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    #46
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      #47
      I love blumats
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        #48
        Could run the spyder deep near base as shown.

        Bluemats on top.
        Sat on a perlite bed for flower justincase so can fill n drink if goin mental?

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          #49
          the bed of perlite will come in handy if you get a runaway dripper to catch any flooding before it hits the floor.

          also, most people use an overflow so their SIP doesn't get too full. i have one on my hand watered SIPs and the autopot design keeps the level perfect with no issues.
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            #50
            Originally posted by thailer View Post
            the bed of perlite will come in handy if you get a runaway dripper to catch any flooding before it hits the floor.

            also, most people use an overflow so their SIP doesn't get too full. i have one on my hand watered SIPs and the autopot design keeps the level perfect with no issues.

            Where did the dudes overwatering issue come from that killed his plants i was reading usibg sip?
            The topup valve keeping cobstant level?
            So bettwr to fill it every week n let it dry out leaving bluemats top feeding abd fill base again?

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              #51
              Originally posted by Bio boy View Post
              Where did the dudes overwatering issue come from that killed his plants i was reading usibg sip?
              The topup valve keeping cobstant level?
              So bettwr to fill it every week n let it dry out leaving bluemats top feeding abd fill base again?
              Moses, the one you're speaking of, does not use an overflow because i think i did not mention it or he did not see it in the original instructions i posted in my grow log Thai's Blooper Reel, a long time ago when i first posted about making mine. he made one like it but it didn't get an overflow hole so when he hand waters, he looks to see how much to add. sometimes, rarely he has added too much water and the plant dies or maybe it was due to rain? i forget.

              i would choose either blumats or SIPs. Both seem overkill to me. i have a couple friends who do blumats and they use a tray underneath because their foot depth beds sometimes need water added about once a week by hand due to the blumats not fully saturating all the soil but they also like to use teas and KNF stuff so it works out really well for them. maybe others have a different experience, i've never used blumats. they can rarely have a runaway dripper i've heard but i don't know how often or to what extent the water drips.

              with sips you can't really add teas or fertilizers because the run off goes down into the reservoir which can cause rot or other problems so it has ran best in mine and moses' experience as strict water only with top dress of fertilizer, microbes, compost mulches.

              but i think adding some sort of irrigation system is going to give you the best chance of getting a high yield that is comparable in size to your coco plants.
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                #52
                I think blumats are pretty cool. I havent used them before because it seems hard to do on a large scale. I just need too many emitters to completely cover the area. But i used this sensor that was basically a blumat to run an irrigation system. It looks and works just like a blumat but it plugs into an irrigation controller. It worked pretty well. A little carrot with a wire attached.

                The thing about top feeding is emitters have to be close enough together so there aren't dry spots. Emitter line does better coverage then single emitters. Something u don't really have to worry about with sip.

                Thailer: how well does compost wick compared to peat or coco? You said you do compost mulch. How moist does the compost get?

                How effective is top dressing? When i top dress with my drip systems, i always hand water it down a little. With most drip systems it's a real slow drip. Like less then 1/2 gallon an hour and it wicks like an sip just in the other direction. Even though the direction it's wicking for me is down, its not really enough. The drip is just a little too slow and I need to just spray the top a little too force it down a bit. Do u do the same thing? Or are your roots just growing into it because you are top dressing under the mulch layer?

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by CrushnYuba View Post
                  I think blumats are pretty cool. I havent used them before because it seems hard to do on a large scale. I just need too many emitters to completely cover the area. But i used this sensor that was basically a blumat to run an irrigation system. It looks and works just like a blumat but it plugs into an irrigation controller. It worked pretty well. A little carrot with a wire attached.

                  The thing about top feeding is emitters have to be close enough together so there aren't dry spots. Emitter line does better coverage then single emitters. Something u don't really have to worry about with sip.

                  Thailer: how well does compost wick compared to peat or coco? You said you do compost mulch. How moist does the compost get?

                  How effective is top dressing? When i top dress with my drip systems, i always hand water it down a little. With most drip systems it's a real slow drip. Like less then 1/2 gallon an hour and it wicks like an sip just in the other direction. Even though the direction it's wicking for me is down, its not really enough. The drip is just a little too slow and I need to just spray the top a little too force it down a bit. Do u do the same thing? Or are your roots just growing into it because you are top dressing under the mulch layer?
                  i haven't really tested out the differences but compost is probably not as good at wicking as coco or peat.

                  i think top dressing is most effective if you work it into the first six-ish inches of pre-existing soil. when i was just sprinkling it on top or adding it to compost as a mulch, it was not as effective or immediately noticeable as when i got it worked down and spread around at root level. if i did a top dress of fertilizer it is just because i have vegged out a big plant over 3-4 months and it is showing signs of yellowing. honestly it tends to give me the green claw leaves, even trying lightly so i really aim to not over veg plants so i don't even have to.

                  IIRC theres a podcast interview of Microbeman on the KIS podcast where they're both discussing low till and top dressing so the roots can easily access the fertilizer and by not disturbing the soil, it makes it harder for feeder roots to get the fertilizers in no till?? i hope i remember that correctly.
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                    #54
                    Originally posted by thailer View Post
                    IIRC theres a podcast interview of Microbeman on the KIS podcast where they're both discussing low till and top dressing so the roots can easily access the fertilizer and by not disturbing the soil, it makes it harder for feeder roots to get the fertilizers in no till?? i hope i remember that correctly.
                    That makes sense to me. Some things I've used to top dress have turned into a crust, so now I mix my top dressing with some ewc and fresh soil first, and then apply it. Kind of like a hot soil mix. I think it helps keep everything in the top dress somewhat moist so it breaks down readily, and as you point to, you're not disturbing the root system.
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                      #55
                      Originally posted by Fitzera View Post
                      That makes sense to me. Some things I've used to top dress have turned into a crust, so now I mix my top dressing with some ewc and fresh soil first, and then apply it. Kind of like a hot soil mix. I think it helps keep everything in the top dress somewhat moist so it breaks down readily, and as you point to, you're not disturbing the root system.
                      no i want to disturb the root system. i mean not really but i want to get down deep with my fertilizers so feeder roots have access to it. all during veg of course. that is what they were talking about. they were saying how no till systems and the reamending process wasn't in their opinion as good as a low till approach. i don't want to put words in their mouth and this is how i remember it.
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                        #56
                        To give feeder roots more access to the top dressing I highly suggest mulch.

                        For instance if you would feed some manure, have a layer of straw over it. Like if someone would always have straw mulch over soil, lift straw and top dress on top over the soil and let the straw cover the dressing and soil again. Water then.. Voila! Total access..
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                          #57
                          Blend it up? I saw that adding stalks in beginning by flower worms ate em all under a topdress gone. Then guy puts the leaves everywhere and covers in ewc and its banging lol?
                          So toplayer must be avalible due to worms if ita kept wet so it can mould

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by thailer View Post
                            no i want to disturb the root system. i mean not really but i want to get down deep with my fertilizers so feeder roots have access to it. all during veg of course. that is what they were talking about. they were saying how no till systems and the reamending process wasn't in their opinion as good as a low till approach. i don't want to put words in their mouth and this is how i remember it.
                            My mistake, I read that backwards

                            But in my example, I would imagine the feeder roots grow into the top dress as its not just dry amendments but a soil mix. But I understand now what you're trying to accomplish.
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