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    #46
    Originally posted by armedoldhippy View Post
    shoot, just keep the very biggest buds & give the rest away. I think I could figure out how to stay under the limit on dried weed...
    It's still a game, and a rather dangerous one. It's all Catch 22.

    Possession outside the home is illegal & distribution of more than 1 oz is a felony, whether you sell it or give it away. Under an oz can get you a year in jail & a $10K fine. Maybe progressive penalties for repeat offenders.

    Dunno how their MMJ system works at all.

    With CO style legalization, there is no Catch 22. Yeh, there are rules, pretty clear & straightforward, easy to follow while being able to share & enjoy cannabis. Break 'em if you want, in which case the police state still applies.

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      #47
      Michigan pot laws r like a game of chess. (I grow out doors) the state will let u grow 12 plants (check) heaven help ya, if the weather gets bad, n u have to harvest all, or even 1 plants at a time because if u have over 2 1/2 oz. of drying weed, it's (check mate). go to jail. It's a big pot TRAP

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        #48
        Originally posted by Jhhnn View Post

        Your reading of the initiative is incorrect. Growers would have the right to hold whatever they produce, as in CO-

        http://regulatemarijuanainalaska.org/about/#summary
        No my reading of it isn't incorrect. It's 6 plants/ 1oz under the new initiative. Same limit as the MMJ laws. Read it again.
        "Its expensive as hell to hang out on these boards if you take anyones word on anything!" Whobdobub-2009

        "Im down to kick it... Just don't bring any pests with you! Coconutz-2014

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          #49
          Not a motherfuckin thing...I love CO.

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            #50
            Originally posted by Sam_Skunkman View Post
            What would happen if the 24 1 kilo plants were dry sifted or even water sifted as soon as could be and you give a way most and keep 100 grams for your self?, or bury 100 gram stashes all over off property and dig them up one at a time.
            It can't be hard to beat the system, they do not understand Cannabis, you do.....
            -SamS
            The last thing you want to do in Alaska is mess around making hash or concentrates with your bud and possessing more than 3g. Anything over 3 grams and they go after you exactly like if you had heroin.
            "Its expensive as hell to hang out on these boards if you take anyones word on anything!" Whobdobub-2009

            "Im down to kick it... Just don't bring any pests with you! Coconutz-2014

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              #51
              Originally posted by D. B. Doober View Post
              I wonder what kind of buds gw pharmaceuticals produces. I want to be a weed spy and find out. What if it's like 60% thc?
              Originally posted by Sam_Skunkman View Post
              -SamS

              I heard sam had a hand in either providing the seeds or helped created the strain I can't really remember tbh
              (sorry sam if I'm wrong but my memory is saying you had something to do with it again I could be totally wrong)

              Anyway I'm pretty sure I heard gw saying his weed was a 1/1 thc/cbd strain

              I could be totally wrong

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                #52
                Originally posted by stoned40yrs View Post
                No my reading of it isn't incorrect. It's 6 plants/ 1oz under the new initiative. Same limit as the MMJ laws. Read it again.
                This is the part I referenced-

                Makes possession of up to one ounce of marijuana and up to six plants (three flowering) legal for adults 21 years of age or older. It also allows adults to possess the marijuana produced by the plants on the premises where the plants are grown. - See more at: http://regulatemarijuanainalaska.org/about/#summary
                There's no limit on in home possession of whatever you grow from you allotment of plants, just like CO. The walking around possession limit is 1 oz, as you say.

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by Jhhnn View Post
                  This is the part I referenced-



                  There's no limit on in home possession of whatever you grow from you allotment of plants, just like CO. The walking around possession limit is 1 oz, as you say.
                  And in Alaska are there limits on making hash out of the plants you legally grew and kept at home, if you keep the hash at home?
                  -SamS

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by Sam_Skunkman View Post
                    And in Alaska are there limits on making hash out of the plants you legally grew and kept at home, if you keep the hash at home?
                    -SamS
                    What I know about current Alaska law mostly comes from here-

                    http://norml.org/laws/item/alaska-penalties

                    This is the site where you can access the current ballot initiative-

                    http://regulatemarijuanainalaska.org/about/#summary

                    I haven't really studied it, but if it's like A64 wrt concentrates, you can make your own & keep them at home, carry up to an ounce in public. The caveat here is that you had to grow the plants or carry home the cannabis 1oz at a time. That last part may be a little grey, subject to interpretation by ball breakers, not sure.

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                      #55
                      I just took a look at their medical statutes, and while I'm not a lawyer, it looks to me like they classify concentrates differently than they do marijuana, and they don't really specify it. The statutes clearly state the word marijuana numerous times as opposed to any references to hashish or hashish oil. And in the non-medical statutes it absolutely classifies hashish and oil separately from marijuana. So it looks like the only way to answer the question would be to know what the State of Alaska's technical definition of "marijuana" is.


                      hush's hidey hole

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by shaggyballs View Post
                        If you live in a Legal Cannabis State, and are unhappy please post here!

                        If your state has voted to legalize cannabis please tell us the about the problems you are currently facing.

                        How could thing have been done better?
                        Thanks
                        Shag
                        I'm certainly not "unhappy"


                        Hindsight is always 20/20. There is always room for improvement.

                        Most folks who take advantage of the right to grow here (and who follow the laws, even loosely) do so without any problems.

                        "Better" is a subjective/individual opinion. With the right to grow and GIFT weed here without penalty, I personally think it would have been "better" to start with the right to grow/possess at home, encourage gifting, and actually increase the penalties for SALES across the board and see where that went rather than to instantly go from "illegal" to "now at your corner dispensary/hockster's store for $400 an oz and TAXED HEAVILY by your friends at the State".

                        But it is what it is. I really don't give a shit what the clowns in the retail of all of this do. I'm not buying and will never buy their product. End of story.

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by monsoon View Post
                          I'm certainly not "unhappy"


                          Hindsight is always 20/20. There is always room for improvement.

                          Most folks who take advantage of the right to grow here (and who follow the laws, even loosely) do so without any problems.

                          "Better" is a subjective/individual opinion. With the right to grow and GIFT weed here without penalty, I personally think it would have been "better" to start with the right to grow/possess at home, encourage gifting, and actually increase the penalties for SALES across the board and see where that went rather than to instantly go from "illegal" to "now at your corner dispensary/hockster's store for $400 an oz and TAXED HEAVILY by your friends at the State".

                          But it is what it is. I really don't give a shit what the clowns in the retail of all of this do. I'm not buying and will never buy their product. End of story.
                          I don't support the idea of jail for any growers, in general. Well, maybe those whose product contains high levels of harmful chemicals or licensed commercial growers who divert product into other (illegal) markets. The latter accept the responsibility & protection of the Law in ways that underground growers don't. Within the current legalization model, simply having too many plants should be a civil rather than a criminal matter. If they confiscate an offending party's grow stuff & hit 'em with a court appearance & fine appropriate to their means, that should be enough. That's if a person accepts the current model at all.

                          I bought some retail early on, to show solidarity & to show that I was there, framed the receipt. Retail must exist if we're to have full circle inclusive legalization, if everybody is to have access to cannabis. Personal growing provisions must exist if we're to keep that honest at all. I'll get a bug up my ass & buy eighths from time to time, I'm sure.

                          As a recent returnee, my experience with modern cannabis is shallow, my connections to the larger community few in number. OTOH, I want to experience the breadth & depth of what's available in the years I have left. Retail lets me do that w/o playing the med card game. If nothing else, it lets me see what I do & don't like, adjust seed acquisitions accordingly.

                          Current pricing is another matter entirely, but I don't see how that can possibly endure.

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by Sam_Skunkman View Post
                            And in Alaska are there limits on making hash out of the plants you legally grew and kept at home, if you keep the hash at home?
                            -SamS
                            Like I said, Alaska treats hash and concentrates over 3 grams like heroin and it doesn't matter if you are buying, growing under the 24 plant/QP laws or the MM 6plant/1oz rule. Hash arrests are rare because it is so rare here. There are occasional hash oil arrests. Practically nobody even knows what BHO or shatter is. Hash/Concentrates are deemed too risky legally for most people. Flowers rule. Maybe that will change in November.
                            "Its expensive as hell to hang out on these boards if you take anyones word on anything!" Whobdobub-2009

                            "Im down to kick it... Just don't bring any pests with you! Coconutz-2014

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                              #59
                              Has anyone heard of instances where anyone has had issues/been charged with going over the allowed 3/3?

                              It could happen bbut I personally have yet to hear about it. (as we did with the med laws over 10 years ago) Thing is, more than likely it'll be via some "other" incident...domestic violence, disorderly conduct, someone burglarizes your home (this is how I ended up with em in my garden at one point), etc. Unless you have many. many plants and a scale and lotsa traffic, the chances/odds of them coming to see if you are in compliance is nil.

                              To each their own regarding the buying of retail weed. Just keep in the back of your mind that IF our grow rights are challenged, these business owners with only PROFIT in mind are the ones who will hold, cock, and load the gun that will be aimed at ALL home growers. If you support them, you are doing so without thought of >how this all works<. (the bigger players call the shots)

                              With home grows everywhere, access to cannabis WITHOUT A RETAIL SCHEME IN PLACE would never be a serious problem...just as it has never been a problem in the past (OK, sans the Summer of 90..which was incredibly dry and THE reason I started growing in late 1990 and have never stopped).

                              but as you say, you are new to all of this...so I can see where those in such situations might have a semi-tough time finding a hook...for a millesecond or so....LOL.

                              It's amazing to think how ANY of these folks would have made it in the 70's-80's-90's when you actually had to have a brain to score pot.....much less grow pot.

                              Whereas over history, the growers were responsible for the cost of weed (due to RISK), the STATE is now the entity responsible for street pricing via this retail/tax scheme. In the end, what could have been valued here much like other produce retains it's "illegal" price point.

                              And they wonder why folks grow more than they should? LOL.

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by monsoon View Post
                                Has anyone heard of instances where anyone has had issues/been charged with going over the allowed 3/3?

                                It could happen bbut I personally have yet to hear about it. (as we did with the med laws over 10 years ago) Thing is, more than likely it'll be via some "other" incident...domestic violence, disorderly conduct, someone burglarizes your home (this is how I ended up with em in my garden at one point), etc. Unless you have many. many plants and a scale and lotsa traffic, the chances/odds of them coming to see if you are in compliance is nil.

                                To each their own regarding the buying of retail weed. Just keep in the back of your mind that IF our grow rights are challenged, these business owners with only PROFIT in mind are the ones who will hold, cock, and load the gun that will be aimed at ALL home growers. If you support them, you are doing so without thought of >how this all works<. (the bigger players call the shots)

                                With home grows everywhere, access to cannabis WITHOUT A RETAIL SCHEME IN PLACE would never be a serious problem...just as it has never been a problem in the past (OK, sans the Summer of 90..which was incredibly dry and THE reason I started growing in late 1990 and have never stopped).

                                but as you say, you are new to all of this...so I can see where those in such situations might have a semi-tough time finding a hook...for a millesecond or so....LOL.

                                It's amazing to think how ANY of these folks would have made it in the 70's-80's-90's when you actually had to have a brain to score pot.....much less grow pot.

                                Whereas over history, the growers were responsible for the cost of weed (due to RISK), the STATE is now the entity responsible for street pricing via this retail/tax scheme. In the end, what could have been valued here much like other produce retains it's "illegal" price point.

                                And they wonder why folks grow more than they should? LOL.
                                As you say, I haven't heard or read of any busts wrt plant counts. I haven't heard of any wrt outdoor growing, either. Adhering to the plant counts serves our purposes entirely, so we see no reason to take any chances.

                                As you say, something else needs to go wrong before the cops are even interested. As much as anybody else, they seem to realize that the rules have changed & that's because the people wanted them to change. They don't have the tools to figure out how many plants a person might have even if they know a person has some. In that, they're powerless. The usual precautions still apply- odor control, never show anybody your grow if it's illegal. My spouse is more open about that last part than I would be on my own, but it's really not a big deal because the numbers are always right, period.

                                There are no credible threats to Coloradans' grow rights at the present time, nor likely in the future, either. A64 is part of the State Constitution, above the level where the legislature can alter it. It's also quite specific, leaving little wiggle room. There's no backlash, either, at least not enough to mount a petition, obtain signatures, get a reversal measure on the ballot that people might vote for. Personal grow rights are locked in at the highest possible State level, *part of the system*, like the right to free speech.

                                The retail scheme demands State participation in legalization, actually putting them on our side. It also brings in the business community beyond growers per se- leasing, security, accounting, marketing, packaging, you name it. It's not about personal growers much at all. From that perspective, we're just a little sideshow & an anchor to reality, an alternative for the capable few who don't want to spend a lot to enjoy cannabis. Retail gets all the fanfare & attention, which is fine by me.

                                Retail also puts a whole different spin on weed acquisition. Nobody has to hook up, they just have to google it up on their phone. The environment is entirely different, more appealing to a lot of people. I read a piece about a retailer whose security guards walk female customers to their cars. I also think we'll see less overt security as this unfolds, becomes just another part of the everyday. The record keeping for retailer/customer relations is changing away from the MMJ system, as well, becoming the way it is at the liquor store. If you're old enough, showing ID is just pro forma, a necessary protection for the business.

                                I don't expect retail pricing to hold up, not for long, anyway. It becomes a lot more competitive for producers come Oct 1. The old MMJ vertical integration model disappears. That's huge, whether people realize it or not. I expect retail weed to be cheap & plentiful, growers & processors eager to sell to retailers at much lower margin than at present. If one won't, then other ones will, bet on it.

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