something to sleep.

                          I learned that if I slow simmered compound and provided good ventilation that the terpenes will slowly cook off. When I started with the compound in isopropyl alcohol and boiled it off along with the rest that the oil would turn ruby red. It tastes incredible but the high is very low. For sleeping under the conditions I was in it worked miracles. The terpenes actually change in flavor and to me (according to starting strain) the flavors seemed similar to a cherry flavor.

                          Not mediciney at all. I ran this way for a long time until certain ideas began to dawn on me about how I could refine the stuff to much greater purity. This red oil is obviously a breakdown product(s) from the acid forms of CBN and THC and through THC Delta 8 THC. I stumbled on this in an old archive. In some ways this red oil is much better at symptom relief than isolated THC which is a big cognitive high.

                          It sure is cool watching it turn red and starting strain played a huge role in how it came out. I found the dark indica varieties produced the best red oil. The light underneath the beaker is a sealed beam 35 watt display case light with an adjustable dimmer. There is a UV light filter on it that holds the 50 ml beaker perfectly. I have no way of knowing what the ratios end up being of D9 THC to D8 THC to CBN are but I think the CBN and Delta 8 tend to suppress the cognitive high of the D9 judging by the vape experience.

                          I chuckle about being stressed when I see the first signs of CBN formation on the isolate now when my first adventures in refinement had that as a target goal. I wanted to emulate Lebonese red hash and it is a lot of fun cooking it down like that. Generally reducing it through simmer by ⅓ of starting volume did the trick. Not potent but sure was tasty."

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                            From elsewhere

                            "Before I had more sophisticated gear, I would prepare extract the old school way men have prepare it for eons. I learned that setting my beaker in a glass vac chamber with a small light underneath for heat would allow me to cook away the strongest parts of the terps, but also learned that when terps and extract are slow cooked together over a very long time and using high vacuum that a beautiful red oil is produced that has stunning flavor.

                            The pinene almost takes on a menthol taste and the other flavors also mellow and taste good. It is primitive but in absence of a different method to refine this method absolutely refines extract in a way that removes little but alters the flavor in a great way once cooked fully. Not over the top potent but delicious and a delightful high too."

                            more

                            "Here is a vid that shows a bit more. Very light extracts generally do not produce decent red oil. Locally the best I found is Girl Scout Cookie strain.

                            I always select indica varieties for this and see a better cherry oil when I start with dark terpy extracts. The same process absolutely cleans up the amber shatter too but the red really comes out with the indica strains that are darker to start with. In this video you will see the proteins, which I call wax" after they have been denatured in iso and are being boiled. Those "waxes" disappear as the proteins degrade completely and that cloudy white mass seen in the flask was only visible for pictures a few minutes. Heat wipes this stuff out in minutes after it appears out of solution.

                            The gentle boil used to cook off volatile smells brutally strong as a pine tree when started but the odor tapers off then fades to a menthol smell. Then the menthol sort of odor begins to,smell like something sweet - a few hours and after the extract has reduced about a third. At that point I then boil the extract in iso and things begin to clean up a bit. I ramp up the water to iso ratio until just a small percentage is alcohol. After the white "waxes" boil into oblivion I shut down and let cool. Then pour off the water and then a standard purge with heat and high vacuum."

                            Clicked the video, but it's gone..
                            Last edited by Mithridate; 05-28-2021, 21:45.

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                              You also talked about a recipe, mentioning ph and such..

                              Found this

                              "How To Make Red Hash Oil

                              If you have some practical chemistry experience you can try making red oil instead of honey oil. Red oil is not as potent as honey oil, but if you use the same amount (and potency) of marijuana to produce both red oil and honey oil, the red oil yield will be larger.

                              You will be working with chemicals that will ignite if not used in a properly ventilated lab. Do not attempt this without a proper spark-less exhaust system if you are not working in a lab.

                              1) completely dry and grind material to a powder. soak material in petroleum ether for several hours, but less than 24 hours. strain, saving the pet ether/oil mixture... pressing out the material thoroughly to get as much solvent/oil out of the material as possible. filter the solvent/oil mixture through a coffee filter.

                              2) extract pet ether/oil mixture w/ an ~ 4% sodium hydroxide (NaOH) in alcohol solution three times.

                              3) acidify the NaOH/oil mixture w/ HCl (diluted 2:1 or 3:1 with distilled water) to pH 3. filter the acidified mixture through a coffee filter.

                              4) extract acidified mixture w/ pet ether three times. evaporate off pet ether to yield red honey oil!

                              NOTE: this recipe works well w/ small quantities of material.

                              when dealing w/ large material quantities, replace 1) w/ ->
                              - dry, grind and soak material in 91% (or higher) isopropyl alcohol for three days.
                              - strain and filter, saving alcohol/oil mixture.
                              - evaporate off alcohol down to ~ 250 - 300 ml of alcohol/oil mixture.
                              - extract alcohol/oil mixture w/ pet ether three times.

                              * extract = placing two solutions in a separatory funnel, mixing thoroughly, and allowing the two phases to separate...
                              --- given pet ether & alcohol >> (pet ether on top) (alcohol on bottom)
                              --- given pet ether & NaOH soln >> (pet ether on top) (NaOH soln on bottom). same for pet ether and acidified NaOH solution.
                              * to make the NaOH solution - mix 40 mg of pure NaOH pellets into 500 ml of distilled water until dissolved thoroughly. then add 500 ml of absolute grain alcohol (everclear), yielding ~ 1 liter of the sodium hydroxide solution.

                              * white gas can be substituted for pet ether (verified) muriatic acid (swimming pools) can be substituted for HCl (verified) lye can be substituted for NaOH (verified)."


                              hope this helps

                              Ps: this recipe is from somebody quoting it, I havre not found the original yet.
                              Last edited by Mithridate; 05-29-2021, 01:43.

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                                "Hash oil or cannabis oil is an oleoresin obtained by the extraction of cannabis or hashish. It is a concentrated form of the plant containing many of its resins and terpenes – in particular, tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), … So called “butane honey oil” was available briefly in the 1970’s. This product was made in Kabul"

                                -
                                this place calls it cherry oil, there is no mention of color... Made from og kush and pink bubba they claim it has a cherry flavor.

                                -

                                252. Telegram 153341 From the Department of State to the Embassy in Nepal, July 16, 1974, 1900Z.

                                [...]
                                the Department also forwarded to the Embassy a summary of DEA actions and hashish oil production techniques, noting that several large seizures in the last two years involved hashish oil smuggled from Katmandu. (Ibid., RG 84, Katmandu Embassy Files: Lot 77 F 31, SOC 11-5)

                                (I could not locate the DEA files teaching us to make hash oil, hahaha. Says "could not be declassified in time for publication. M.)

                                -found it. It describes a refluxing apparatus, like a recirculating coffee machine made out of 55gal drums.

                                At the end it says
                                "ONE SEIZURE REVEALED A VERITABLE "RUBE GOLDBERG," CONSISTING OF A BOILER, A HEAT EXCHANGER, A VACUUM ASSEMBLY AND OTHER COMPONENTS (WITH PARTS LIST, INSTRUCTIONS AND ASSEMBLY METHODS) FOR A SOPHISTICATED HASHISH OIL APPARATUS. IT WAS TO BE SHIPPED TO THE MIDDLE EAST, ACCORDING TO REPORTS."

                                That's it for now!
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