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    Originally posted by moose eater View Post
    Every win helps. WOO HOO!!!
    I'm hoping it lasts, and if not, I can get it back. It feels good!
    That counts as another win, moose eater.
    “The sun will eclipse soon unless you sacrifice the prince consort to the goddess of the moon.”
    Hans Bornefeld

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      Originally posted by buzzmobile View Post
      That counts as another win, moose eater.
      Thanks buzz.

      Sometimes they seem to be rolling in, buzz, and other times, seems they need some help getting stitched together.

      But as you pointed out, paraphrasing, counting every win, even if they're the little fellers, adds up, and gets appreciated.

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      Had another moderate dose of the THC capsules, and another dropper of about 50mg of CBD at bed time, late last night. Definitely felt a little thick in the throat after the last dropper of CBD, but considered it was also maybe the 'thickness' or viscosity of the stuff, and my sensitivity of late, for anything in the airway at all. So I tried to initially sleep sitting upright in a chase with an extended platform.

      Still, if any feeling of tight chest after that 2nd dropper, I can't clearly recall it.

      I did wake up with munchies a couple times last night, and during this time, looked up sinus issues, as they had returned, and found some less-than-conclusive references to potassium and sodium deficiency being linked to inflammation, but, some of it looked pretty flakey... downright 'comically Cosmic' in one site's case. (*As in 'star dust and space shit').

      Back to bed for a brief period, then up and at 'em, again.
      --------------------------------------

      Bruce Cockburn

      From the 'In the Falling Dark' Lp

      'Gavin's Wood Pile'

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GhC...&start_radio=1
      Last edited by moose eater; 01-26-2021, 17:46.

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        Well, Andyo's passing casts a degree of light on the path of untreated or late-treated prostate cancer. The spread is unpredictable, so, even if the stated 3% risk of mortality over 15 years, if untreated, is accurate, who would want to be in that 3%?

        How often would you buy a lottery ticket if the odds were 3:100? Usually they're a lot less hopeful (or in the reverse case, dismal) odds than that. 3 in 100, in my book, while a long shot, isn't all that long.

        I didn't communicate with Andyo here more than maybe 2-3 times that I can remember over the last 12-14 years in and out of ICMag. But I hope he and his loved ones have peace in this.

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        Note back from the radio-oncology Doc; he confirms his numbers:

        35% chance of recurrence with seed implant and external radiation, together. CyberKnife for site-specific radiation, post-radiation tx. in the event of recurrence.

        65% risk of recurrence with surgery alone.

        Said he seldom/rarely sees encopresis/bowel incontinence after radiation in those patients who began radiation with good bowel control. (*Words like 'seldom' and 'rarely', though I use such descriptions loosely myself, do not provide a solid basis for statistical interpretation or risk assessment. I don't want to wear any communication thin, but may later push for more accurate numbers re. this risk).

        Following hormone suppression tx., Palladium seeds (brachytherapy), and external radiation tx, at the 15 year mark, he reports a 1% risk of radiation-induced cancer from the seeds therapy, etc. Again, 1:100 sounds pretty safe. But would you buy a lottery ticket that had 1:100 odds of winning? I would. Bought many with much stiffer odds.

        Testosterone drops within 30 days after the first hormone suppression injection.

        3 to 6 injections (I had heard 3 earlier, with no mention of the other numbers, but apparently it is a case-by-case needs thing).

        Following radiation, as with surgery, semen is no more.

        3 months after initial hormone suppression shot, scan for custom build of Palladium seeds, which are implanted 3 to 4 weeks later, in a 1-hour (+/-) surgical procedure, from which I'm told a person walks out on their own, after the anesthetic has worn off.

        25 sessions of external radiation treatment over a 5 week period, 10 minutes of actual exposure per day, 5 days per week, beginning about 2 months or less after seeds are implanted.

        So, no word on the lab or medication corrections in the chart yet, but I noted there was a message about meds not being in the chart, and to call my (primary care?) Doc if I needed to know something. That may or may not have taken care of some of the concerns re. listing 'non-conventional therapies'. I think it did, and if so, he was savvy enough not to say, "Hey, I pulled this out for you."

        Edit: Seems a patient buys a ticket to open a proverbial door to one passage or another, and the passage they get may be 10 feet long, or 1,000 miles, and there's little guarantee, other than generic stats that aren't unique to the patient, as to what that tunnel will look like. But they'll damned sure have to buy the ticket to find out.

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        So, 'Shake & Bake', or 'Slice & Dice'?

        Time for some thoughtful contrasting of risks and benefits, and then some thoughtful decisions.

        -------------------------------------------------
        Bruce Cockburn

        'Incandescent Blue'

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwD3iWrIQIs
        Last edited by moose eater; 01-26-2021, 18:10.

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          Originally posted by moose eater View Post
          So, 'Shake & Bake', or 'Slice & Dice'?
          A two headed coin would help.


          Go head first when you decide.
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          “The sun will eclipse soon unless you sacrifice the prince consort to the goddess of the moon.”
          Hans Bornefeld

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            Originally posted by buzzmobile View Post
            A two headed coin would help.
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            Go head first when you decide.
            Still waiting on a couple more answers from the radio-oncologist, then having a meeting of sorts to discuss the options with my wife and younger son.

            Shopping for short-term studio apartments near the hospital in Seattle (if radiation is done entirely there), OR short-term studio or 1-bedroom apartments in Los Anchorage, if it proves true that the external radiation component is really a non-issue, as to who does it, as the Doc down there stated.

            In which case he could do the scan for building seeds, and I would go back to him for the implanting of seeds, then get the longer term radiation in Anchorage, where I can likely save a fair bit of money on a studio or 1-bedroom apt., and drive home on week-ends.

            If surgery, then a 10-day stay at one of the convenient hotels close to the source.

            I'm skeptical when I hear someone say, "That part can be done anywhere." Sounds like famous last words, that fail to consider the continuum of care, professionalism, and capacity that most humans are represented on... and I've found that to be a fairly broad continuum, no matter the profession..

            We're on course, have the 2 Docs arranged, (surgeon and radio-dude), and need to make the final-final, then plan for necessities like housing at that point.

            But finding out what is available also figures in there, and I'm not about to spend a couple grand a month on a studio apt.

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              Last post... maybe for the duration.

              Thanks to folks who contributed time and information, personal experiences, care packages they brought in time of need, and more.

              I'll be furthering stabilizing the issues that arose from too many variable haunting me lately, the anxiety, inflammation, etc.

              For those who have beaten cancer, excellent!!

              For those contending with cancer, best of wishes, and I again apologize for my naivete' earlier, not realizing the nature of my cancer, versus other more aggressive cancers.

              Andyo's passing will be my most recent reminder that even the lesser cancers are nothing to mess with.

              I wish I'd taken my circumstances more seriously, back when I had a PSA of 4 or 6. We'll see what the various things I'm throwing at it do for the progress.

              Music has always been where I go to think, to process, sometimes when I was a very young kid, into adolescence, and later adulthood, I found mentoring, consolation, philosophy, and more. The posts f music are a way of sometimes communicating meaning, but they are also a gift to folks for posting in this thread..

              I'm headed back into more quiet, more music, and less interaction.

              Thanks for everything.

              I hadn't made extract in about 20 years, and that was done with passive evaporation in warmer months. I had little idea what folks were speaking about when they referenced decarboxylation; I now know what that is, and how to achieve it. Thank you for that, as that was initially my primary purpose in coming back. That and the first-hand knowledge f cancer treatment, outcomes, and things not found in generic studies form 1,000 clinics.

              Take care, and be kind.

              See you around.

              -------------------------------------------------------

              John Prine & Co.

              'That's the Way That the World Goes 'Round'

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPH0tXJ3Rug

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                https://youtu.be/ynYi6MWJcV0
                Stay positive
                Stay strong

                One of my favorite bands
                Life is sudden be ready

                dont count the days make the days count
                Legal medical patient

                _________
                “Make the most you can of the Indian hemp seed and sow it everywhere.” – George Washington
                "Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda, smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see." - Thomas Jefferson
                "Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch smoking a pipe of sweet hemp, and playing my Hohner harmonica.” – Abraham Lincoln

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                  Originally posted by moose eater View Post
                  Last post... maybe for the duration...

                  I'm headed back into more quiet, more music, and less interaction...

                  Thanks for everything.
                  These Days

                  Safe travels, moose eater.

                  Damned old SOOT!
                  “The sun will eclipse soon unless you sacrifice the prince consort to the goddess of the moon.”
                  Hans Bornefeld

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                    Originally posted by moose eater View Post
                    You comment re. Hydroxyzine is helpful. I've had a tight chest from the boxed wine and other things recently, that previously hadn't bothered me, but every and any new addition, from the sulfur issues in the lecithin, or the Rx antihistamine we're discussing, is potentially a suspect at this point.

                    If you don't already know beware that CBD could interact with other drugs.
                    CBD is metabolized by cytochrome P450 enzymes in the liver (inhibiting them), the same enzymes are responsible for the metabolization of 50-60% of other drugs, so other drugs could remain in circulation longer than expected.

                    https://thecbdinsider.com/knowledge-...-interactions/
                    https://www.healthline.com/health/cb...now#the-basics

                    Best wishes
                    Last edited by Galvano; 01-27-2021, 16:39.
                    «Or ti piaccia gradir la sua venuta:
                    libertà va cercando, ch'è sì cara,
                    come sa chi per lei vita rifiuta.»


                    In corso:
                    Dalla guerrilla di bosco al microbox

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                      Be bathed in the Light of Angels ME.
                      we'll wait for reward of your return.



                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smPFK9QLWrc
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                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VttZTYXMm6s


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                      "when i run outta weed, i smoke match sticks...
                      that first hit is FIRE!!!"


                      "I'm not always a dick...but when I am, I drink cheap beer".

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                        Saw palmetto is a species of palm used to produce a supplement that's packed with health benefits. Promising research shows that saw palmetto may help increase testosterone levels, improve prostate health, reduce inflammation, prevent hair loss, and enhance urinary tract function.

                        This is what Bodybuilders use when coming off cycle..Saw Palmetto

                        An extract of saw palmetto berries may block 5-alpha-reductase, an enzyme that converts testosterone to DHT.......Alot of men have testosterone that as the body gets older that it converts to DHT and DHT makes the prostate bigger as a byproduct and makes men lose their hair.

                        The DHT needs to be neutralized.As if you need to use excess testosterone to expell out of your system rather than straight to your prostate.

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                          Originally posted by TNTBudSticker View Post
                          Saw palmetto is a species of palm used to produce a supplement that's packed with health benefits. Promising research shows that saw palmetto may help increase testosterone levels, improve prostate health, reduce inflammation, prevent hair loss, and enhance urinary tract function.

                          This is what Bodybuilders use when coming off cycle..Saw Palmetto

                          An extract of saw palmetto berries may block 5-alpha-reductase, an enzyme that converts testosterone to DHT.......Alot of men have testosterone that as the body gets older that it converts to DHT and DHT makes the prostate bigger as a byproduct and makes men lose their hair.

                          The DHT needs to be neutralized.As if you need to use excess testosterone to expell out of your system rather than straight to your prostate.
                          Thank you, TNT.

                          I had been taking a prostate health complex for about a year, with saw palmetto, zinc, lycopene, pumpkin seed, and 'cran-max' for the urinary tract.

                          Earlier in the thread, buried deeply in the 4 months of writhing over the absence of any real concrete, solid control over state of affairs or outcomes at this point, I had cynically joked about (and may still actually do this), writing the company a somewhat satirical and humorous letter of confrontation. "Hey, I loyally ate your giant black Darth Vader death pills (they look huge, about a 1-gram gel cap, and are BLACK as black can be, thus, they were dubbed the Darth Vader Death pills), and I STILL got cancer. I'm disappointed in your product. Is there any chance of a refund.. like maybe 100 times what I paid you?? Because, no, it didn't work out really well..."

                          I haven't written that letter yet, as I'm getting back to something distantly resembling 'normal' (my head, heart, functions, etc.) and doing lots of reading, but when I do, I'll share their response with folks. Ought to be a hoot.

                          Thanks. And the fact is that there's no way of knowing how bad off I might be, had I not consumed their product.

                          Lots of circumstances where we don't really know what efficacy or benefit we gained from something, because we didn't take the path of not taking what ever it is/was.

                          Similar but a bit different as to how two persons with similar conditions seek the same treatments, and end up with very different outcomes, too.

                          Take care, and thank you.
                          Last edited by moose eater; 01-30-2021, 06:11.

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                            Originally posted by trichrider View Post
                            Be bathed in the Light of Angels ME.
                            we'll wait for reward of your return.



                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smPFK9QLWrc
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                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VttZTYXMm6s


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                            That was very kind, trich.

                            I can envision me 'entertaining' the patients in what ever room they stick me in for recovery (for what ever durations) being either thrilled or ready to harm me, for playing that loudly, but I'll enjoy that in time. Especially the Indian flute music with birds.

                            A South American, Chilean or similar wooden pan flute (all the wood 'pipes' laid side-by-side) is one of the many beautiful flute music pieces I have thoroughly enjoyed).

                            Thank you.

                            Take care.

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                              Originally posted by Galvano View Post
                              If you don't already know beware that CBD could interact with other drugs.
                              CBD is metabolized by cytochrome P450 enzymes in the liver (inhibiting them), the same enzymes are responsible for the metabolization of 50-60% of other drugs, so other drugs could remain in circulation longer than expected.

                              https://thecbdinsider.com/knowledge-...-interactions/
                              https://www.healthline.com/health/cb...now#the-basics

                              Best wishes
                              Thank you. I had read something similar, re. CBD potentially slowing the processing of some drugs through the liver, and wondered about a residual build-up. Your post echoes this.

                              I ceased the Hydroxyzine the other day (4-5 days ago), had one minor effort by the rash to reappear, and with a minor dose of 1% Hydrocortisone (light-weight, over-the-counter) cream, it tucked tail; hasn't recurred.

                              More irritating is the area on my right hand, where I poured the CBD and solvent concoction into the decanter, apparently thoroughly soaking my right hand for a sufficient duration of time, and scratching the bejesus out of it. 6-mil nitrile gloves next time, for sure.

                              I've contemplated that it might have been the perfect storm, and bears the results of both the effects of the suspect CBD in the solvent (and anything that might be on/in that), and the reaction that I assume came about from the antihistamine/sedative they gave me that's been quit since.

                              But your insight re. the possible issues with CBD are very helpful.

                              Unfortunately, I can't formally discuss this with any of my healthcare providers at this time; some due to indiscretions, and some due to clinic policies.

                              So reading is what we're doing a lot of these days, and I get really sleepy on a GOOD day, when I read a lot.

                              But thank you. Sincerely. I am intending to get to the links you shared. Soon.

                              Take care.
                              Last edited by moose eater; 01-30-2021, 06:13.

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                                Originally posted by buzzmobile View Post
                                These Days

                                Safe travels, moose eater.

                                Damned old SOOT!
                                That was the departing tune (Gregg Allman, Laid Back Lp, 'These Days') that played all night when I left SW Michigan under a bit of duress, in about 1976. We had a party at a friend's home in the ghetto, and that Lp played most of the night.

                                Later on, I would catch a ride at -53 f. in a 1958 Ford medium shorty school bus, named Maybelline (as in Chuck Berry's "Why can't you be true".. and it was appropriate, per later in this story) with a couple lads from Palmer Alaska, in front of what used to be McCrae's Truck Stop (now a Petro-Can station), about 7 miles south of Whitehorse, Yukon Territory, Canada, about 3 days before Christmas, 1977, headed back to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan by thumb, via Wisconsin and Minnesota, visiting along the way.

                                The young men from Palmer had that same Gregg Allman Lp, playing on cassette.

                                We kept warm with the wood stove installed in the bus, and the next day, when the pressure plate blew out, about 10-20 miles south of Teslin, Yukon Territory, we slowly parted paths... them finding a qp of Lumbo on-board they didn't realize they had, making the chocolate cake that one of their mom's had sent them on the road with, all that much tastier.

                                I learned to never wear tight leather hiking boots in the cold of arctic winter, no matter how good the hand-knitted wool socks were. Tight boots compress wool, and you WILL freeze your feet. And it does hurt badly, contrary to the nonsense some spew about that issue.

                                There's some SOOT in there, buzz. There truly is. Truly.

                                I found this the other day, and was blown away. Rural setting, rehearsal sessions in a sound studio that appears to be in the woods some where, with a cumulative or joint effort by members of the Jefferson Airplane, CSN&Y, Jerry Garcia, Joni Mitchell, and more. Things I've never heard before, and that left a mark.

                                Gerry Garcia & David Crosby

                                The Perro Sessions, 1971

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WELR...t_radio=1&t=68

                                Take care. And keep the fish frightened of you, but not so much they won't attack your lure.
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