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    #46
    Originally posted by DunHav`nFun View Post
    Hell BE.....Start a thread here in Vertville......Yields increase with environment dialed first , then comes all the added tweaks that make the difference.....Don`t post much anymore but I`m around , and .....

    Loudog`s got a thread in Grow Diaries he just kicked off with 4000 + watts of bare bulbs hangin growin bigger plants , and I`m sure Hayday and Aero can provide input as well to help up your game on the LED side if needed......Me ?.....I`m hangin out on my bucket learnin new shit .......Yall take care and......

    Peace.....DHF.........
    Roger that. Let me start figuring out how I want to put it together

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      #47
      The best outlook on vert LEDs I have is run your own seeds. Make your selection of large plants and cross them to other large plants.
      I am willing to bet most comercial breeders don't run, large stretchy plants when they select seed parents so I'm fond of breeding my own seed from the selection of my choosing.
      My BOG Sour Strawberry was a short plant that I crossed to a giant BC Roadkill female.It came out with size and the sour strawberry aroma i was after.
      The light itself is a pretty simple tool.LEDs let me get closer and run cooler, not much else changes imo
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        #48
        Originally posted by hayday View Post
        Yo Fred, each light is 120 watts with 220 pieces of 301b samsung. They cost about a buck and a quarter each when I got them. Thats a little high but no more hps to buy every six months to a year. I was having trouble with that.I would be stoked if you took a bit of advice from me and put that hps in a box and got some LEDs. These HLG Sabers are about the only one that fit our needs as far as production lights go.Everything is made for flat tent grows and vert growin make better use of space as we know.
        Y'all be good
        I was a diehard hid guy when the tech was older and less efficient/ effective. Then, I saw the results from guys like you and Uncle that blew mind! With the 600w Lumatek (bare bulb vert) I'd max out at maybe .72-.75 gpw, but all plants still looked super healthy. I forget exactly what my yield this year was, but it broke every record I kept. Well over gpw, another: first time I grew a pound in one grow. The nugs are rock solid and frosty. The quality and quantity was flat out better, practically incomparable. So, the 600 has been in the Rubbermaid ever since.

        Whether you buy (I'd also suggest HLG, excellent value for the money) or DIY, you won't be dissatisfied with your investment. The DIY route is much simpler than you'd imagine, and super effective as well. It also saves you some coin while you dial them in and get accustomed to using them. Not to mention, there aren't really any commercially available vert compatible fixtures, aside from the Sabers Hayday mentioned.
        Hammerhead's Flashbang- C x Firestorm #18 test grow

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          #49
          Originally posted by OrgAeroMan View Post
          I was a diehard hid guy when the tech was older and less efficient/ effective. Then, I saw the results from guys like you and Uncle that blew mind! With the 600w Lumatek (bare bulb vert) I'd max out at maybe .72-.75 gpw, but all plants still looked super healthy. I forget exactly what my yield this year was, but it broke every record I kept. Well over gpw, another: first time I grew a pound in one grow. The nugs are rock solid and frosty. The quality and quantity was flat out better, practically incomparable. So, the 600 has been in the Rubbermaid ever since.

          Whether you buy (I'd also suggest HLG, excellent value for the money) or DIY, you won't be dissatisfied with your investment. The DIY route is much simpler than you'd imagine, and super effective as well. It also saves you some coin while you dial them in and get accustomed to using them. Not to mention, there aren't really any commercially available vert compatible fixtures, aside from the Sabers Hayday mentioned.
          This is where I'm at right now. Similar gpw, too. My attraction would be considerably less power consumption and almost no AC use. I run the 315 CMHs now, so the heat isn't nearly as bad as HPS, but still.

          Gonna have to put a parts list together and convert one of my 3 rooms over and see how things roll.

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            #50
            Happy Thanksgiving Day to all.....Sittin outside at the farm tendin Turkeys and Hams on the smoker and been thinkin more about this LED thing......I guess where I`m at is to figure out how many watts are needed in 2 strip lights to be at the equivalent of up to 50 watts per sq ft HPS that I`m used to as far as quality of end product......

            My lil cubbyhole headies setup`s under my basement stairs is at best 18 sq ft , so with the exhaust scrubber combo up top and then 2 strip lights under that for a flat grow , or I`d need 4 like Hayday`s got to do vert and I`d need somewhere else to veg the bitches to a height the vertically hung strips are useful or else the light sideways is wasted on zero plant matter , so to say the least I`m conflicted......and on top of all that......

            I`m a tight `ol bastard and see no return on investment to buy all this shit and set it it up , so there`s really no incentive to change from my 600 watter HPS eye horti bulbs , but I`m down to my last new bulb and either deal with the heatgain and buy new bulbs in another yr , or bite the bullet and figure this shit out and be done with it.....that said......

            50,000 hrs of use from LED`s compared to HPS is laughable at best , but losing the heatgain is paramount where I live so I`m gonna do 2 strips horizontal instead of 4 strips vertical cuz it`s not for production , and just run more smaller plants underneath to max out yield potential......but now......

            Who can tell my old ass what size strips for this area ?......Icky says 2 of his 245 watt units that`re 40" long will do the trick , but my walls could stand a full 48" fixture as long as 2 of em add up to proper watts per sq ft comparable to my eye horti bulbs......what actual wattage from the wall for 2 fixtures adds up to 900 watts HPS....?.....anyways......

            That Mars 3000 has like 952 diodes for a total of only 295 watts I think , and it says 2 of those cover a 5 x 5 area that closely resembles my footprint , but my old ass ain`t payin 800 bucks for a headies setup , but at even 500 bucks just to lose heatgain and still not sure about losing wattage AND yield.......so again.....

            Things and thoughts to ponder.....AND.....Any and all help`s greatly appreciated since I really don`t haveta have new shit , but if it performs comparably then I`m down.....Thanks again and......

            Peace.....DHF............
            Knowledge is power.....Adapt or perish....

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              #51
              here ya go fred. you can hang these flat or vert ala wall of weed.I bought two of these 4 packs...
              https://horticulturelightinggroup.co...5abaff34&_ss=r
              The driver is like $60.00 buck so for 2 bills you get 280 watts of the good stuff.
              Best deal around...
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                #52
                Look at the hlg QB 96 might work better for a horizontal grow

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                  #53
                  What are the dimensions of the room? There are many options for DIY either flat or vert. You can usually get away with 1/3-1/2 less wattage with the same, but usually better, results in terms of yield and quality. I guess the strips would be more versatile, if you wanted to play around with their orientation. QBs are more for flat grows, either below the light or vert wall of green. Either way, once you get them dialed, the results are amazing. They quickly pay for themselves, so you won't be bummed you made the switch. They aren't the power lacking L.E.D.s of yesteryear, but truly high performance lighting that either rivals or surpasses HID capabilities with half the heat and cost.
                  Hammerhead's Flashbang- C x Firestorm #18 test grow

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                    #54
                    I'm up at the country house working on my place but here is what I'm going to use for backlighting in the outside corners of two donuts. I have two of these units I recommended to Fred in my house now. They've been awsome for about a year now.
                    I set this one up for a work light while I work on the new spot.The rig y'all see here is about a$130.00 but its half an order from the link above.
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                      #55
                      Originally posted by OrgAeroMan View Post
                      I was a diehard hid guy when the tech was older and less efficient/ effective. Then, I saw the results from guys like you and Uncle that blew mind! With the 600w Lumatek (bare bulb vert) I'd max out at maybe .72-.75 gpw, but all plants still looked super healthy. I forget exactly what my yield this year was, but it broke every record I kept. Well over gpw, another: first time I grew a pound in one grow. The nugs are rock solid and frosty. The quality and quantity was flat out better, practically incomparable. So, the 600 has been in the Rubbermaid ever since.

                      Whether you buy (I'd also suggest HLG, excellent value for the money) or DIY, you won't be dissatisfied with your investment. The DIY route is much simpler than you'd imagine, and super effective as well. It also saves you some coin while you dial them in and get accustomed to using them. Not to mention, there aren't really any commercially available vert compatible fixtures, aside from the Sabers Hayday mentioned.
                      You're making this super tempting! I can DIY them but I just don't understand enough about it to create a parts list. Many more questions than answers and for me, it's tough as it's a 3 room perpetual setup.

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by hayday View Post
                        I'm up at the country house working on my place but here is what I'm going to use for backlighting in the outside corners of two donuts. I have two of these units I recommended to Fred in my house now. They've been awsome for about a year now.
                        I set this one up for a work light while I work on the new spot.The rig y'all see here is about a$130.00 but its half an order from the link above.
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                        I think you just gave me a solution as to how to testbed/integrate these!

                        Because I'm rocking donuts, there's always minimal lighting on the backside.

                        Love this place

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                          #57
                          All HLG Gear is 20% Off until the 30th for those that don't know
                          https://horticulturelightinggroup.com

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                            #58
                            Thanks Hayday , been contemplating while scratchin head and ass over what to go with , so I did some more homework.....Seems that the more diodes/pcs per fixture that produces X amount of light , the less work each diode hasta perform to produce said light , thus extending equipment life.....so.....

                            It looks to be those Mars Hydro SP 300 watt strips have 952 diodes in each 1 but the damn things are 400 bucks and I need 2 according to all I read for my lil closet area of 20 sq ft +/-....that said.....The cheapest route is 2-245 watt strips for 500 bucks , and they`re made up of Samsung 301 chips with meanwell drivers but only 1/2 the diodes/chips with no far red chips and not real sure how much difference it makes with or without , so there you go.....the X factors.....anyways.....

                            Thanks for all the input guys , and I just gotta bite the bullet and do it........Maybe after Christmas.....time will tell.....Take care and......

                            Peace....DHF...........
                            Knowledge is power.....Adapt or perish....

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by hayday View Post
                              I'm up at the country house working on my place but here is what I'm going to use for backlighting in the outside corners of two donuts. I have two of these units I recommended to Fred in my house now. They've been awsome for about a year now.
                              I set this one up for a work light while I work on the new spot.The rig y'all see here is about a$130.00 but its half an order from the link above.
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                              any further with this bruda

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                                #60
                                Lol, nope, Santas bringing insulation and sheetrock.
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