Anyone 'cured' prostate cancer with....

[moose eater]

Hey m.e,

I heard of some folks using a coffee cup warmer with a heat resistant container to concentrate, I haven't tried it myself, seems like an simple way to go. Wondering if it will decarb as well.

Great to see you here !!

Hey, OK!! Long time since we communicated!! I trust you're getting by as well as can be expected? Any positive news in your dx recently?

I'll probably be needing more quantity than what it sounds like the coffee cup method might produce, but who knows??

I guess we might want to start a club of some sort now?? Crusty Alaskans rejected by the Cosmos, seeking relief from inner medical turmoil or something like that.

Lots of mayhem in the news over the last several weeks, form down in your neighborhood on the KP.

We're into winter here, whether I want to be, or am ready to be, or not.

If there were a better place to be, more home-like to my memory (hard to undo 42 years of familiarity), I'd be there. Every place has drawbacks. But I know I've burned out on the setting in, and mid-way weather of Interior winters. Just no place else to be for now.. Maybe I could camp out in the Mojave for a while, and post the radioactive warning signs with bright yellow triangles, or maybe skulls and cross-bones around my camp, in hopes folks would leave me alone...

But I don't care for poisonous critters, either, so.... here I is...

[moose eater]

A local health foods outlet has empty capsules, lecithin, and strainer lids for sprouting seeds in jars, so I'm off for town, and now have everything I need to begin orally dosing.

Dabbling in suppositories can begin once the molds and cacao butter chips are here.

So... I guess.... here I go...

[OkThen]

Got a promising scan the last round, Still working out the side effects of the meds, rice seems to help.

Iv been packing 00 caps with partiality decarbed herb mixed with a bit of vinegar, vit c powder and emulsifier. Gotta let it dry a couple of days before putting in caps otherwise they get soggy. Seems to work well, the vinegar and vit c complete the decarb in a few days.

I was wishing for a sunny beach on a less populated Pacific isle, but don't think it will happen this year. :/
First snow about a week ago brrrrrr

[moose eater]

Got a promising scan the last round, Still working out the side effects of the meds, rice seems to help.

Iv been packing 00 caps with partiality decarbed herb mixed with a bit of vinegar, vit c powder and emulsifier. Gotta let it dry a couple of days before putting in caps otherwise they get soggy. Seems to work well, the vinegar and vit c complete the decarb in a few days.

I was wishing for a sunny beach on a less populated Pacific isle, but don't think it will happen this year. :/
First snow about a week ago brrrrrr

I figured long ago that all sunny south pacific Islands worth constructing a yurt on were taken by the limited Powers that Be, and doubly so if they had any valuable minerals near by.

Glad your scans are coming back better. Must be some relief in that!!

Hadn't considered combining supplements with cannabis oil, and not sure of what I might add wouldn't detract from the action provided by the extracts.

Currently taking D3 in relatively heavy amount, alpha lipoic acid, C (from bioflavonoids), zinc, magnesium, E, B-12, and a prostate health pill that looks like Darth Vader's death capsule might <black and large> with more zinc, saw palmetto, and other stuff in it (thought about writing them a humorous complaint letter, and demanding a refund ).

So what would a club of curmudgeonly Alaskans with cancer, who imbibe herb like never before, in more ways than previously thought possible, call itself? There's GOT to be a good club name, right??

Another project...

[OkThen]

Curmudgeons of the Great White North

[moose eater]

Curmudgeons of the Great White North

I don't want to infringe on the 2 brothers from Canada, Doug, and what's his name. We'll continue working on it, maybe?

Meanwhile, having a healthy sense of skepticism, and full-time cynical perspective, we delved further into yesum's post re. sprouted broccoli seeds and the related video, researching on-line, especially from credible, accepted, medical sources.

And.... WebMD, for a starting place, notes the correlations attributed to sprouted broccoli seeds referenced in the video, and, as is common in the science community, states "more research is needed" to be more certain of any causality in the claimed results..

Another site, Healthline (??) went on to state that chewing the sprouts well, helps to activate the enzyme, or what ever the compound is in reference, and the desired/identified item in the sprouted seeds is further activated by ground yellow mustard powder, which we commonly use here in spicing our curry, and sometimes in Chinese dishes, as well as a good old-fashioned sharp cheddar macaroni and cheese dish (though I no longer partake of such things in the way I once might've, due to carbohydrate content and cheese being a 'meat' or animal protein, which, again, cancer reportedly thrives on)....

So the money spent on getting back into sprouting seeds for consumption seems well spent, following tonight's limited research.

It was after the research that I recalled some capsules of cannabis extract in olive oil that were gifted to me several years back, and have since been in a VERY cold freezer, in a quart jar with a tight lid, with a hodge-podge of left-over bags of harvest dregs of my own weed from years gone by. There appears to be maybe 6 (or so) capsules in the baggie, so without getting all gummy with the heat-pressed rosin I have on-hand already, I'll begin my ingestion of cannabis oil tonight, with someone else's product, and no knowledge, what so ever, of the strain(s) involved.

But, "something is better than nothing," more often than not.

[bigpeter]

Another interesting read


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6662490/

[Weezard]

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Mahalo Gry.
Same graph I used for decarbing in the oven

Problem with this one is translation to the real world. It was generated by placing high purity THC-a on a sheet of glass.


Raw buds are a different animal, but it does give us a place to start, yah?

[Weezard]

Thanks Weez,

So you're saying with confidence that the assertions of others that the cannabinoids are available at 85% in suppository form, versus 35% ingested orally, is disproven??


Yes, that is what I am saying. Our liver produces gall.
The gall is stored in, oddly enough, the gall bladder.
When we eat fats, or resins, the gall bladder squirts in enough bile to emulsify those lipids.
If it did not, they would remain large globs.

Digestive enzymes will only work on the surface of the globs and that is slow enough that they are eliminated before they can be fully absorbed by the body.
Anal insertion will get you less high, because most of it is wasted. Flushed down the tubes.

Now, If you pre-emulsify the oil with lecithin, (I used an ultrasonic jewelry cleaner to get them to mix), and used very small suppositories, (less surface area), and you retain it for say, 12 hours, it may all get absorbed.
But know this, if it does, and it's fully decarbed, you will get very high indeed.
Just ask Tommy Chong. He has a great story about that.


Almost sorry to read that, assuming it's true, as the other benefit I'd read re. suppositories is the lessening of the psychoactive effects, and knowing that serious dosing each day with oil, may well leave me less productive than I already am.


No worries, with the proper dosage, more than enough is too much, and once per day at bedtime, you will be able to function. Um, I'd better add that a few hours before bedtime is advised. If I pop a cap after 8 pm it's a groggy morning for the first hour or so.


That, and the fact that I might've saved the money for the suppository molds and cacao butter chips... Maybe some other use will be found...

Last question on that issue; when you referenced the 160mg (or 180 mg?) dosage as showing better results in your experience than the higher dosages typically stated re. RSO, were you talking 160mg/180mg per dose, or per day, cumulatively?


Per dose. One dose per day. And I'm finding that 120- 140 mg. works for my 90 Kg. butt. About 1.4 mg. per Kg.
Of course dosage will vary with the strength of your oil.


Thanks.

Any area used to cook off alcohol would be best heated -somehow- here this time of year, though I know from experience with both gasoline AND Iso, that both evaporate, even in extreme cold, with no real heat source; it just takes longer (we routinely use 99% Iso in our fuel systems for a variety of purposes, and the cooling effects of the alcohol are readily experienced on fingers in serious cold..)..

That said, I could try cooking outdoors, with no significant enclosure, and strictly rely on the temperatures of the oil and cooking apparatus to cause the accelerated evaporation. But I know in advance that the induction cook-top's reported temp, and the oil's temp, will be measurably/significantly different in such a circumstance. Even at the current lows of +10 f., and highs of just below +20 f. to +30 f., there will be a significant disparity between the cooking surface and the temp of the oil.

Maybe cook a bit hotter surface temp, to bring the oil temp up??



The beauty of the induction plate is that the heat is generated magnetically right into the bottom of the pan. (you do have to use an induction kine pan). Aluminum will not work, Cast iron is good, quality stainless works, crappy stainless does not. You can check it with a magnet.

And I use an IR thermometer directly on the oil surface. Just point and read. They are surprisingly inexpensive.


Somewhat distant neighbors already know that I grill, etc., all winter long, so it shouldn't cause too much attention...

Anyway, thanks again.

No charge brother. I've been where you are now.



Aloha,
Wee

[Weezard]

I meant to reiterate that I have a somewhat sizable amount of whole flower, heat-pressed brown/gold rosin here that I can use for ingestion, short of having my own more fresh oil ready to go.

Some of the rosin has been frozen for a couple months, and some has been at room temp (70 f to 72 f) in a jelly jar. So if you're able to clarify your statement bout dosage (i.e., daily 160-180, versus per dose), I can find a way to get it down, and can likely get empty capsules in town for oral ingestion, as well as a good probability of obtaining lecithin from one of the health food stores.

(*I need to stop by and pick up some strainer lids for sprouting broccoli seeds, anyway, so it'll be a dual purpose trip).

Thanks.

Ah dunno about the medical efficacy of pressed resin.
Nor do I know how the dosage would translate.

But I'm keen to find out.



If you, or a loved one, have any skin tags, (neuroendocrine skin tumors), dab some of that resin on 'em, cover it with scotch tape and change it every 12 hours until the tags crumble off.
If nothing happens, I'd say make some oil.


Empty caps can be had on amazon. so can lecithin. I live onna rock inna middle of the Pacific ocean, Amazon prime is essential for us.


Aloha,
Wee

[Chevy cHaze]

Not prostate cancer but I made some RSO and it sorted my mom's skin cancer swiftly.
I know, not the same but exploring this is good and important as the positive effects are real Sir.
All the best
CC

[moose eater]

No charge brother. I've been where you are now.



Aloha,
Wee

I'm quite grateful, Weez.


I'm out of rep, having just gotten the ability to provide it yesterday, I played catch-up, and am out of it.

Despite my tangentiality, and Rainman-like ramblings at times, I am both quite interested and quite grateful for your and others' assistance.

One notable change for me is that I have always had a needle-sharp memory, to the point that it (borderline) frightened persons at times. I've always been so fixated on details that learning new or complex things takes me more time, but in the past, once it's locked in my mind, it's been there for next to forever.

Over the last year (+/-), I notice my retention is dropping off somewhat dramatically; whether an overload of the proverbial data base, generic issues with aging, failing of neuro-transmitters/synapses, cancer-related, or what, I can't say at the moment, but it is both mildly frustrating, and a bit alarming, too.

It seems that when I've been making canna butter, I was essentially decarbing the cannabis during the process of boiling/simmering of the weed, water, and ghee, right?

So I wondered last night, after first reading your first reply last night, "Why does the cooking off of the solvent not simultaneously decarb the oil??" Or does it, in part, do just this??

That said, and considering I've successfully made ISO oil years ago, using Shmike's method, and that the decarbing of oil seems to be a bit more clear in "Is it done yet?" criteria than decarbing flowers, would it make sense to make the oil, then decarb, simply watching for the bubbles to subside as the oil heats?

Local health food outlet has both empty gelatin caps and empty vegetable caps, and I figure on the veggie caps, as it intuitively seems more body-friendly, but that's simply a guess.

Likewise, they have both soy lecithin and sunflower lecithin. My memory tells me that both sunflower oil and unfermented soy products have been deemed less than healthy, but I have no clue if soy lecithin is a fermentation product or a raw extract, which according to my distant memory, makes the difference in healthy/tolerable, and not.

In that I didn't make that trip to the store last evening, that will be something I plan to do today.

I ingested 1 of the previously referenced cannabis capsules from my freezer last night, from an acquaintance from years ago, and it lacked nothing in potency. Years ago I would give the same fellow larger quantity of my weed, typically bagged, then sealed 2 x's in Food Saver pouches. I had noted, out loud in discourse with him, that the weed, after sitting for some time, vacuum packed, even in the freezer, was definitely further along in curing and transition, than when he'd received it, despite freezing, storage, etc.

Again, simply based on subjective perception, this told me some things (maybe) about curing continuing after freezing, sealing, etc.

I'll try your experiment to see if the rosin causes apoptosis for the skin tags; I seem to have developed a bumper crop of the things over the last 20-30 years. The only question will be which ones I can reach, and which ones my wife is subjected to treating for my not being able t access them.

I had a few buds years ago from a Hawaiian Sativa (1 of only a few retail cannabis outlet purchases I made as novelty buys, simply to walk into a store and buy some weed over the counter. other than that, I haven't frequented the places, and haven't had to buy any weed in several decades.

The thing with the weed above, was that while it was stated to maybe in the 13% to 16% THC range, it was ledged/advertised to be in about the 6% (or so) CBD range..

At this point in time, I have ample flower on-hand to make my oil (Dronkers' California Indica <an old plant here- 23 years now>, Ghost Train Haze #1, Greenhouse Seeds original Super Lemon Haze, Bodhi's Goji OG, a variety of Satori trials, a variety Bodhi's Space Cake, a variety of trials of Bodhi's White Lotus, and maybe another 1 or 3 on hand). I've personally tested none of them for THC/CBD, let alone ratios, so can only make loose speculative conclusions based on genetic sourcing, and know straight off that my senior citizen girl, Dronkers' CI, is at LEAST as much a Sativa as an Indica, based on the history I 'know' from Sensi Seeds back in the 1990s.

Bodhi's WL and others, to include Goji OG, include lineage from his somewhat infamous male of Himalayan/Hindu Kush origins, unless my memory is more screwed than I believe it is..

At this point, I'll using all of the above, including both trim and flower, to make any oil, though I will likely tumble the trim for hash first. (*Likely that smoking, rather than eating or vaping, at this point in time, is not the wisest of moves for me).

I will look into an IR heat gun, or what ever it was you referenced, and see how fast I can get one coming. The more elaborate chef's/coking store in town is no longer with us, having closed several years ago, so not sure who would have that in town. As much as I loathe tossing money to Jeff Bezos, as you say, his Co. is sometimes Johnny-on-the-spot for oddities... like suppository molds, as one example.

I considered using my digital meat thermometer, but don't trust the calibration enough.

I suspect (read: 'hypothesize') that I can indeed cook off solvents in the cold, or even extreme cold, if I maintain the proper heat. But to cook off the volume of either Ethyl or Iso alcohol, I will need at LEAST a 5 qt or 6 qt. stainless steel sauce pot.

Knowing now your and others' reference to the alcohol absorbing H2O form the air, our humidity here in the cold winter air is often topped out, between 80% and 100% RH, but this is (as I'm guessing you're aware), due to air being saturated at colder temps, with MUCH less actual water present, and air holding MORE actual water in reaching saturation at warmer temps. So, for now, in my level of understanding (or not) I don't believe that should be an overwhelming issue.

It's more than a bit ;likely that my primary (current) specialist has both the CT scan and the nuclear bone scan results in his possession. I KNOW he has the CT scan, and no reason to believe he hasn't received the other. Thus, it's another week-end that someone has information I see as seriously important, but I haven't received a call yet. Several ways to interpret this, but all of it is speculation, until his staff call me in for a mtg. They're extremely good folks, but I think it's a common affliction among we humans to fail at times, where putting the proverbial shoe on the other foot is involved.

Well, that's my novella for this morning.

Thanks again. Seriously.

[moose eater]

Not prostate cancer but I made some RSO and it sorted my mom's skin cancer swiftly.
I know, not the same but exploring this is good and important as the positive effects are real Sir.
All the best
CC

Thanks Chevy.

I know this works for some/many, and know there are those who it doesn't work for.

Maybe the mind, believing, and unidentified 'mind over matter' powers of the brain are more at play, and we sometimes believe in something, and make it happen, attributing outcomes to other sources.

I know both the science of things, and the mind's attitude, play a role in all kinds of things.

And thanks for the encouragement.

Moving ahead with what I have on-hand. Hopefully it's sufficient.

[moose eater]

Another interesting read


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6662490/

I could probably obtain dandelion root some place, buying it. We once made dandelion wine, decades ago, but that was greens, and especially flowers. Normally our yard has Olympic-grade crops of the things, coming up in the brome hay we planted long ago, but the ground here is now fairly hard frozen, at least for a half of a foot.

The lemon grass is available in raw, whole form from a variety of sources, and it features prominently in some of my Thai pepper and/or red curry pastes.

That's one of the things that makes me wary of the current diagnosis; all these things that are supposed to act to kill cancer/tumors, from cruciferous plants, to lemon grass, etc., are already a fairly present aspect of our diets... yet here I am.

Leaves a person wondering, "What state would I be in if I HADN'T been eating these things all along? And what are they going to do for me now if I eat them in concerted, consistent, persistent, greater volume/frequency?"

I guess we'll find out, eh?

Thanks again.

Take care.

[moose eater]

I know this, for the moment. I had been on a roll getting projects completed before this dx came down, almost as though I intuitively knew it was past time to finish up things before... something.

Now this issue has (at the moment) taken the wind out of my sails, hopefully not for long, as many of the projects still need done; barn siding and addition to be completed, the pressure-treated wood porch and approach into the shed we replaced the foundation of, my soilless mix project, for which I have some very thorough and tangible guidance, and more.

So I need to get back in the saddle, and get 'er done, one way or another, for one reason or another.

I know I don't have time at the moment to do a miracle harvest of that Hawaiian Sativa strain I referenced, with a decent THC/CBD profile, but I wish I had about a lb. of tat here right now, to mostly make oil from... I really do. Maybe I'll put her on my Christmas list, if I can track her down and remember what the hell she was called.. The fellow I knew at that shop is back in Hawaii with his family as of several years ago, unless his status has changed. Really good guy, by my observations, too. Maybe I'll call the shop at some point, and inquire as to whether anyone there recalls the specific strain in reference.

Probably shouldn't be smoking, but I think I'll go have a puff or 3 from the more recent harvest, or some hash, and dab some of the rosin onto a skin tag or 2, with some Scotch tape, beginning the experiment, a 'la Weez. If I had a safe, functional digital camera, I could maybe treat the viewers to a couple Frankenstein-like pics of any results from the skin tag experiment... Has anyone engaged in cyst or tumor porn here before? Is it an offense that might lead to being banned?